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An open challenge to Bytemaster
« on: January 09, 2015, 05:29:25 AM »

The Bitshares toolkit is phenominally powerful and can streamline and improve many businesses all around the world. No one is better than Bytemaster at seeing those opportunities.

It seems the niche that will most readily understand and implement bitshares into some part of their business is the bitcoin ecosystem. I want to test him to see how useful bitshares is?

So here is my challenge.

Can BM write 6 blog posts where the last sentence of each blog post is:

"And that is just one way of many that bitshares will massively grow/secure/improve/drive adoption/expand/protect/raise the marketcap of the bitcoin ecosystem"

Just 1 rule: Changing the bitcoin protocol can not be part of the solution.
& 1 preference: Bitcoin and all bitcoin associated infrastructure and personalities are spoken of exclusively in a positive light. Along the lines of "this is great and here is how it can be even better."

And because I have a gambling problem, I bet bit$50 that these 6 articles receive more views by the end of the month than all previous posts combined up until today if the 5 articles are published by Jan 17. I will honor that bet with one person only. The first one to accept it in this thread.  (assuming it can be measured).
« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 05:32:36 AM by bitmarket »
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 05:40:24 AM »
I accept and hope to lose this bet :).

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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 05:48:15 AM »
Great challenge! I like reading your post bytemaster but this is a good one to try.

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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 05:48:28 AM »
I can measure it.  I just don't think I can write 6 articles by the 17th that end that way.   It would seem that the Bitcoin related ones are relatively high on the list. 

Here is a list of my top articles.  The first number is total page views, the second number is unique page views. 

1.   
/article/2014/12/22/BitShares-Login/
12,464(24.05%)
5,835(25.18%)

/
8,635(16.66%)
2,965(12.80%)

   3.   
/article/2015/01/09/How-to-Measure-the-Decentralization-of-Bitcoin/?r=jaran
2,154(4.16%)
1,032(4.45%)

   4.   
/article/2014/12/24/Introducing-BitShares-Object-Graph/
2,119(4.09%)
1,005(4.34%)

   5.   
/article/2014/12/26/Stop-the-Crowd-Sales-Long-Live-Crowd-Funding/
1,825(3.52%)

   6.   
/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/
1,637(3.16%)
734(3.17%)

   7.   
/article/2014/12/31/Stable-Crypto-Currencies-are-Impossible/
1,506(2.91%)
690(2.98%)

   8.   
/article/2015/01/04/Why-I-am-an-Austrian-Economist/
1,232(2.38%)
557(2.40%)

   9.   
/article/2014/12/21/Provably-Honest-Online-Elections/
992(1.91%)
343(1.48%)

   10.   
/article/2014/12/27/The-Benefits-of-A-Contract-Free-Society/
949(1.83%)
428(1.85%)

   11.   
/article/2015/01/01/How-to-create-a-stable-decentralized-crypto-currency/
942(1.82%)
412(1.78%)
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 05:52:03 AM »
Wow. Did you get to capture leads from all that traffic bytemaster?

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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 05:54:08 AM »
I smell funnels.




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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 05:55:19 AM »
Wow. Did you get to capture leads from all that traffic bytemaster?

What do you mean by "capture leads"?   

Everything we received in the past 48 hours (one of my biggest days) has resulted in a cookie being delivered to every visitor as part of our referral program.   I am working to optimize my blog to start funneling users into BitShares.   
For the latest updates checkout my blog: http://bytemaster.bitshares.org
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 05:57:45 AM »
The PR announcement I wrote for Max about how Bitshares+Shapeshift can shape the bitcoin world for the better  can count in this bet , if the Shapeshift thing did pan out like what I wrote in that article . What do you think , max ?
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 06:00:31 AM »

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What do you mean by "capture leads"?   

Everything we received in the past 48 hours (one of my biggest days) has resulted in a cookie being delivered to every visitor as part of our referral program.   I am working to optimize my blog to start funneling users into BitShares.

