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I know this project was dead too.baozou was deeply dispointed at bts.

It would be nice to warn if you abandoned the ship  :) Still don't understand what happened with DACx. Anyone from CNX or has contact with them can clarify? They did the dac play ipo so they might have contact? @ripplexiaoshan

You guys may used to demand answers or reports from BM or the dev team at will (so did I in the past year  :o)  . but other people does not .

The liquidity, marketcap for BitShares were no longer suitable for their system to expand . If they push new plans now , they will end up with users' complaint . They just don't have anymore exciting new plans to tell .
So maintain the old accounts without trying anything new is the only logical thing to do at this point .

I''m not demanding anything, I'm simply asking what happened to them, or is that a big deal?

Thanks for the reply.
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I know this project was dead too.baozou was deeply dispointed at bts.

It would be nice to warn if you abandoned the ship  :) Still don't understand what happened with DACx. Anyone from CNX or has contact with them can clarify? They did the dac play ipo so they might have contact? @ripplexiaoshan

You guys may used to demand answers or reports from BM or the dev team at will (so did I in the past year  :o)  . but other people does not .

The liquidity, marketcap for BitShares were no longer suitable for their system to expand . If they push new plans now , they will end up with users' complaint . They just don't have anymore exciting new plans to tell .
So maintain the old accounts without trying anything new is the only logical thing to do at this point .
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I know this project was dead too.baozou was deeply dispointed at bts.

It would be nice to warn if you abandoned the ship  :) Still don't understand what happened with DACx. Anyone from CNX or has contact with them can clarify? They did the dac play ipo so they might have contact? @ripplexiaoshan
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I know this project was dead too.baozou was deeply dispointed at bts.

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could we get an update before lzr declares this a dead project?
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An update would be nice. What are they up to? It's been quite a while since any updates. Last one was DACx on tv, but what about now? What has been accomplished since then?
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Cool project, I am looking for some clarity on the below:

On the contrary, DACx will try its best effort to raise funds in BitCNY/BitUSD, in that foreign investors may have borderless access to local investments with the help of Bitassets.   Recognizing there could be regulatory issues in doing so if DACx aims to be get licensed later, we will try to find ways out.  And DACx can really do that at least before the crowdfunding regulation steps in.
I am all for this, but that allow for the anonymous purchase and trade of depository receipts, right?Thereby causing KYC and AML legal issues?

Each BDR represents a fractional ownership to the underlying equity interest in the funded company, which will be honored by the said custodian.  Moreover, the custodian and each contributor will sign a binding legal instrument to formalize that arrangement to ensure the BDR legally enforceable.

Here you can see BitShares blockchain will serve as the public ledger to record all the BDRs issued against the underlying equity crowdfunded.  Such records will be conclusive, as backed by binding legal instruments.
In this case is the contributor anyone who contributed to the crowd funding. If a contributor is anonymous how would they sign a legally binding contract. Or is DACX the contributor?

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Sounds good, you have my vote.

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Are you guys based in Shanghai? Is the office open for visitors?

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Great stuff.. I hope in the future to run many Bunker Labs incubator projects through you to take to mass market.

You got my Voted too btw.. currently in #62 place.. congrats!  +5%
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The DACx guys ARE great.

I've had the pleasure of working with them from the beginning way back in late 2013.
This is an extremely important activity, likely to boost BTS price in the near term.

Roland has also been one of our most helpful I3 lawyers that whole time.

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Be patient :)  DACx has been on the march for some time while it sounds new to the western users.  Something exciting is really gonna show up in the coming months.

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This is an extremely important activity, likely to boost BTS price in the near term.

That would be nice. Curious how "near term" we're talking here -- seems like a lot of things are on the horizon/being planned, but actual execution seems to take forever heh.

Regardless, this idea sounds incredible. And with a name like "Rampaging Prince Gong", what's not to like?!?

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The DACx guys ARE great.

