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Time for bed.  Too much posting already for a day
I see a total post counter of 15 ..
Makes me lol :)

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Sorry i just dont really care if someone is good or trusted if they make me money i only care about that.  If you want something else you are a sucker.  Sorry if it sounds mean.  Dont be a sucker.
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Um...thanks to newmine I have my eyes on that thread too (though he is incorrect that it has the exact same purpose).   Sorry if people think this is a waste of time.  This is actually proving pretty helpful to me.     ::)

Sorry i just dont really care if someone is good or trusted if they make me money i only care about that.  If you want something else you are a sucker.  Sorry if it sounds mean.  Dont be a sucker.

Time for bed.  Too much posting already for a day

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Um...thanks to newmine I have my eyes on that thread too (though he is incorrect that it has the exact same purpose).   Sorry if people think this is a waste of time.  This is actually proving pretty helpful to me.     ::)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2014, 07:41:26 am by fuzzy »
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Newmine is my choose!  Who care if people do nice things?  Its all about the dollars! If they do free they are stupid.

He is nice because he knows the truth. 

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If this isn't one of the biggest circle jerks I've seen....

This is already being done here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7338.0


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Why?  Because this metric does not (necessarily) distinguish those members of the community who are working hard on helping from those who are simply attempting to increase their post-count in order to receive recognition.  Sure, post count matters (to a very small degree)...but what matters most is the community recognizing individuals who have given their own unique skills as gifts...in ways that are difficult to quantify.   
I fully agree with you here ... if you take a look into my posts (not all of them probably) you will certainly find plenty of "+5%"-only posts :)
Although showing agreement is worth something .. it's probably not worth much in comparison to other posts!

IMHO, this forum is just a subset of people working on and for BitShares and as such the topic should be renamed to account for that:

- BitSharesTalk Support TaskForce
- BitSharesTalk Selfless Supporters

And then there is the issue of "selfless" ... are you people sure I am not doing all of this for a reason?
Let me give some examples:
 - I may want to stay delegate for as long as possible and tell people to vote for me when they received support?!
 - I may want to connect to the community to establish trust so I can scam you all one day
 - I may have invested plenty of money and want it to grow beyond pluto
 - I may want to establish trust in order to gain power in the community?
 - I may want to have as much influence on people as possible?
 - I may want to .... fill in dr. evil's plans

Just saying .. none of the above might be true .. although a subset or all of it could be?! Couldn't it?

Maybe we skip "selfless", as difficult to know-for-sure and go over to

- BitSharesTalk Support TaskForce


Done...and now I have my eye on you ;)

All joking aside, though, in the case of you and a great many people who have been here from the beginning...most of us didn't even know there were going to be delegates until maybe 4-5 months into it?  I do get your point though, and greatly appreciate the input. 
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Why?  Because this metric does not (necessarily) distinguish those members of the community who are working hard on helping from those who are simply attempting to increase their post-count in order to receive recognition.  Sure, post count matters (to a very small degree)...but what matters most is the community recognizing individuals who have given their own unique skills as gifts...in ways that are difficult to quantify.   
I fully agree with you here ... if you take a look into my posts (not all of them probably) you will certainly find plenty of "+5%"-only posts :)
Although showing agreement is worth something .. it's probably not worth much in comparison to other posts!

IMHO, this forum is just a subset of people working on and for BitShares and as such the topic should be renamed to account for that:

- BitSharesTalk Support TaskForce
- BitSharesTalk Selfless Supporters

And then there is the issue of "selfless" ... are you people sure I am not doing all of this for a reason?
Let me give some examples:
 - I may want to stay delegate for as long as possible and tell people to vote for me when they received support?!
 - I may want to connect to the community to establish trust so I can scam you all one day
 - I may have invested plenty of money and want it to grow beyond pluto
 - I may want to establish trust in order to gain power in the community?
 - I may want to have as much influence on people as possible?
 - I may want to .... fill in dr. evil's plans

Just saying .. none of the above might be true .. although a subset or all of it could be?! Couldn't it?