You are doing great and this is not criticism. By leads I mean a way to capture email to build a list and have your own private source of traffic forever and ever.

I mean you are producing a lot of content! Would be happy to setup a subscription form with a call to action at the end of every post for you if you need support.


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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 06:01:32 AM »
Beyond Bitcoin is very bad slogan! We need to support from Bitcoin crowd, bts is distributed bitcoin exchange. There are common interests.

Beyond Freedom is a better slogan ,perhaps

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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 06:03:34 AM »

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What do you mean by "capture leads"?   

Everything we received in the past 48 hours (one of my biggest days) has resulted in a cookie being delivered to every visitor as part of our referral program.   I am working to optimize my blog to start funneling users into BitShares.

You are doing great and this is not criticism. By leads I mean a way to capture email to build a list and have your own private source of traffic forever and ever.

I mean you are producing a lot of content! Would be happy to setup a subscription form with a call to action at the end of every post for you if you need support.

Good idea.   We are capturing emails of everyone who signs up to BitShares via the faucet.   I will work with Valintine to capture the email address of users and tie it into our overall system. 
For the latest updates checkout my blog: http://bytemaster.bitshares.org
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2015, 06:05:08 AM »
Beyond Bitcoin is very bad slogan! We need to support from Bitcoin crowd, bts is distributed bitcoin exchange. There are common interests.

Beyond Freedom is a better slogan ,perhaps

Same conclusion I get from big time Bitcoin investors in China .
They lost interest when they saw the articles about how Bitshares can replace Bitcoin .
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2015, 06:16:56 AM »
Beyond Bitcoin is very bad slogan! We need to support from Bitcoin crowd, bts is distributed bitcoin exchange. There are common interests.

Beyond Freedom is a better slogan ,perhaps

Same conclusion I get from big time Bitcoin investors in China .
They lost interest when they saw the articles about how Bitshares can replace Bitcoin .

I agree that the titles really don't need Bitcoin in them. I also think we should be polite and respectful. I just don't like the approach of avoiding the weaknesses of your competitor for fear of offending them.

I think it's patronising and disingenuous to frame yourself as a complimentary addition to the Bitcoin ecosystem when the intelligent people with capital are investors capable of making rational decisions based on direct comparisons.

As an example how do we promote remittances if not as a direct competitor to Bitcoin? Are we supposed to keep this competitive advantage quiet?

A post I made earlier today...


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they're very excited about the potential Bitcoin has for remittance particularly in the Philippines, as $20 Billion annually is remitted there, unfortunately for them our dollar stable, 10 second, 1 cent transactions, interest paying BitUSD & the relationships & offramps John Underwood specifically has there, crushes their model. It's a huge market that BitShares is going to be vastly superior in. The approach of not explaining that, pretending to be complimentary, hoping they connect the dots and when they do say 'shhh, now that you' ve converted be vewy vewy quiet, nobody is aloud to openly make direct comparisons about BitShares having a better business model, we have to pwetend that our Bitcoin crushing remittance model is actually a complimentary addition to Bitcoin...' Is the wrong approach to me.

If you have a superior product and can back it up, make direct comparisons & intelligent, mature males with capital will consider it. They're investors and that's advertising.

If we don't a competitor will come along and say 'hey we can do the remittance job with a stable dollar asset, for 1c in 10 seconds and we have offramps in the Philippines' while Bitcoin is volatile, takes longer, charges more and has no banking relationships there' - People can see the light quickly with such a stark comparison which we will have failed to make if everyone took the soft sell approach.

I think both methods have a place but advertising your strengths vs. the leading competitor is just advertising, there's not many successful Trojan Horse campaigns I can recall and if there are, I would say they're the exception rather than the rule.

It will be an interesting challenge to try a few articles in the vein BitMarket suggests and I know that approach works very well for him. Personally though I'm going to continue to be clear and direct about our advantages as well as the weaknesses of Bitcoin when engaging people.