I've had the pleasure of working with them from the beginning way back in late 2013.
This is an extremely important activity, likely to make BTS go viral .

Roland has also been one of our most helpful I3 lawyers that whole time.

Pay attention to these guys!
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 ? ? ?

 Why you should be a delegate? Why you need to be a delegate? How being a delegate helps/solves anything?

 Ohh wait, I read it once again...You are so great, there is no need to reason anything you do!

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You're in, congratulations :)

This project is really exciting, looking forward to following your progress!

PS. If you can get feeds published too that would be great!
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you guys should have it translated into English soon :)

Noted.  Bilingual site is a must-have for each crypto crowdfunding with global reach.  Yet we are still in the process of nailing down the Chinese text  :)

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you guys should have it translated into English soon :)

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I am glad to see our Chinese supporters getting involved now through delegates - marketing group, Yunbi, Tradebts and now DACx :)

Would you guys be open to adding a *powered by BitShares tag on your site?

Yes.  Our site is still evolving.  It is now in rudimentary form and will absolutely highlight DACx's connection with BitShares down the road since the BitShars blockchain is chosen to be the very infrastructure underlying each crowdfunding that DACx may launch.

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I am glad to see our Chinese supporters getting involved now through delegates - marketing group, Yunbi, Tradebts and now DACx :)

Would you guys be open to adding a *powered by BitShares tag on your site?

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so DACx is building a portal for access into Bitshare decentralised exchange of "shares" in small and medium business in China, am I right?

similar to what Medici is to Counterparty?

Furthermore, what is your progress so far? and more info on the team would be greatly appreciated.
(the info is not for voting but for me to better be able to appreciate the gravity of DACx ;) ).

Exactly thats what DACx is doing.

But a bit different with Medici although we may share the same goal.  Medici is supposedly designed to create a brand-new stock exchange while DACx is essentially an investment bank playing with the existing decentralized stock exchange - the BitShares blockchain.

We have been incorporated and will definitely reveal further info in due course.  The Chinese community is pretty much familiar with most of our members, among whom Baozou (Rampaging Prince) is a top influential guy in the crypto-industry of China.  Technically we are poised to launch IPO for companies in the crypto-world at present, given that the local crowdfunding regulation hasn't made its debut to shackle us.  What we are doing right now is to locate promising start-ups in China, whose business idea should be sexy enough to appeal to the crowds.

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It is hard to emphasize how big this is.  +5%

could anybody show some support to Chinese Community Service Group please?

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so DACx is building a portal for access into Bitshare decentralised exchange of "shares" in small and medium business in China, am I right?

similar to what Medici is to Counterparty?

Furthermore, what is your progress so far? and more info on the team would be greatly appreciated.
(the info is not for voting but for me to better be able to appreciate the gravity of DACx ;) ).

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Thanks, that was helpful!

DACX is an amazing project!  8)

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Thanks for the reply.

Just 2 more questions (still free right?)

DACX will be like the other crowdfunding platforms out there.
DACX won't be using BitAssets (BITUSD, BITCNY etc...) for their crowdfunding, only FIAT?

And the Bitshares blockchain, will be used for trading those BDR's and thus providing liquidity?

If so this is great, I know a large crowdfunding platform in the Netherlands who has been promising to deliver a trading platform. But after 2 years they still haven't realised this. Major obstacle is the Dutch SEC.

On the contrary, DACx will try its best effort to raise funds in BitCNY/BitUSD, in that foreign investors may have borderless access to local investments with the help of Bitassets.   Recognizing there could be regulatory issues in doing so if DACx aims to be get licensed later, we will try to find ways out.  And DACx can really do that at least before the crowdfunding regulation steps in.

You are right the BitShares blockchain will work like a decentralized stock exchange for BDR trading to provide liquidity.  In essence, what DACx is about to do is "crypto-securitization".
 

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Thanks for the reply.

Just 2 more questions (still free right?)

