We are failing selling our products

[robrigo]

Not going to drop too many details.. but *cough* www.join.freebieservers.com *cough* 
More coming next month.

Link doesn't work for me.

Try this one http://join.freebieservers.com/

eSports is a huge market so maybe this will attract some talent that can learn about crypto from winning some.

[onceuponatime]

Not going to drop too many details.. but *cough* www.join.freebieservers.com *cough* 
More coming next month.

Link doesn't work for me.

[Xypher]

Not going to drop too many details.. but *cough* www.join.freebieservers.com *cough* 
More coming next month.

[Volker]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

+5% We don't want to tackle dark-markets because that would create legal exposure for delegates. We don't want to do stocks, because then we'd be exposed to securities laws. We don't want to do gambling products, because of how we're told Chinese regulators would react. We're trying to change branding from DAC to decentralized Co-op to further distinguish our intent. There's an issue here that's not being correctly addressed.

If someone can mine Silver and Gold to their doorstep instead of bitcoin, that might change.  Not positive though.  This is a very interesting thread.

Are you saying POW mining will bring in users?

Yeh...at least until Bitcoin dies from its inability to govern/fund itself.

Mining definitely adds users but I don't think miners are the most productive users for the ecosystem as a whole at the end of the day.

[fuzzy]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

+5% We don't want to tackle dark-markets because that would create legal exposure for delegates. We don't want to do stocks, because then we'd be exposed to securities laws. We don't want to do gambling products, because of how we're told Chinese regulators would react. We're trying to change branding from DAC to decentralized Co-op to further distinguish our intent. There's an issue here that's not being correctly addressed.

If someone can mine Silver and Gold to their doorstep instead of bitcoin, that might change.  Not positive though.  This is a very interesting thread.

Are you saying POW mining will bring in users?

Yeh...at least until Bitcoin dies from its inability to govern/fund itself.

[Ander]

Are you saying POW mining will bring in users?

Some.  Minebitshares was our #1 referrer.

[NewMine]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

+5% We don't want to tackle dark-markets because that would create legal exposure for delegates. We don't want to do stocks, because then we'd be exposed to securities laws. We don't want to do gambling products, because of how we're told Chinese regulators would react. We're trying to change branding from DAC to decentralized Co-op to further distinguish our intent. There's an issue here that's not being correctly addressed.

If someone can mine Silver and Gold to their doorstep instead of bitcoin, that might change.  Not positive though.  This is a very interesting thread.

Are you saying POW mining will bring in users?

[fuzzy]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

+5% We don't want to tackle dark-markets because that would create legal exposure for delegates. We don't want to do stocks, because then we'd be exposed to securities laws. We don't want to do gambling products, because of how we're told Chinese regulators would react. We're trying to change branding from DAC to decentralized Co-op to further distinguish our intent. There's an issue here that's not being correctly addressed.

If someone can mine Silver and Gold to their doorstep instead of bitcoin, that might change.  Not positive though.  This is a very interesting thread.

[julian1]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

+5% We don't want to tackle dark-markets because that would create legal exposure for delegates. We don't want to do stocks, because then we'd be exposed to securities laws. We don't want to do gambling products, because of how we're told Chinese regulators would react. We're trying to change branding from DAC to decentralized Co-op to further distinguish our intent. There's an issue here that's not being correctly addressed.

[Volker]

There may be a fundamental mismatch in the product and the customers who are likely to use BitShares. Cryptocurrency users are risk-taking technophiles. But the USD, EUR, CNY, GLD are all "old man" investments. Getting into the BitShares system in order to store my USD as a bitshares-based CFD and getting a 1-3% yield is not something that's interesting.

The old, conservative hard-money guys like Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers who like gold are not coming anywhere near something like BitShares. They don't even trust bitcoin. They would trust bitSILVER even less.

Honestly, I'd be far more interested in peer to peer lending on BitShares at usurious rates. Or trading exotic assets like leveraged Chinese tech stocks. I don't have access to those markets and they are thrilling. bitUSD isn't thrilling or lucrative to me. It looks good on paper, but how many of us actually want to hold bitUSD. Obviously not that many, given its market cap.

