$1,000 = 30,000 new users

[kokojie]

it has to be at least $1 per tip, or no one will bother. So $1000 will bring potentially 1000 users.

But of course some of them will just cash out to BTC and never come back, but still, a good idea.

[Chronos]

If somebody gives me a $0.03 tip, I'm probably going to NOT register for their project/client. $0.03 BitUSD is NOT an incentive for most people to even open an email.

I was going to say this. $0.03 is approximately no money. I can't think of much I would do for $0.03 besides pick it up off the ground. I doubt many people would download software for $0.03.

[bluebit]

new account numbers are meaningless. I can give you 300,000 new users with 1000USD.

what we need are not just new users, we need new users that can get interested in the system, and intend to understand it, and be able to understand it at last.

what we need is  to be heard, to be understood, and to be followed. It's not that easy.

sure it is, throw a penny in the street and someone will pick it up, sometimes you need to lure them in with a little bit of bait , hehehe

[callmeluc]

new account numbers are meaningless. I can give you 300,000 new users with 1000USD.

what we need are not just new users, we need new users that can get interested in the system, and intend to understand it, and be able to understand it at last.

what we need is  to be heard, to be understood, and to be followed. It's not that easy.

[TurkeyLeg]

If somebody gives me a $0.03 tip, I'm probably going to NOT register for their project/client. $0.03 BitUSD is NOT an incentive for most people to even open an email.

[matt608]

That shows how much they know ... they think I'm a "valid user".

So what do we have to do to stay unbanned?  Read other threads, or what?

From nullstreet:


matt608
Jan 5 Argentina
Edited 3 weeks ago by matt608

    @onceuponatime But @Method-X said his account had a ton of karma!

It can still get banned, but it takes longer, you can get away with a lot more. Mine is 7 years old and still ok. I'll be more careful after this shadowban spree.

Some easy ways to get karma:
- get the scoop on a bitcoin story. As soon as a coindesk article comes out, pounce on it and submit it to r/bitcoin. Don't post it here, you want real votes from bitcoiners to give you karma.

- You could sign up for google alerts for bitcoin and get yourself a bunch of fresh links to submit. Don't submit more than 1-2 a day. Do that for a week and you'll probably get enough upvotes for your account to be able to do a load of BitShares voting for weeks or more.

- Use account for other interests outside of crypto. Google alerts again could give you scoop.

- Don't upvote any old pro-BitShares comment when it already has a ton of upvotes, be selective.

We need at least 10 moderately high karma accounts ready to vote at all times, then we can get onto r/bitcoin front page anytime we have worthy content for it. We've been doing really well at it so far :)

You can still get shadowbanned even with good karma, since posting this I was shadowbanned (but have 2 more accounts with a bit of karma already up).  I wouldn't commit too heavily to one account.

[gamey]

In theory if we have one bump thread you click notify and bitsharestalk has your email then you'll get notified via that email addr.  Only other thing you can do is add texting.. there are email -> texting gateways but you usually can't change your email without validating it..

[onceuponatime]

I'm always ready to vote, would be great to get an alert when to vote for something.

Check out here from time to time: 

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=70.0

[bluebit]

I'm always ready to vote, would be great to get an alert when to vote for something.

[carpet ride]

Copy and paste links into browser to avoid shadow banning


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[onceuponatime]

That shows how much they know ... they think I'm a "valid user".

So what do we have to do to stay unbanned?  Read other threads, or what?

From nullstreet:


matt608
Jan 5 Argentina
Edited 3 weeks ago by matt608

    @onceuponatime But @Method-X said his account had a ton of karma!

It can still get banned, but it takes longer, you can get away with a lot more. Mine is 7 years old and still ok. I'll be more careful after this shadowban spree.

Some easy ways to get karma:
- get the scoop on a bitcoin story. As soon as a coindesk article comes out, pounce on it and submit it to r/bitcoin. Don't post it here, you want real votes from bitcoiners to give you karma.

- You could sign up for google alerts for bitcoin and get yourself a bunch of fresh links to submit. Don't submit more than 1-2 a day. Do that for a week and you'll probably get enough upvotes for your account to be able to do a load of BitShares voting for weeks or more.

- Use account for other interests outside of crypto. Google alerts again could give you scoop.

- Don't upvote any old pro-BitShares comment when it already has a ton of upvotes, be selective.

We need at least 10 moderately high karma accounts ready to vote at all times, then we can get onto r/bitcoin front page anytime we have worthy content for it. We've been doing really well at it so far :)

[onceuponatime]

That shows how much they know ... they think I'm a "valid user".

So what do we have to do to stay unbanned?  Read other threads, or what?

From nullstreet  Upvote / Bump / Comment Requests

matt608
Jan 5 Argentina
Edited 3 weeks ago by matt608

It's worth creating new accounts and building them up. Don't just upvote on stuff from here, pad those votes out with upvotes and comments on other things. Submit links with your account too, don't just upvote. The new karma needs to keep coming in, from other subreddits is ok too. If you have other interests (gasp!) you could get karma by being active in those subreddits, and then use that same account to vote for these links. Account churn is to be expected, but of course the aim is to keep is as low as possible.

[Stan]

That shows how much they know ... they think I'm a "valid user".

So what do we have to do to stay unbanned?  Read other threads, or what?

[onceuponatime]

well not all articles, how do I know if I'm shadow banned, what's that?

Method-X
"It means we've been flagged by their algorithm as an upvote brigade. Which is exactly what we are... It's too bad, my account had a ton of karma."

Method-X
Jan 5 Administrator

    @onceuponatime Were you upvoting only, or commenting too? How will I know if I am shadowbanned?