DACX will be like the other crowdfunding platforms out there.
DACX won't be using BitAssets (BITUSD, BITCNY etc...) for their crowdfunding, only FIAT?

And the Bitshares blockchain, will be used for trading those BDR's and thus providing liquidity?

If so this is great, I know a large crowdfunding platform in the Netherlands who has been promising to deliver a trading platform. But after 2 years they still haven't realised this. Major obstacle is the Dutch SEC.

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Very nice, you've got my vote.

Couple of questions though:
PLAY is using your platform for their crowdfunding at the moment.
What's the difference with other IPO's so far, except for being listed on DACX?

Once shares are sold and traded on the BTS platform, how will shareholders be able to withdraw them?
Just by direct sending? Would this make every project crowd funded on DACX a BitShares Asset?

Edit: I guess there is no need to withdraw shares from regular companies.
But how will this work for crypto related projects?

There seem to be some misunderstanding on how DACx has been working for PLA’s crowdfunding.  Let me introduce myself first, I'm the legal counsel of DACx and also advised on PLAY's crowdfundig.  I would like to take this opportunity to clarify DACx’s role generally.

DACx is primarily an advisor and underwriter insofar as PLAY’s crowdfunding is concerned.  DACx's services focus on the publicity matters as well as overseeing and holding the bitcoins raised until the funding window is closed.  It should be noted that DACx doesn’t take any PLAY Shares (“PLS”) from the PLAY Foundation for subsequent distribution among the contributors.  Instead, each contributor should manually claim PLS by importing the private key of his bitcoin sending address, just like what he did in claiming BTS months ago.  No singe PLS will be passed on to the contributors via DACx.  So no PLS withdrawal needs to be made from DACx.

Therefore, you can say that there is no substantial difference between PLAY crowdfunding and many other crypto-IPO such as BTS MUSIC.

On the other hand, contributors who are familiar with crypto-assets may engage ZAFED Corporation (a separate legal entity) to make the contribution in bitcoin and claim the PLS rewards.  Yet this has nothing to do with DACx, which is crowdfunding platform acting on behalf of the project initiator.

For the questions on your second post:

(1) it seems my answer above is selfexplanatory.  No trust or the like is there at all, nor is it needed for PLAY's crowdfunding.

(2) PLAY's crowdfunding has nothing to do with BitShares blockchain (apart from the PLS to be allocated to the BTS holders, which are not part of the crowdfunding rewards). 

However, DACx is also set to do equity crowdfunding for startup companies (as opposed to crypto-coins).  In that case, there will be a separate custodian (instead of DACx itself) to hold the shares in the funded company on behalf of the contributors, backed by "Bit-Depositary-Receipt" ("BDR") issued to them on BitShares blockchain.  Each BDR represents a fractional ownership to the underlying equity interest in the funded company, which will be honored by the said custodian.  Moreover, the custodian and each contributor will sign a binding legal instrument to formalize that arrangement to ensure the BDR legally enforceable.

Here you can see BitShares blockchain will serve as the public ledger to record all the BDRs issued against the underlying equity crowdfunded.  Such records will be conclusive, as backed by binding legal instruments.

(3) In China, there are only stock exchanges with tiered boards such as the main board, growth enterprise board and so forth.  No official crowdfunding platform has been set up, nor will there be.  The Chinese government is going to drive private crowdfunding platforms to grow (subject to official license), thanks to the recent legislative development in this regard.  Of course, hurdles and bureaucracies are foreseeable for DACx to apply for the relevant official permit after the crowdfunding regulation takes effect.  Yet we are committed to that pursuit anyway to boost the application of BitShares.  While the crowdfunding regulation isn't yet officially promulgated, the sponsors of DACx have been approaching major players in the securities sector of China in view of a close partnership on setting up a fully legalized crowdfunding platform. 

And even in the worst case scenario that DACx fails to get licensed eventually, it can still utilize BitShares blockchain to do reward/charitable crowdfunding, in that only equity crowdfunding is expected to be regulated.
   

