Say Hello To Stacey Everyone

[Gentso1]

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

Ok, I finally understand your point now. Yes this is a very valid concern to have and something I never even considered the OP could be interpreted as. She is not being paid for this. It's legitimately a fun project the me and Stacey want to work on. We have two videos planned and nothing beyond that.

Some of the fault is mine. I have a hard time communicating ideas through text. Maybe because I work with sometimes less the ethical people on a daily basis this makes me a bit jaded and suspicious of everyone. I my line of work if it is completely spelled out that something is free it is assumed it is a paid job. So lets start again.

Welcome Stacy any and all help you can provide would be wonderful. Their is a huge opportunity for you to get in on the ground floor and help us spread our message. I am nothing less then thrilled for anyone who is willing to volunteer any skills or time. 

FYI I completely disagree on the micromanaging reference. It is one thing to micromanage, It is another to know how and where a delegate spends money. By understanding how/where delegates spend money we as a community can judge the effectiveness of said delegate and their initiatives. How can you expect to judge a delegate if you don't know where their funds go? 

[jae208]

How do we expect to attract top talent if you guys hit them with a cold water hose right out of the gate?

This thread is starting to embarrass me.

Agreed. Some of these same people are wondering why they're still single, and why there aren't many women in this field. Hmmm...

For the same reasons there aren't many women in STEM fields. I don't know what they are I just think it is the same reasons.

[gamey]

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

Ok, I finally understand your point now. Yes this is a very valid concern to have and something I never even considered the OP could be interpreted as. She is not being paid for this. It's legitimately a fun project the me and Stacey want to work on. We have two videos planned and nothing beyond that.

My perspective on this is that the blockchain hired you to use your best judgment to increase its value.  If that judgment includes subcontracting and hiring people the stakeholders don't know or trust, go for it.  You're hired to manage those details so they don't have to.  If the shareholders micromanage every detail of what you're doing, there's no value in having you at all.  If you persistently abuse that, or show yourself to be ineffective, you'll lose your position.  Until that happens, we get the best return out of you by minimizing the friction and drag we apply to your efforts by questioning every detail (constructive feedback is different).

That said, getting things done by finding partners willing to work for nothing but reputation building and fun is even more efficient.

*applause*

Well said!  People really need to balance this concern of being screwed over for a few dollars versus the needs of people working.  When BTS is able to pay people far more than they are worth and people start being paid market wages ... THEN it is time to be all concerned.  That time is not now.

[oco101]

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

Ok, I finally understand your point now. Yes this is a very valid concern to have and something I never even considered the OP could be interpreted as. She is not being paid for this. It's legitimately a fun project the me and Stacey want to work on. We have two videos planned and nothing beyond that.

My perspective on this is that the blockchain hired you to use your best judgment to increase its value.  If that judgment includes subcontracting and hiring people the stakeholders don't know or trust, go for it.  You're hired to manage those details so they don't have to.  If the shareholders micromanage every detail of what you're doing, there's no value in having you at all.  If you persistently abuse that, or show yourself to be ineffective, you'll lose your position.  Until that happens, we get the best return out of you by minimizing the friction and drag we apply to your efforts by questioning every detail (constructive feedback is different).

That said, getting things done by finding partners willing to work for nothing but reputation building and fun is even more efficient.

*applause*

This
Spot on. Exactly my thoughts .

[Troglodactyl]

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

Ok, I finally understand your point now. Yes this is a very valid concern to have and something I never even considered the OP could be interpreted as. She is not being paid for this. It's legitimately a fun project the me and Stacey want to work on. We have two videos planned and nothing beyond that.

My perspective on this is that the blockchain hired you to use your best judgment to increase its value.  If that judgment includes subcontracting and hiring people the stakeholders don't know or trust, go for it.  You're hired to manage those details so they don't have to.  If the shareholders micromanage every detail of what you're doing, there's no value in having you at all.  If you persistently abuse that, or show yourself to be ineffective, you'll lose your position.  Until that happens, we get the best return out of you by minimizing the friction and drag we apply to your efforts by questioning every detail (constructive feedback is different).

That said, getting things done by finding partners willing to work for nothing but reputation building and fun is even more efficient.

*applause*

[Method-X]

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

Ok, I finally understand your point now. Yes this is a very valid concern to have and something I never even considered the OP could be interpreted as. She is not being paid for this. It's legitimately a fun project the me and Stacey want to work on. We have two videos planned and nothing beyond that.

[santaclause102]

Im still waiting on delulo.... that is all I know.

The man is single, eloquent, thoughtful and has a high opinion of stacey

That is sweet of you fuzz! But that girl is out of my range

[roselee]

it that stacey herbert comoderator of max keiser?

welcome stacey....

