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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

Who did they sell to? 
Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
If so, which side?
All information was available to everyone.
We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
The community discussed it every step of the way.
And everyone made their own conclusions.


I think the most important issue here is to get the facts straighten up . The market need to hear a full story .

1、Do you , Stan ,  expect (honestly, not diplomatically ) there will be a valuable DAC like Play and Music in the future to air drop on DPOS PTS ?  Instead of some DAC that lack of long term plan and vision like Lottoshares ?

The whole reason people hold PTS in the first place is because they might get a bite from a valuable DAC , not just anything that drops 10% on their head .

2、Will I3 or AGS fund provide promotion , marketing and development fund to attract those developer out there to share drop on DPOS PTS ?   (simple answer , yes or no ).

3、Will I3 or the active developers of I3 claim responsibility for anything negative may cause by DPOS PTS ?

4、Will I3 or the active developers of I3 maintain this project even if it fails  ? (I'm not asking what the community would do to save it ) .

5、Do you think it's appropriate for us to address the market specifically that "DPOS PTS is not a I3 product and it's not being maintain by the Bitshares team and will not be given any financial support . The Bitshares team will not claim any formal responsibility for this DPOS PTS ."

It is true that PTS will not have that degree of support any more, but in some ways that may be good.  If I understand correctly, it is now being positioned as a neutral demographic of people who appreciate and understand DACs - one that any developer can feel comfortable honoring.  And it still has many advantages over all the first-generation altcoins out there, as I summarized here:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11877.msg159163#msg159163
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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

Who did they sell to? 
Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
If so, which side?
All information was available to everyone.
We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
The community discussed it every step of the way.
And everyone made their own conclusions.

yes
each information is posted in forum in real time basically. it is fair to everyone., but it is too complex to normal investor. they don`t like so many change.

after merge  many investor ask why pts was drop from exchange, we explain it is merge, it have much advantage to bts coesystem. take much time to explain this in qq group and one by one.  but if pts is live again。  many inverstor will attack our  community as a scam. but I think anything I can do is keep silence.
I also have some question
1. III already announced give up pts chain, why support pts live again.?
2.there are six version of dpos-pts as I know , why iii just support this one?
3.iii announced give up pts chain, there is no official, why dpos-pts is a update?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2014, 08:08:15 am by BTSdac »
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我赞成log的观点。赞成版主更改标题以提示社区。原标题《比特股PTS强制升级与快照公告》会对不明真相的社区成员和外界造成严重误导。

请大家以及交易所一定要认识到:这个项目并非来自3i或核心开发团队。

我个人认为pts的使命已经完成,11.5就是它的最终归属。

任何人都可以基于开源的toolkit进行DAC开发,但不应该给他的项目取名叫Bitshares PTS,更不能叫强制升级。我对这个项目的动机存疑,对它可能会对社区造成的危害表示担忧。

在开发者更改Bitshares PTS这个名字之前,我强烈反对这个项目

我认为Stan说的很适当:

"他们卖给谁?

在这个贸易, 谁输了,谁收益了?

有其中一方不公平对待另一方吗?

如果有, 是那一方?

所有的信息已提供给大家。

我们都即时的观看了思维进化。

社区已讨论它的每一步。

每个人都也做出了自己的结论。"

读者的眼睛是雪亮的。所有的信息已提供给大家。读者会做出自己的结论。
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我赞成log的观点。赞成版主更改标题以提示社区。原标题《比特股PTS强制升级与快照公告》会对不明真相的社区成员和外界造成严重误导。

请大家以及交易所一定要认识到:这个项目并非来自3i或核心开发团队。

我个人认为pts的使命已经完成,11.5就是它的最终归属。

任何人都可以基于开源的toolkit进行DAC开发,但不应该给他的项目取名叫Bitshares PTS,更不能叫强制升级。我对这个项目的动机存疑,对它可能会对社区造成的危害表示担忧。

在开发者更改Bitshares PTS这个名字之前,我强烈反对这个项目
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翻译:
Who did they sell to? 
他们卖给谁?

Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
在这个贸易,谁输了,谁收益了?

Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
有其中一方不公平对待另一方吗?

If so, which side?
如果有, 是那一方?

All information was available to everyone.
所有的信息已提供给大家。

We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
我们都即时的观看了思维进化。

The community discussed it every step of the way.
社区已讨论它的每一步。

And everyone made their own conclusions.
每个人都也做出了自己的结论。

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请不要更改文章标题。

作为一个主持人,你应该保持中立。

如果你对这个帖子的内容或标题有所不满, 请在这此发表。请不要更改文章原标题及内容。
强制升级应该是pts官方发布的,现在pts已经没有官方,感觉用强制升级的标题不妥
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I3 are no longer custodians of PTS, but they are in full support of the project. Many people are conflating these two things.

I3’s primary focus going forward will be BTS, but some of their devs have offered resources to the project already. Toast has offered development support in his free time, Cass has helped with the website, Testz supports the project, Stan and Dan have returned all funds from the BitShares Trust and both have expressed support for the project. There were potential regulatory risks associated with PTS funding and continued custodianship by I3. The major exchanges and services have also expressed support. Coinmarketcap is updated and BTER will honor the snapshot. As you can see, this project is about as official as things can get without explicit I3 ownership.

* A standalone DPOS blockchain makes PTS the only DAC-agnostic, non-inflationary DPOS chain and the best candidate for sharedropping by 3rd party DACs.

* PTS will also be the most logical chain to fork by 3rd party DACs. Our developer pc has already implemented an “import by signed message” feature which exists in no other crypto and is an absolute necessity for sharecropping DACs. See here: http://pts.cubeconnex.com/index.php?topic=37

As for the questions about incentive structure for running delegates, I think it is important to note that the incentives are exactly the same as those of the prior BTSX chain. As adoption and market cap grows, the incentives and decentralization of the network also increase.

The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.

翻译:

虽然I3已不再托管PTS, 他们是全力支持这个项目。很多人都混乱这两件事情。

I3的主要焦点将是BTS ,但他们的一些开发者已经提供资源给该项目。Toast以他的空闲时间,提供了发展的支持。Cass帮助做注官网站。

Testz支持这项目。Stan和BM已经从比特股信托返回的所有资金。双方都表达了对项目的支持。

PTS资金和I3继续托管PTS有相关的潜在法律监管风险。 主要的交易所和服务也表示了支持。Coinmarketcap 已更新。BTER(比特儿)将信守快照。

你可看到,在I3没能明确表白所有权的情况下,这个项目是已尽量官方的了。

一个独立的DPOS块链(blockchain)使PTS唯一 Dac-不可知论,无通胀DPOS链,和第三方DAC份额下降最佳人选。

PTS也将是第三方DAC最合乎逻辑的链叉。我们的开发者pc已经实施了"通过签名信息来进口"的功能。这功能是其他加密货币没有的。

这第三方DAC份额下降时绝必要的功能。 请看http://pts.cubeconnex.com/index.php?topic=37

至于有关代表激励机制运行的问题,我认为重要的是PTS激励是完全跟那些先前BTSX链一样的。

在采用和市值增长, 激励机制和网络下放会增加。

中华社区是PTS的成功不可或缺的。我们邀请你加入我们来建设一个强大,稳定和高效的PTS以成长比特股生态系统。
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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

Who did they sell to? 
Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
If so, which side?
All information was available to everyone.
We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
The community discussed it every step of the way.
And everyone made their own conclusions.


I think the most important issue here is to get the facts straighten up . The market need to hear a full story .

1、Do you , Stan ,  expect (honestly, not diplomatically ) there will be a valuable DAC like Play and Music in the future to air drop on DPOS PTS ?  Instead of some DAC that lack of long term plan and vision like Lottoshares ?