[Empirical1.2]

If you google 'BitUSD' 'BitShares' and most importantly 'BitGold' & choose 'videos' the little video I did comes up in the top 2 just because it has those terms in the title, despite only having a few views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video and BitMarkets videos get a lot of views so I've suggested he mentions BitShares, BitGold & BitUSD more in the titles or descriptions. He says a few like that are in the pipeline.

That video is a good/quick introduction to BitShares. I want to add fench sub titles on the video to include it in a project coming very soon.

Is somebody has a way to contact the video owner ? I tried it via youtube but I got no answers.

Thanks ;p

I made the video and posted it for fun, however it has quite a few copyright issues so I will probably have to take it down soon unfortunately.

I assume when you are long bts again you will make him the favor :P

Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D

I don't know what my responsibilities are with regard to some of the footage regarding copyright. I think the safest thing is just to take that one down and if I do make another BTS one in future it will be mainly graphics and stuff. 

[Thom]

Chinese side is an incorrect description .
Try investors side .

We can see that trend from both the BTC pair and CNY pair .

We as a community are good to each other , but to investors , their feeling is often ignored .
And we need to please both parties , both the community members from east&west , also those investors who have never set foot in this forum ( Chinese or not , it doesn't matter , investors all have the same mindset in any free market ) .

I've expressed when the price was 3X than what it is now .
We haven't lost much community members since then , but as you can see we're losing investors , even worse than some of the other projects .

We are losing the short sighted investors, the ones who just want to make a quick buck and dont see all bridges that BitShares is building.

wildPig, could you provide some examples of issues specific to Chinese investors (as opposed to Chinese community members)?

I do wonder as speedy said, about whether the concerns are only about profits. It takes real commitment and stamina to the BitShares vision to win the reward of seeing a profit. There will always be a tradeoff between the time required to realize a ROI vs. the time required to develop a quality product.

I also believe there are major differences in the philosophical perspectives of western investors and those in the east. The spirit of freedom birthed the blockchain, and it is being nurtured by those willing to make difficult choices and sacrifices to see the original precepts and fundamentals Satoshi Nakamoto envisioned come to fruition.

The current bear market in crypto and BitShares is sorting out who is willing to support the cause of financial freedom. So perhaps the loss of investors is as it needs to be.

But I am interested in your opinion of what you think the Chinese investor is looking for that is lacking, aside from profit. Obviously that is currently lacking. The question is what does the avg. Chinese investor believe are the reasons for that are?

[liondani]

If you google 'BitUSD' 'BitShares' and most importantly 'BitGold' & choose 'videos' the little video I did comes up in the top 2 just because it has those terms in the title, despite only having a few views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video and BitMarkets videos get a lot of views so I've suggested he mentions BitShares, BitGold & BitUSD more in the titles or descriptions. He says a few like that are in the pipeline.

That video is a good/quick introduction to BitShares. I want to add fench sub titles on the video to include it in a project coming very soon.

Is somebody has a way to contact the video owner ? I tried it via youtube but I got no answers.

Thanks ;p

I made the video and posted it for fun, however it has quite a few copyright issues so I will probably have to take it down soon unfortunately.

I assume when you are long bts again you will make him the favor :P

Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D

[Empirical1.2]

If you google 'BitUSD' 'BitShares' and most importantly 'BitGold' & choose 'videos' the little video I did comes up in the top 2 just because it has those terms in the title, despite only having a few views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video and BitMarkets videos get a lot of views so I've suggested he mentions BitShares, BitGold & BitUSD more in the titles or descriptions. He says a few like that are in the pipeline.

That video is a good/quick introduction to BitShares. I want to add fench sub titles on the video to include it in a project coming very soon.

Is somebody has a way to contact the video owner ? I tried it via youtube but I got no answers.

Thanks ;p

I made the video and posted it for fun, however it has quite a few copyright issues so I will probably have to take it down soon unfortunately.

