Why is BitShares Public Domain?

Started by bytemaster, December 17, 2014, 12:02:55 AM

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hpenvy

I've started sending this out on Twitter, a few nice retweets already.  Is anyone:

- Posting in Bitcointalk?
- Posting on Reddit?
- Tweeting to non crypto areas such as Libertarian, Open Source etc ?


Any help spreading the word is appreciated.
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Quote from: pc on December 17, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
Quote from: Thom on December 17, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
What other people do with the tools you create is their responsibility, not the one who creates the tools; tools may be used for both good and evil. It is the intent of the one wielding the tool who is liable for their own actions.

I fail to see how Oppenheimer's "tool" could be used for anything but mass murder. It's a long way from Einstein over knife makers and gunsmiths to Oppenheimer.

Obviously. If all of us had a button we could push at will and destroy the rest of humanity, we'd all be dead.

Thom

Quote from: pc on December 17, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
Quote from: Thom on December 17, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
What other people do with the tools you create is their responsibility, not the one who creates the tools; tools may be used for both good and evil. It is the intent of the one wielding the tool who is liable for their own actions.

I fail to see how Oppenheimer's "tool" could be used for anything but mass murder. It's a long way from Einstein over knife makers and gunsmiths to Oppenheimer.

You should broaden your perspective. Although I don't see nuclear energy in it's present form being a desirable, cost effective and non polluting form of energy, the science that led to both the a-bomb and nuclear energy are both the same.

The better implementation of nuclear energy would be based on thorium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power), tho it too produces radioactive waste.

The idea of stopping the forward movement of knowledge & discovery is fundamentally flawed and contrary to the pursuit of freedom. I won't argue the merits of whether the use of the a-bomb in WW2 saved more lives than it lost. Clearly the risk to planetary destruction and extinction are far more important considerations.

If it weren't for people's trust in government such atrocities as war and contrived energy shortages wouldn't even occur in the first place, at least not at the scale they do today.
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pc

Quote from: Thom on December 17, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
What other people do with the tools you create is their responsibility, not the one who creates the tools; tools may be used for both good and evil. It is the intent of the one wielding the tool who is liable for their own actions.

I fail to see how Oppenheimer's "tool" could be used for anything but mass murder. It's a long way from Einstein over knife makers and gunsmiths to Oppenheimer.
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CLains

Love these. +5%

Maybe it is time for a Philosophy & Politics section :D
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Thom

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I just read your blog, and found it very interesting and philosophically stimulating. This is yet another example of how you continue to put yourself out there in a very personal and vulnerable way. I have the utmost respect for that.

I thought I had a question about one aspect you raised as a basis for your decision to go public domain, that being liability. I answered my own question as I wrote it:

If you adhere to the concept of ownership as described by Rothbard, Mises and many other prominent libertarian thinkers do you not also claim you and only you have control over your organs & your body, as it is only through your will and your efforts that they continue to exist, and further you are responsible for anything that arises from the use of or proceeds from the labor and expression of your will through your body?

The answer is actually quite simple. Nobody is responsible for the actions of others. Are those that worked out the concepts and science to prove nuclear energy responsible for the deaths that resulted from the application of those ideas into a destructive bomb? That would be tantamount to blaming Einstein for mass murder. Although Oppenheimer did feel considerable guilt for his role in those deaths, that was an unfair burden he placed on himself. He was no more guilty of a crime than a knife maker or gunsmith is on every murderer that uses such weaponry.

What other people do with the tools you create is their responsibility, not the one who creates the tools; tools may be used for both good and evil. It is the intent of the one wielding the tool who is liable for their own actions.

Also, I'm beginning to understand your views on solipsism better, and the quote you used was very good to that end. Whether our "individual" perception is merely the manifestation of a single consciousness or is truly and objectively separate, multiple and autonomous, we act as tho it was the later outside of any tangible evidence to the contrary.

What  the writer you quoted was trying to express (as I understood it) was his "feeling" there was little of his personal, individual self involved in his best works, but rather something he believes is more powerful than he could take credit for as the source of is inspiration. He described it quite eloquently, but of course not provably. It is only his subjective opinion, and his attempt to try to explain it is somewhat self contradictory, in the same way as arguing with yourself is.
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kisa

wish you much success with the blog, Dan!

having easy access to and navigation though your main ideas will be of great benefit to the humanity ;)

Ben Mason

This blog is going to be bl00dy awesome.  Nice one BM!  +5%

svk

Quote from: pc on December 17, 2014, 09:47:18 AM
IMO this "public domain" stamp is questionable for the sources and a violation of third party licences included in the bitshares repository at least for binaries.

See https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8571.0 and https://github.com/PTS-DPOS/PTS/blob/master/LICENSE.md and https://github.com/PTS-DPOS/PTS/blob/master/LICENSE_GUI.md .

Agreed, Highcharts in particular seems troublesome IMO. Once you use it in an application with user login, you need a paid license for it.
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svk

Quote from: bytemaster on December 17, 2014, 12:15:06 AM
Quote from: toast on December 17, 2014, 12:14:19 AM
Use spell check!

Yes... I need it :)

Indeed ;) FYI there are four instances of "intelectual" that should read "intellectual".
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pc

IMO this "public domain" stamp is questionable for the sources and a violation of third party licences included in the bitshares repository at least for binaries.

See https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8571.0 and https://github.com/PTS-DPOS/PTS/blob/master/LICENSE.md and https://github.com/PTS-DPOS/PTS/blob/master/LICENSE_GUI.md .
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hpenvy

Working on twitter, could someone please throw this on Bitcointalk and Reddit?
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QuoteBecause BitShares was developed as part of a larger vision to make governments irrelevant, it would be a contradiction to depend upon governments to enforce any kind of software license. BitShares must succeed without any kind of license protection at all.

Now we're talking. +5%
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Geneko

Awesome text. That is why I was brought here in the first place.

hpenvy

Quote from: bytemaster on December 17, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
As some of you have heard I have started my own blog.  I plan on using this blog to detail many questions that come up as I feel inspired.  Today I felt the need to clarify our decision to use Public Domain.  Eventually this blog will be hosted at bitshares.org, for now you can see what I have to say here:

http://bytemaster.github.io/update/2014/12/17/Why-Public-Domain.html

Pushing through Twitter now.
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bytemaster

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toast

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liondani

Quote from: bytemaster on December 17, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
As some of you have heard I have started my own blog.  I plan on using this blog to detail many questions that come up as I feel inspired.  Today I felt the need to clarify our decision to use Public Domain.  Eventually this blog will be hosted at bitshares.org, for now you can see what I have to say here:

http://bytemaster.github.io/update/2014/12/17/Why-Public-Domain.html

I assume you have thought many times if it would be better you have introduced yourself as "shatoshi2" from the beginning ...  :)
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bytemaster

#1
As some of you have heard I have started my own blog.  I plan on using this blog to detail many questions that come up as I feel inspired.  Today I felt the need to clarify our decision to use Public Domain.  Eventually this blog will be hosted at bitshares.org, for now you can see what I have to say here:

http://bytemaster.github.io/update/2014/12/17/Why-Public-Domain.html


For the latest updates checkout my blog: [url="http://bytemaster.bitshares.org"]http://bytemaster.bitshares.org[/url]
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract between myself and anyone else.   These are merely my opinions and I reserve the right to change them at any time.