The whole reason people hold PTS in the first place is because they might get a bite from a valuable DAC , not just anything that drops 10% on their head .

2、Will I3 or AGS fund provide promotion , marketing and development fund to attract those developer out there to share drop on DPOS PTS ?   (simple answer , yes or no ).

3、Will I3 or the active developers of I3 claim responsibility for anything negative may cause by DPOS PTS ?

4、Will I3 or the active developers of I3 maintain this project even if it fails  ? (I'm not asking what the community would do to save it ) .

5、Do you think it's appropriate for us to address the market specifically that "DPOS PTS is not a I3 product and it's not being maintain by the Bitshares team and will not be given any financial support . The Bitshares team will not claim any formal responsibility for this DPOS PTS ."
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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

Who did they sell to? 
Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
If so, which side?
All information was available to everyone.
We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
The community discussed it every step of the way.
And everyone made their own conclusions.

yes
each information is posted in forum in real time basically. it is fair to everyone., but it is too complex to normal investor. they don`t like so many change.

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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

Who did they sell to? 
Who lost and who gained in that trade? 
Was one side unfairly taking advantage of the other?
If so, which side?
All information was available to everyone.
We all watched the the thinking evolve in real time.
The community discussed it every step of the way.
And everyone made their own conclusions.



Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

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The Chinese community has been integral to the success of PTS. We invite you to join us in growing the Bitshares ecosystem by building a strong, stable, and efficient PTS.
this project cannot delegate pts , because Miner pts always is existed in p2p network,no matter it die or live. but in many Chinese investor mind , pts had finished all task community give to,pts  was dead ,we accept this like all thing in our universe would die。but they have question:why pts is removed from exchange ,why pts is live again. removed from exchange is decided by exchange site, but it must acc. to information our community expressed .so I worry that our community would lose much honor in many Chinese mind. since price of pts was in period of low price after 11.05 .they think pts become non- value and sold it at low price. make pts live again ,price was up. maybe I can understand it . but to normal investor without much information.in his mind just as :"pts was dead  they sold at low price。 after they sold pts is live price is up." we hurt them would hurt us finally.
so i am not interested with this project though I have some pts now. even I think name should not include PTS,this project should use other name.

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强制升级和公告这些词非官方不应使用。

PTS升级为DPOS已经计划了很长时间。 只是I3没有人有时间去做。

我们的项目有I3, BM, Stan 的全力支持。 一直照顾PTS POW网络的人-testz和freetrade也全力支持和帮助PTS DPOS项目。 在官方方面, 这以足够了。

请勿误导其他人,很久以前3I确实有计划把PTS转为DPOS。
但是后来决定功能合并后,3I的态度已经非常明确了。PTS已与3I无关。
后续的DAC有自己的权利决定使用PTS115快照,或者POW的PTS当时快照,或者各种各样的DPOS改造的PTS(肯定不止你一家会做DPOS的PTS)。

我个人会尽我所能推动115快照的使用,因为我认为这是使投资者真正注目于项目价值本身最好的方式,他人当然也可有自己的看法。

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强制升级和公告这些词非官方不应使用。

PTS升级为DPOS已经计划了很长时间。 只是I3没有人有时间去做。

我们的项目有I3, BM, Stan 的全力支持。 一直照顾PTS POW网络的人-testz和freetrade也全力支持和帮助PTS DPOS项目。 在官方方面, 这以足够了。

请勿误导其他人,很久以前3I确实有计划把PTS转为DPOS。
但是后来决定功能合并后,3I的态度已经非常明确了。PTS已与3I无关。
后续的DAC有自己的权利决定使用PTS115快照,或者POW的PTS当时快照,或者各种各样的DPOS改造的PTS(肯定不止你一家会做DPOS的PTS)。

我个人会尽我所能推动115快照的使用,因为我认为这是使投资者真正注目于项目价值本身最好的方式,他人当然也可有自己的看法。

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