[EstefanTT]

If you google 'BitUSD' 'BitShares' and most importantly 'BitGold' & choose 'videos' the little video I did comes up in the top 2 just because it has those terms in the title, despite only having a few views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video and BitMarkets videos get a lot of views so I've suggested he mentions BitShares, BitGold & BitUSD more in the titles or descriptions. He says a few like that are in the pipeline.

That video is a good/quick introduction to BitShares. I want to add fench sub titles on the video to include it in a project coming very soon.

Is somebody has a way to contact the video owner ? I tried it via youtube but I got no answers.

Thanks ;p

[speedy]

Chinese side is an incorrect description .
Try investors side .

We can see that trend from both the BTC pair and CNY pair .

We as a community are good to each other , but to investors , their feeling is often ignored .
And we need to please both parties , both the community members from east&west , also those investors who have never set foot in this forum ( Chinese or not , it doesn't matter , investors all have the same mindset in any free market ) .

I've expressed when the price was 3X than what it is now .
We haven't lost much community members since then , but as you can see we're losing investors , even worse than some of the other projects .

We are losing the short sighted investors, the ones who just want to make a quick buck and dont see all bridges that BitShares is building.

[graffenwalder]

people just are leaving bts.

some particular happending on the chinese side?

Chinese side is an incorrect description .
Try investors side .

We can see that trend from both the BTC pair and CNY pair .

We as a community are good to each other , but to investors , their feeling is often ignored .
And we need to please both parties , both the community members from east&west , also those investors who have never set foot in this forum ( Chinese or not , it doesn't matter , investors all have the same mindset in any free market ) .

I've expressed when the price was 3X than what it is now .
We haven't lost much community members since then , but as you can see we're losing investors , even worse than some of the other projects .

Yeah, I'm afraid you're right.
With the recent decline i thought it was someone, trying to get the price down, to get into those massive expired shorts. But volume on btc38 is really dropping fast everyday. We are only at 120.000 cny volume now, not long ago this was 10x that.

[btswildpig]

people just are leaving bts.

some particular happending on the chinese side?

Chinese side is an incorrect description .
Try investors side .

We can see that trend from both the BTC pair and CNY pair .

We as a community are good to each other , but to investors , their feeling is often ignored .
And we need to please both parties , both the community members from east&west , also those investors who have never set foot in this forum ( Chinese or not , it doesn't matter , investors all have the same mindset in any free market ) .

I've expressed when the price was 3X than what it is now .
We haven't lost much community members since then , but as you can see we're losing investors , even worse than some of the other projects .

[santaclause102]

people just are leaving bts.

some particular happending on the chinese side?

[xeroc]

people just are leaving bts.

Why so? Please enlighten us

[xiahui135]

people just are leaving bts.

[cube]

I think Chinese goes to bts.hk instead of bitshares official homepage.

I believe that is the case. Good find.

[clayop]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Now South Korea is No.1  :D

I'm skeptical of this.  There are no China users?  They should be #2, if not #1.  Possibly they are vpning through Korea.

My thoughts exactly.

I think Chinese goes to bts.hk instead of bitshares official homepage.

[cusknee]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Now South Korea is No.1  :D

I'm skeptical of this.  There are no China users?  They should be #2, if not #1.  Possibly they are vpning through Korea.

My thoughts exactly.

[xiahui135]

i come from china. i am not using a vpn.

[Bitcoinfan]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Now South Korea is No.1  :D

I'm skeptical of this.  There are no China users?  They should be #2, if not #1.  Possibly they are vpning through Korea. 

[Volker]

Adding liquidity to bitassets is the first step in making them attractive and usable.

Today, your average American can't personally go to a bank and get Chinese paper cash.
Today, your average Chinese can't easily invest in TSLA or AAPL stock.

These things are going to go from difficult-slash-impossible to trivial once the bitasset versions of these things have enough liquidity.

I really like the CFSCOIN initiative. They have a business plan where they can profit from adding liquidity to bitGOLD with trading bots. Hopefully it works. Then just do it for everything else that people conceivably want to trade.