Log out and go to http://www.reddit.com/user/YourUsername/

[bluebit]

I just checked, I'm not shadow banned :) http://shadowbancheck.appspot.com/

[bluebit]

well not all articles, how do I know if I'm shadow banned, what's that?

[onceuponatime]

Also, I built some karma recently with my submission: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tje0n/i_wake_up_to_read_my_wallstreet_journal_to_see/

And I'm voting up all of Bitshares articles on r/Bitcoin

I'm here to help Bitshares, I believe we can do it!!!

If you are voting up ALL Bitshares articles and nothing else, you'd better check to see if you have been shadow banned. A lot of us were.

[bluebit]

Also, I built some karma recently with my submission: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tje0n/i_wake_up_to_read_my_wallstreet_journal_to_see/

And I'm voting up all of Bitshares articles on r/Bitcoin

I'm here to help Bitshares, I believe we can do it!!!

[donkeypong]

It would be nice to build up Reddit, but our sub is not unique when you look at others. Peercoin and NXT are dead on there, too, but they both have active forums outside of Reddit, as we do also here. Some others, such as Doge, make heavier use of their Reddit sub.

[bluebit]

I'd like to create a community BitUSD Pot Jar. donkeypong has already expressed interest in donating and I'm sure other users would donate as well if it means more users on Reddit. Each new Bitshares subscriber get's a percentage of the pot, I say 5 cents is plenty. Once we have over 30,000 users on Bitshares Reddit we look more attractive than our current 760 users.

I don't know how to create a Pot Jar, maybe someone here can help me.


Great point donkeypong: We can improve the odds by tipping the right people!!!

[donkeypong]

I agree it's worth a try. Maybe not with a big outlay, but once the infrastructure is more friendly for them here, it's low risk with some possibility of reward.

If tipping is your method for this, though, you can improve the odds a great deal by tipping the right people.

[Troglodactyl]

well, we can increase to 5 cent tips, that should be enough. I've seen lots of users beg just to get any tip. And they will need to download the wallet in order to use their tip. Which means that step 1 download the wallet is already completed. They might later browse around and decide to play with the wallet.

People who are begging for 5 cent tips are not users who will put value into the system IMO. They won't hurt, but they're not going to help anything.

Viral marketing doesn't require powerful hosts.  As long as they're able to carry and transmit the "virus", they're definitely worth something.

How much is difficult to predict, but you never know when someone begging for 5 cent tips has a massive social network.  How many people who could put value into the system know about Dogecoin vs BitShares?

EDIT: I'm not saying we should drop everything (or anything for that matter) to pursue this, but I'd certainly encourage anyone who wants to do this sort of thing rather than discouraging them.

[cass]

well, we can increase to 5 cent tips, that should be enough. I've seen lots of users beg just to get any tip. And they will need to download the wallet in order to use their tip. Which means that step 1 download the wallet is already completed. They might later browse around and decide to play with the wallet.

People who are begging for 5 cent tips are not users who will put value into the system IMO. They won't hurt, but they're not going to help anything.

+5%

[cass]

If all 100 delegates decided to give $100 in tips ($1000 total) to every new Bitshares subscriber at 3 cents per tip BitUSD

guess you mean $10000 

[gamey]

well, we can increase to 5 cent tips, that should be enough. I've seen lots of users beg just to get any tip. And they will need to download the wallet in order to use their tip. Which means that step 1 download the wallet is already completed. They might later browse around and decide to play with the wallet.

People who are begging for 5 cent tips are not users who will put value into the system IMO. They won't hurt, but they're not going to help anything.

[bluebit]

well, we can increase to 5 cent tips, that should be enough. I've seen lots of users beg just to get any tip. And they will need to download the wallet in order to use their tip. Which means that step 1 download the wallet is already completed. They might later browse around and decide to play with the wallet.

[arhag]

oops well my math is off jejeje

It's not just the math though. It's the assumption that a 3 cent tip is at all meaningful. At 3 cents that is just enough to cover registration of the account, which we already have (http://faucet.bitshares.org/).

Better than just throwing money at the problem and hoping it will result in conversions, we need to lower the barriers to entry. This means we need a stable lightweight client that people can quickly start using. We can also make use of reddit/twitter tip bots. Then, I think people would voluntarily start tipping people on these social networks and the tip bot would provide a link to a guide explaining how easy it is to register and use the lightweight client to claim the funds, which would significantly help with user adoption.

[bluebit]

oops well my math is off jejeje

[joele]

I don't follow your figures

$100 x 100 delegates = $10,000
$10,000 / 3 cents tip = 333,333 users

[arhag]

$1,000 = 30,000 new users

If all 100 delegates decided to give $100 $10 in tips ($1000 total) to every new Bitshares subscriber at 3 cents per tip BitUSD

we could have an extra 30,000 users (assuming a 3 cent tip to a unique person was enough to convince them to try BitShares with at least a 90% conversion rate), I'd love to see the community on Bitshares Reddit grow, it's barely even growing, sometimes not doing anything.

FTFY

[bluebit]

Where do your figures come from? Do we know what the average user's average deposit would be? If you're crowdfunding it, some of us non-delegates might chip in also. But this really only makes sense once we have a 1.0 client and the website is all done.

30,000 divided by 1000 = .03

[LRENZ]

Nice idea but how do you get legitimate newcomers and not scammers gameing the system?

[donkeypong]

Where do your figures come from? Do we know what the average user's average deposit would be? If you're crowdfunding it, some of us non-delegates might chip in also. But this really only makes sense once we have a 1.0 client and the website is all done.

[bluebit]

$1,000 = 30,000 new users

If all 100 delegates decided to give $100 in tips ($1000 total) to every new Bitshares subscriber at 3 cents per tip BitUSD

we could have an extra 30,000 users, I'd love to see the community on Bitshares Reddit grow, it's barely even growing, sometimes not doing anything.