Maybe we skip "selfless", as difficult to know-for-sure and go over to

- BitSharesTalk Support TaskForce

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Just to note, I do not think it is coincidental that my impression of those who contribute most to the forum here, are among those doing most to help support what BitShares is.

A list of those with most posts, show few surprises. I will adopt xeroc's inability to count to five and suggest kudos to all these:
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bytemaster
xeroc
toast
tonyk
liondani
Riverhead
cass
luckybit
BTS熊
testz
delulo
ripplexiaoshan
fuzzy
Stan
gamey
alt
CLains
sfinder
sudo
donkeypong
emski
Empirical1
onceuponatime
Amazon
bitmeat
Overthetop
barwizi
HackFisher
gyhy
merockstar
mf-tzo
MeTHoDx
FreeTrade
ebit
heyD
eagleeye
Mars.Walker
Snail
00091lacer
GaltReport
bitcoinerS
coolspeed
biophil
logxing
puppies
+ 80%


I wonder are there dev's who do more work that talk, that also need special mention?..

I am personally not a big fan of this metric...

Why?  Because this metric does not (necessarily) distinguish those members of the community who are working hard on helping from those who are simply attempting to increase their post-count in order to receive recognition.  Sure, post count matters (to a very small degree)...but what matters most is the community recognizing individuals who have given their own unique skills as gifts...in ways that are difficult to quantify.   

The Human Element here is what I am attempting to capture--the simple acts of kindness that show a passion for helping others using skill sets unique to ourselves.  We ALL have value...I am looking for those who have chosen time and again to use those unique skill sets to benefit others without ever seeking compensation.  In a world where we want everything to be quantifiable...this is, perhaps, the most difficult to ascertain from simple forum post counts.  This is why I need the community to help me construct a list of these individuals!

Please continue recognizing these individuals! 
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 09:38:57 am by fuzzy »
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Happy to see the effort getting steam!

I've thought about how to handle delegates some more, and I came to the conclusion that the risk of collusion isn't as great as I feared. Once I realised that delegates should be seen more as employees, rather than leaders/VIPs, my paranoia about the whole thing devolving into a political shitshow has been alleviated. Stakeholders will vote for people who do their job (and it's quite easy to prove that you have done your job in a transparent manner in crypto), and they'll ignore people who cause drama to gain attention and support, and they will most DEFINITELY instantly throw out anyone who is proven to be dishonest. Because of this I don't see the need to be a first mover in politicizing the process (or collude to avoid others colluding as it would be), and my initial thoughts that maintaining neutrality will be impossible in the long run might be mistaken.

I still think you should be funded directly by the DAC. No need to gather donations when you are doing work that is easily quantifiable and can easily be proven to be profitable for the DAC. Like I said, I'd be willing to loan as much as you need to fund the effort now, and once BTS is set up, you can just announce with your delegate applications that your pay rate is higher to pay back a loan, and once its paid back you can simply decrease the pay rate to your normal pay rate, as long as we do it transparently, I don't think it will cause any controversy. I'll be willing to take on the risk that you don't get elected delegates - I don't think theres ANY chance the DAC will choose not to pay for community management and stakeholder communication. If the DAC is dumb enough to think that we don't need paid people to handle these things then my loan can be considered a donation.

IMO everyone who is in this who are currently working a job that isn't highly specialized or highly paid, your skills will be put to better use working full time for the DAC because you are one of the few people in the world who actually understand what this thing is and that makes every second you're working for the DAC much more valuable than working for anything else.

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 +5%

Riverhead (from my experience, he has been willing to help explain the technical side on a deeper level for someone I was trying to teach about bitshares)

Can anyone else tell me if this stranger has done other awesome things that would make him fit well into this thread??
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 09:38:40 am by fuzzy »
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中国教育书店合作将20%收入捐献给贫困山区学生。
Cooperating with China Education Bookstore and will donate 20% of delegate income to the poor students

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I wonder are there dev's who do more work that talk, that also need special mention?..
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