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Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« on: November 10, 2014, 02:58:44 PM »

Recently read a post about Omnibazaar and how they are using the BitShares Toolkit but not honoring social consensus...

Is there a way to clone this and Sharedrop it to PTS/AGS (or even BTS?)

I can't help but think that the more we let these things happen without finding ways to mitigate the precedent it sets, the worse off we are.  We can't directly attack it (as some have proposed) as it effectively uses our community resources to advertise it (remember negative attention is still attention).  So we have the option to ignore it....which seems a 50/50 toss up.  Or we can take their work and set the project right by giving it to a working network of people who honor the social consensus...thus taking significant attention away from the original clone that chooses not to honor social consensus, and making it the second mover... 

Please discuss. 
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 03:01:59 PM »
Recently read a post about Omnibazaar and how they are using the BitShares Toolkit but not honoring social consensus...

Is there a way to clone this and Sharedrop it to PTS/AGS (or even BTS?)

I can't help but think that the more we let these things happen without finding ways to mitigate the precedent it sets, the worse off we are.  We can't directly attack it (as some have proposed) as it effectively uses our community resources to advertise it (remember negative attention is still attention).  So we have the option to ignore it....which seems a 50/50 toss up.  Or we can take their work and set the project right by giving it to a working network of people who honor the social consensus...thus taking significant attention away from the original clone that chooses not to honor social consensus, and making it the second mover... 

Please discuss.
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 03:04:14 PM »
They seem so amateurish, I'm pretty confident we will never see them around with a working product.
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 03:29:34 PM »
No public tip of the hat and the cold shoulder.....bizzare.

People still don't get how competition in this market works.


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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 03:32:09 PM »
No public tip of the hat and the cold shoulder.....bizzare.

People still don't get how competition in this market works.

Heh?

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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 03:39:41 PM »
No public tip of the hat and the cold shoulder.....bizzare.

People still don't get how competition in this market works.

Heh?

no acknowledgement for using Bitshares tech and underappreciation for all the people who would have been incentivized to make their project a success...

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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2014, 03:45:23 PM »
No public tip of the hat and the cold shoulder.....bizzare.

People still don't get how competition in this market works.

Heh?

no acknowledgement for using Bitshares tech and underappreciation for all the people who would have been incentivized to make their project a success...

By far not all people...especially other devs.  Many of them understand and want to compete. Let this be the perfect case for keeping a neutral PTS and AGS alive and well so we can continue to get more DACs honoring social consensus online.

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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2014, 03:50:59 PM »
I think the plan has always been thay we will eventually run a native "bitbazaar" through our full nodes. Any research done in this area by omnibazaar is great for us; we will copy anything good they come up with and implement it on our own blockchain.

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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2014, 04:30:11 PM »
Recently read a post about Omnibazaar and how they are using the BitShares Toolkit but not honoring social consensus...

Is there a way to clone this and Sharedrop it to PTS/AGS (or even BTS?)

I can't help but think that the more we let these things happen without finding ways to mitigate the precedent it sets, the worse off we are.  We can't directly attack it (as some have proposed) as it effectively uses our community resources to advertise it (remember negative attention is still attention).  So we have the option to ignore it....which seems a 50/50 toss up.  Or we can take their work and set the project right by giving it to a working network of people who honor the social consensus...thus taking significant attention away from the original clone that chooses not to honor social consensus, and making it the second mover... 

Please discuss.

This is a good idea but if we clone it then which developers are going to maintain the clone?
If we have developers willing to maintain the clone then why not? Otherwise let them do it because it is an inherently risky venture and I see no obvious benefit to being first.
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2014, 05:02:57 PM »
I think the plan has always been thay we will eventually run a native "bitbazaar" through our full nodes. Any research done in this area by omnibazaar is great for us; we will copy anything good they come up with and implement it on our own blockchain.

Exactly!   If they come up with something worth while it will be integrated with BTS and no need to create yet another chain.
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2014, 05:46:27 PM »
I like openbazaar better
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2014, 06:51:19 PM »
I think the plan has always been thay we will eventually run a native "bitbazaar" through our full nodes. Any research done in this area by omnibazaar is great for us; we will copy anything good they come up with and implement it on our own blockchain.

Great point.  So the next question is...is there a limit to how many chains a DAC can include?
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2014, 07:34:39 PM »
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=835575.80

The only way is to make the case, concisely and without FUD/Resentment/Bias, that they are shooting themselves in the foot and that they are less likely to succeed in this way.
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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2014, 08:06:26 PM »
I think the plan has always been thay we will eventually run a native "bitbazaar" through our full nodes. Any research done in this area by omnibazaar is great for us; we will copy anything good they come up with and implement it on our own blockchain.

Great point.  So the next question is...is there a limit to how many chains a DAC can include?

There are temporary technical limits. But overcoming them is just a matter of investing enough into R&D. Once we reach a point where scaling development will become important we will have more than enough capital to invest into it.

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Re: Can we Clone OmniBazaar?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2014, 09:05:36 PM »
I think the plan has always been thay we will eventually run a native "bitbazaar" through our full nodes. Any research done in this area by omnibazaar is great for us; we will copy anything good they come up with and implement it on our own blockchain.

Great point.  So the next question is...is there a limit to how many chains a DAC can include?

There are temporary technical limits. But overcoming them is just a matter of investing enough into R&D. Once we reach a point where scaling development will become important we will have more than enough capital to invest into it.

So then it brings us to the next question.  Will chains be like plugins, downloaded apps...etc or will they be statically assigned to a SuperDAC?

For instance, will a user in one jurisdiction be able to download a specific form of DNS chain and bypass one deemed "illegal" in their jurisdiction...thereby having a choice between one of many legal chains (I Suspect this is the case)?  In this case, BTS would be the network and users would customize their experience using approved chains...or might fly under the radar using darkweb style chains.

Or are we looking at an instance where SuperDACs like BTS will only have one chain each and there will be multiple versions that act on their own to appeal to those in specific jurisdictions? 

For instance, a region-specific BTS SuperDAC for China...one for the U.S., one that fits the legal framework established by Germany, Russia, India...etc and they talk to eachother similar to how the internet exists today?

Interesting thought exercises.
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