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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 07:01:50 AM »
Beyond Bitcoin is very bad slogan! We need to support from Bitcoin crowd, bts is distributed bitcoin exchange. There are common interests.

Beyond Freedom is a better slogan ,perhaps

Same conclusion I get from big time Bitcoin investors in China .
They lost interest when they saw the articles about how Bitshares can replace Bitcoin .

I agree that the titles really don't need Bitcoin in them. I also think we should be polite and respectful. I just don't like the approach of avoiding the weaknesses of your competitor for fear of offending them.

I think it's patronising and disingenuous to frame yourself as a complimentary addition to the Bitcoin ecosystem when the intelligent people with capital are investors capable of making rational decisions based on direct comparisons.

As an example how do we promote remittances if not as a direct competitor to Bitcoin? Are we supposed to keep this competitive advantage quiet?

A post I made earlier today...


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they're very excited about the potential Bitcoin has for remittance particularly in the Philippines, as $20 Billion annually is remitted there, unfortunately for them our dollar stable, 10 second, 1 cent transactions, interest paying BitUSD & the relationships & offramps John Underwood specifically has there, crushes their model. It's a huge market that BitShares is going to be vastly superior in. The approach of not explaining that, pretending to be complimentary, hoping they connect the dots and when they do say 'shhh, now that you' ve converted be vewy vewy quiet, nobody is aloud to openly make direct comparisons about BitShares having a better business model, we have to pwetend that our Bitcoin crushing remittance model is actually a complimentary addition to Bitcoin...' Is the wrong approach to me.

If you have a superior product and can back it up, make direct comparisons & intelligent, mature males with capital will consider it. They're investors and that's advertising.

If we don't a competitor will come along and say 'hey we can do the remittance job with a stable dollar asset, for 1c in 10 seconds and we have offramps in the Philippines' while Bitcoin is volatile, takes longer, charges more and has no banking relationships there' - People can see the light quickly with such a stark comparison which we will have failed to make if everyone took the soft sell approach.

I think both methods have a place but advertising your strengths vs. the leading competitor is just advertising, there's not many successful Trojan Horse campaigns I can recall and if there are, I would say they're the exception rather than the rule.

It will be an interesting challenge to try a few articles in the vein BitMarket suggests and I know that approach works very well for him. Personally though I'm going to continue to be clear and direct about our advantages as well as the weaknesses of Bitcoin when engaging people.

Let me give you two direct quotes from very serious people in the bitcoin space and good friends of mine.

1. A well known bitcoin investor and evengalist. Seed investor in many of the biggest bitcoin businesses that you all know the names of and a good friend was asked to proof read bitshares 101 for me.  He is a bitcoin multimillionaire and then some. He has flown me around in his plane. Bear in mind he is a good friend and would probably read a childrens book if I wrote it out of courtesy.

"I am not reading it. The guys at bitshares hate bitcoin."

2. Owner and developer of one of the best bitcoin wallets and a friend. He asked me to be a investor in his wallet because or my rep and ability to market. When I mentioned I was excited about bitshares his response was... "Oh dude stay away from them. They piss a lot of people off. If you align yourself with them you will feel it next time you are at a conference." 

Hence bitshares.tv and this challenge.   If we can repair bitshares reputation, I can bring a lot of people in.   But as long as we are banging on about, "proof of waste" "Proof of work is dead", "The one chain to rule them all", "bitshares makes bitcoin redundant" "bitcoins demise is inevitable because of its inefficiencies", "beyond bitcoin" we will be shunned by the demographic that should be most responsive to us.

« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 07:07:16 AM by bitmarket »
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Re: An open challenge to Bytemaster
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 07:06:39 AM »
The PR announcement I wrote for Max about how Bitshares+Shapeshift can shape the bitcoin world for the better  can count in this bet , if the Shapeshift thing did pan out like what I wrote in that article . What do you think , max ?

I agree. But lets not give him any clues.  :)   It is a great PR piece by the way.   Shapeshift are looking forward to running with it too.
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