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The parts I understood are amazing!  +5%

But maybe you can help to clarify a few remaining questions:

1. How exactly does that legal mechanism work? Is this about correct: A trust holds the shares of the actual investors and the actual investors are given some specific user issued assets on Bitshares? Why does this help? The trust just replaces the company. I obviously didn't completely understand this yet :)
Can you elaborate on the exact process?

2. What role does the BitShares blockchain have exactly for DACX? Are BitAssets (the market pegged assets, no the user issued assets) used?

3. Did I read that right that the Chinese officials have also launched a crowd funding platform which has the disadvantage that companies that want to get funded and (?) investors have to go through a lot of bureaucratic processes. How do you think the Chinese government let DACX pass if DACX is a competitor to their platform and does not have those regulatory/bureaucratic requirements? This is probably related to question (1).

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Very nice, you've got my vote.

Couple of questions though:
PLAY is using your platform for their crowdfunding at the moment.
What's the difference with other IPO's so far, except for being listed on DACX?

Once shares are sold and traded on the BTS platform, how will shareholders be able to withdraw them?
Just by direct sending? Would this make every project crowd funded on DACX a BitShares Asset?

Edit: I guess there is no need to withdraw shares from regular companies.
But how will this work for crypto related projects?

they mostly do it for regular companies , real businesses .
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Very nice, you've got my vote.

Couple of questions though:
PLAY is using your platform for their crowdfunding at the moment.
What's the difference with other IPO's so far, except for being listed on DACX?

Once shares are sold and traded on the BTS platform, how will shareholders be able to withdraw them?
Just by direct sending? Would this make every project crowd funded on DACX a BitShares Asset?

Edit: I guess there is no need to withdraw shares from regular companies.
But how will this work for crypto related projects?
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James internet nickname is Prince right?

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It is hard to emphasize how big this is.  +5%
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DACx will be serving the role of investment banks, providing financial service and solution package.
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Do you need a license to do this? Who are your target audience?
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Fantastic! I'd vote for this at 110%. Who needs Overstock when we have DACx?

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+1 Would it be possible to add specifics in showing how the funds will be spent?


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I think for a project like this , having a delegate is not for funding rather than recognition for both parties .

The funding can not even pay for 1/10 of the rent of this project , judging by the office place they mentioned above .

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Crowdfunding on a blockchain. Excellent.  +5%

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+1 Would it be possible to add specifics in showing how the funds will be spent?


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Nice  +5% hope to see this grow
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Hey everyone. Long time no see. I am James Gong, aslo known as Baozou (Rampaging Prince Gong) in the Chinese community.

Recently there is a lot of focus on the business of payment through cryptocurrency, though I see great potential in international payment through cryptocurrency, I still believe it will not stimulate large-scale personal demand for any application to have a sustainable growth. However the need to raise capital and to invest is there every day and numerous barriers to go from Angel, to VC, to PE and securities regulatory committee is a process only few can scrape through, if my team and I manage to shorten the tunnel and lower the cost, it would really solve problems and create values to the world.

On November 19th, the Chinese Premier Li Keqiang held the state executive conference of the state council, demanding to construct a speed micro-finance system in the capital market and first proposed a pilot program of "equity crowdfunding". In China, in order to get listed, companies need to go through years of complex procedures and limits, causing the small and medium sized companies' difficulties in capital raising, which explained a lot why all these crowdfunding platforms mushroomed in the past year. My team and I are pushing forward our own crowdfunding platform DACx, in the hope to take crowdfunding platforms to the next step: the facilitation of exit after investment.

The liquidity of capital is what investors care about the most, if an investment has very limited exit channels, or worse, when the investors are not sure how to get out later, they will not even consider this particular investment. The exit of investors is a demanding, time-sensitive and very hard job to be done. Any centralized exchange that is yet approved by the government would face huge pressure and legal risks, as evidenced in the last couple attempts occurred in China with the ending of none standing still. However, the block chain technology offers unprecedented opportunities as it will belong to no country and it has no centralized servers or operational institutions to be destroyed.