[roselee]

Delegate? How about we see how the first video does. This is just a fun thing we want to do and see what happens.

where can we see it?

[roselee]

So this thread was the cause of the what-do-you-think-about Stacey discussion on the Mumble hangout today.

First things first, hello Stacey welcome and I hope you are a little thick skinned.

Secondly, the reaction on this thread are predictable from the way methodex worded the OP and the framing of the video, where even a part of the face was cut off, although that did show off just what a smashing blouse you have on. Obviously completely accidental and unintentional, but alas it also causes a certain type of unwanted reactions.

Thirdly, I do think it takes a bit of courage to put your face out there. Regrettably I also admit that I made sure the blond haired blue eyed members of the fair sex I managed to get interested in bitshares also hid their identities well not solely based on privacy concerns.

Last but most certainly not least, Methodex are you telling me that 99% of the crowd here is male? Juck, I'm outta here.

dont worry here are more girls then you think

[JoeyD]

So this thread was the cause of the what-do-you-think-about Stacey discussion on the Mumble hangout today.

First things first, hello Stacey welcome and I hope you are a little thick skinned.

Secondly, the reaction on this thread are predictable from the way methodex worded the OP and the framing of the video, where even a part of the face was cut off, although that did show off just what a smashing blouse you have on. Obviously completely accidental and unintentional, but alas it also causes a certain type of unwanted reactions.

Thirdly, I do think it takes a bit of courage to put your face out there. Regrettably I also admit that I made sure the blond haired blue eyed members of the fair sex I managed to get interested in bitshares also hid their identities well not solely based on privacy concerns.

Last but most certainly not least, Methodex are you telling me that 99% of the crowd here is male? Juck, I'm outta here.

[Gentso1]

Why force such discussions at the beginning?  You can't even begin to do it until you know what she is doing and what she wants to be paid.  So I don't think it should be spelled out at this point. 

Once she actually does stuff and wants to be paid then we start having that discussion.  I'm completely at a loss why people approach things in this manner.  It doesn't seem productive.  At all.

I don't remember having these kinds of preemptively-critical discussions about Toast, MethodX, Cass or any of our most valuable forum members. 

Each one of them pitched in and had developed a valued reputation long before deciding to run for delegate.  This is the standard mechanism we advise for most high potential new talent - prove your worth, get some support from another trusted delegate, then run for full-time office.  Perhaps some people with established reputations can take a shorter path, but I don't think it's necessary to preemptively interrogate everybody entering the pipeline unless and until they become a candidate.

So why are we picking on this particular person who may or may not be embarking on a similar trajectory?   

How do we expect to attract top talent if you guys hit them with a cold water hose right out of the gate?

This thread is starting to embarrass me.

Toast,Cass and MethodX all provided tons of github,graphic work or demonstrated a great understanding of marketing. It (at least for me) was very easy to see the value of any of these players very quickly. I not only encourage but applaud anyone who does anything big or small as a volunteer.I do feel that volunteer's VS paid delegates should be held to different standards and that it is important to know who is what so that we as a community can accurately judge the work said person is or isn't doing. With MethodX having a delegate(which I supported and he is doing a great job) I felt it was important for it to be known if delegate funds were being used for this idea. It lets all of us as shareholders vote on delegates that provide value to the system, whether through development of code, graphical design, or and other skill deemed useful.

I never assume anything is free unless its clearly stated and maybe that's the cornerstone of the issue here.

A simple reply of she is volunteering for now to show her skill set would have be a great simple answer.Since it has been answered I am all for her giving it a go. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

This thread is starting to embarrass me.

   

Its funny how 2 people can look at the same thing completely differently, This thread is a shinning example of how chivalry is not dead

[Stan]

So, this might be a good place to bump my pre-historic (June) motivational graphic for why anyone would want to put up with all this torment ...

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4821.msg62779#msg62779

[gamey]

If people succeed in chasing her off TonyK and I will be opening up a virtual charm school where you people can go and learn to be the next Bitshares spokesperson.

[mira]

It's sad but who didn't see this coming? I talked with Methodx before he posted this thread and he assured me she could take it.  I guess we'll see.

No doubt Methodx is savvy enough to know full well the sorts of reactions it would elicit, (which is a strong point in it's favor as marketing anyway - and as he's written several times here controversy is a great marketing tool) and wouldn't have involved her if he wasn't confident she could roll with the punches. 

I just think this is an opportunity for people to think about what kind of diversity DO THEY REALLY WANT in this BitShares ecosystem?  The answer to that will greatly affect how they treat new participants.