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BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« on: January 30, 2015, 05:55:49 PM »

https://www.dropbox.com/s/coqanbomoxc7xv5/Mumble-2015-01-30-09-03-39-vx31.commandchannel.com-Mixdown.ogg?dl=0

unedited version of our hangout (went a little over guys...warning, this got a little heated!)
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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 07:37:24 PM »
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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 09:39:54 PM »
Oh god, the game/bingo thing is a terrible idea.
I don't want that thing on my wallet, because I'll probably end up playing, even if I don't want to. Promoting addictive behaviors is bad.

Is it me, or did the focus changed from "we'll give freedom to everybody" to "making BitShares fun". We don't need anything else than 1) a focus on marketing BitAssets 2) a good user experience for the wallet.

Now I'm pissed off 
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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2015, 09:40:57 PM »
Oh god, the game/bingo thing is a terrible idea.
I don't want that thing on my wallet, because I'll probably end up playing, even if I don't want to. Promoting addictive behaviors is bad.

Is it me, or did the focus changed from "we'll give freedom to everybody" to "making BitShares fun". We don't need anything else than 1) a focus on marketing BitAssets 2) a good user experience for the wallet.

Now I'm pissed off

Go play bingo... it's a stress reliever

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 10:10:37 PM »
Oh god, the game/bingo thing is a terrible idea.
I don't want that thing on my wallet, because I'll probably end up playing, even if I don't want to. Promoting addictive behaviors is bad.

Is it me, or did the focus changed from "we'll give freedom to everybody" to "making BitShares fun". We don't need anything else than 1) a focus on marketing BitAssets 2) a good user experience for the wallet.

Now I'm pissed off

Funny, I was pretty pissed off that people thought it was a bad idea. I want to own a casino. I despise government sanctioned gambling and lotteries, I would very much prefer having that profit going to me.

So how are these sort of things resolved? A shareholder vote? Or do we vote in some gambling delegate?

I feel like the full wallet should have everything in it (with a toggle switch in the settings for the people afraid of gambling) and then the light wallets would be more specialized, like a bitBingo app or whatever.

I would prefer it being poker as most of the gambling addicts I know of prefer that, but bingo is a good start.

What about prediction markets? Like betting on how much rain will fall in Toronto tomorrow or betting that harper will win the election in October? Is that going to be possible/happen? Sports betting as well of course.

Isn't that exactly what bitshares is now? A prediction market? I guess the delegates would have make the decisions on which side of the bet was right.

The first bet should be 'will the government try to crack down on this?'

I found the nervous Nellie's who were worried about the bitUSD for gambling the most frustrating. Like the gambling would be the straw to break the camel's back. I will admit to being surprised that bitUSD was allowed to exist, but it does, and I think it's crazy to try to limit its uses.

How could anyone into bitshares not know about the mining pool?

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2015, 10:22:10 PM »
Oh god, the game/bingo thing is a terrible idea.
I don't want that thing on my wallet, because I'll probably end up playing, even if I don't want to. Promoting addictive behaviors is bad.

Is it me, or did the focus changed from "we'll give freedom to everybody" to "making BitShares fun". We don't need anything else than 1) a focus on marketing BitAssets 2) a good user experience for the wallet.

Now I'm pissed off

Go play bingo... it's a stress reliever

And this is why it is a good idea, even those who don't like it will be tempted to play.  They are tempted because it gives them something they want.  The result will be added BitUSD yield which will drive more people into BitUSD which will drive up BTS which will ultimately fund more freedom related tools.

1) we cannot give people freedom if we cannot make money in the market
2) making it fun will increase adoption like facebook games. 
3) what good is freedom if you cannot have fun getting there?

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 10:37:45 PM »
1) we cannot give people freedom if we cannot make money in the market
2) making it fun will increase adoption like facebook games. 
3) what good is freedom if you cannot have fun getting there?

1) We have countless ways to make money that are unique to BitShares. Gambling is not one of those in which BitShares competitive. Especially with the bad user experience. However in the end of the mumble you made it clear that gambling will come after, and that user experience is indeed the focus - I'm reassured on that.
2) Well, bingo can hardly be called fun in the 21th century. Facebook games are more fun, and more addictive, for whatever reasons.
3) I guess/hope you don't really want to defend that. Bingo is a brainless addictive thingie - not exactly the golden route to freedom, nor to fun.
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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 11:03:00 PM »
I know several people that play bingo for money multiple times per week.   I know others that play bingo every time they go on a cruise!   It is "entertaining" in the same way as TV.

It is mindless....  but you know what... so are most people ;)

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 11:09:38 PM »
Controversy about god knows what! Makes me want to listen even more.
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BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 11:28:20 PM »
In light of this effort into bingo all I can say is I hope someone grilled you on air for your lack of marketing encouragement lately. This project needs marketers asap.  Bitcoin had mining.  Mining is inflation to pay marketers/evangelists.  Bts inflation is meant for the same thing.  . MethodX has put his efforts on the backburner.  Hpenvy has completely cooled off.  Both because there is only a tiny amount of money for marketing *and absolutely zero dollars for marketers.*. Devs are only ones who can apparently *get paid*. How about putting some support where it should be.  Why is it Tech guys always think tech does the marketing, when it flat out doesn't.  Dollars do the marketing.  We need dollars for marketers and dollars for marketing.

Case in point:
Inflation = mining
Mining = marketing
Mining = Bitcoin popularity
 Inflation = dollars to spend

If we spend our inflation dollars on marketing, then we get BitShares popularity.

If you want this damn to thing to take off before BitShares music grabs the spotlight, then elect in the remaining 75 delegates and pay for marketing, as well as marketers.  That would be leadership.  Don't let this ship sink.

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 11:34:19 PM »

I know several people that play bingo for money multiple times per week.   I know others that play bingo every time they go on a cruise!   It is "entertaining" in the same way as TV.

It is mindless....  but you know what... so are most people ;)

so apparently you know several people and those people occasionally play bingo.  This is an absurd way to justify bingo development.

I think gambling may be a great angle.  But this is just an absurd approach.


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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 11:44:14 PM »
I didn't listen to the hangout but from what I get, you want to create a gambling game within the client? If that's it, I disagree. I thought the main objective was to make a decentralized exchange. This will only add more work and will only be a distraction that imo, doesn't fit in at all, it seems kind of random and something out of context, that just shouldn't be there.

Those kind of things should go for Play. That's why we are having a Play chain, to create games. Not in the BitShares client. First things first. I'm really afraid this will just be a useless distraction that will only make it harder to achieve our objectives.
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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2015, 11:53:45 PM »
Everyone has pet features. Mine is lsmr prediction markets.

As long as this is just an idea for when we have more bandwidth then whatever.

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2015, 11:55:41 PM »
Maybe we can hook up some iPads in senior centers.

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Re: BeyondBitcoin hangout with Bytemaster 01-30-15
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2015, 12:08:54 AM »
lsmr prediction markets?

 

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