Hence, what DACx is different from all the uprising crowdfunding programs in and outside of our crypto-currency world, is that DACx not only offers platform that allows investors throughout the world to easily give in for programs on a decentralized crypto-asset platform, it gives investors the right to exit from the first day, and this might be first in the history. This feature might also attract traditional VCs and PEs as they need to go through an extended period of time in roder to get back their investment. Furthermore, liquidity adds more value to the shares. The prices of shares that can be traded in an open market is a world different from those that are not. A quick look into the legal persons’ shares or the price gap between PTS and AGS can help with the picture here.                   

DACx has done a thorough research on protocols of the decentralized crypto-assets and came to the conclusion that BitShares can best suit our purposes. First of all, on BitShares, it's easy to issue BTA (BitAssets) that can be traded globally on the decentralized built-in exchange based on the block chain technology. Secondly, BitShares holders formed a caring and hardworking community that passed many real-world tests in the process of its development. Furthermore, the circulation of BitCNY and BitUSD and other BitAssets that are pegged to its fiat counterparties made BitShares even more ideal for a global crowdfunding technology. Because investors would hardly invest using a crypto-currency like Bitcoin that is notoriously volatile, because despite all of its benefits including the convenience when making international transactions, as then they would be facing a complicated combination of two risks. BitCNY and BitUSD come in very handy in this situation as first, the investment and settlement can be done in the traditional sense of fiat currency and the value carried by them could still flow all around the world barrier-free and second, acceptance dealers would allow investors to invest without really holding a geeky wallet thus welcoming more people who are not familiar with the cryptocurrency idea.

After the crowdfunding process, investors can trade their shares on the decentralized built-in exchange on the first day. For DACx, it would serve as a supporting platform for small and medium sized companies, various projects and programs to meet their investors of a spectrum of capital size. For BitShares, DACx will take the most advantage of the protocol, profoundly promote its brand and usage.

That is why DACx will help traditional companies to issue their own shares using the BitShares technology. We have already launched the crowdfunding of the first project "BitShares PLAY" on our platform, raising more than 2,500,000 RMB in the first week. In order to legally protect our investors we need fundraisers to transfer their shares or rights to earnings to be held in trust of a equity trust company who will release issue BTA. In this case, the legal share holder of the shares given out to investors is the equity trust company, who will claim all the rights of investors.

Standing from this point of view, we believe this has a shot of becoming the killer app of the block chain. To simplify capital raising and investment in a global scale will be truly extraordinary. Fundraising globally is not a novelty in the industry of mining, but it remains too geeky to the outside world. DACx seeks to standardize and simplify the whole process to benefit more with the invention of the block chain technology by making this inside game a smooth channel for funding for more in need.

DACx will be serving the role of investment banks, providing financial service and solution package. Since DACx itself is not an exchange, so it will not bear too many legal controversies, and at the same time upon the advice of our legal team, DACx will follow the case of ADR to provide a BDR (Bit Depositary Receipt’s) to crowdfund in order to avoid unnecessary legal problems.

This project has jumpstarted in our office that is based in Xintiandi, Shanghai since last year after we got our seed investment from a world famous VC. The team consists of experts in the cryptocurrency industry, professionals from traditional investment banks like Merrill Lynch and seasoned legal team in the crypto-financial services.

On behalf of DACx, I've made the decision to run for 100% delegate. Beginning from the translation of BitShares whitepaper, I have been a believer and a promoter till now, and now combined with DACx team's contribution, what our coherent would do for the promotion and devleopment of Bitshares will be even greater in every endeavor in a very long time. I wish for the support from the community.

None of what we are trying to do can happen without the contribution of the whole community and the BitShares technology. I'd like to express my sincere gratitude.

Our Delegate: dacx.baozou
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