[clayop]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Now South Korea is No.1  :D

[LRENZ]

BitsharesTV needs to eventually become like World Crypto Network channel  where they have sub shows on different topics making 4  or 5 vids a week. Wish I had time to help but i work long hours at boring regular job for now :(

[LRENZ]

^ If next bitshares TV episode was with bytemaster going over the recent bitgold blog he made that would work well to promote it and interest a lot of people.

[Empirical1.2]

.... It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video

Now i think this has potential. Think about it - what if we created a really good and professional video for bitgold and promoted it wide and far. Really pushing home the truth about bitgold that differentiates us - where else can you earn interest on gold and hold it without counter party risk? - this could raise our profile in one move on places like youtube.  Maybe offer a free 1oz per day for a week or two in some sort of competition?

BM said we need to use the term BitGold more than our competition. What better way than a controversial, thought provoking, hard hitting professionally made video? Now we'd have to get it right first time. No screw ups.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes I'm pretty sure the BitGold.com  Eric Sprott is an investor in will probably have a BitGold video out as well soon. As I said the BitSharesTV videos get a lot of views so just one titled along the lines of 'BitGold by BitShares'  would be great & have a shot at the top spot in the meantime before we have a BitGold promotion video.

[faddat]

I very much like this idea of gateways.  I would like to suggest however that for ethical reasons we use stellar instead of ripple.  I went to a ripple presentation a few weeks ago and it truly made me want to puke " we are going to take this awesome tech and "civilize it".  No one and no tech wants to be civilized: too likely that one might awaken sans testicles....

Anyway.... Yes on gateways!

[nz]

@clayop I think you are absolutely right. We should start selling BitUSD and BitGold. I just bought the site whatisbitgold.com, its not finished. But would like to get feedback, or hack it yourself at github.com/kaibakker/whatisbitgold.com .

Good job. I like the site.  +5%

[nz]

.... It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video

Now i think this has potential. Think about it - what if we created a really good and professional video for bitgold and promoted it wide and far. Really pushing home the truth about bitgold that differentiates us - where else can you earn interest on gold and hold it without counter party risk? - this could raise our profile in one move on places like youtube.  Maybe offer a free 1oz per day for a week or two in some sort of competition?

BM said we need to use the term BitGold more than our competition. What better way than a controversial, thought provoking, hard hitting professionally made video? Now we'd have to get it right first time. No screw ups.

Just my 2 cents.

[clayop]

Way to sell, is way to serve.
Why not provide a service that many people need with bituSD or bitGold? Such as instant international money transfer.

To do this, bitusd gateways are needed absolutely. US marketing team should put their priority on this, IMHO.

[xiahui135]

Way to sell, is way to serve.
Why not provide a service that many people need with bituSD or bitGold? Such as instant international money transfer.

[Empirical1.2]

You're from South Korea clayop? I was really suprised to see according to Alexa, 25% of BitShares.org visitors are from there. I don't think they count China but still I think that must be a mistake.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Because I put much effort to advertising Bitshares in Korean crypto communities, I think this may be possible. Bitshares 101 Korean version is free and available online now, many people are contacting me with their problems, I regularly update about new client versions and important news. Should I increase my payrate?  :P

+5% +5% Wow, well done  8) If that trend keeps up, then you really should increase your payrate imo!

[clayop]

You're from South Korea clayop? I was really suprised to see according to Alexa, 25% of BitShares.org visitors are from there. I don't think they count China but still I think that must be a mistake.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Because I put much effort to advertising Bitshares in Korean crypto communities, I think this may be possible. Bitshares 101 Korean version is free and available online now, many people are contacting me with their problems, I regularly update about new client versions and important news. Should I increase my payrate?  :P

[Empirical1.2]

@clayop I think you are absolutely right. We should start selling BitUSD and BitGold. I just bought the site whatisbitgold.com, its not finished. But would like to get feedback, or hack it yourself at github.com/kaibakker/whatisbitgold.com .

+5% I think your site is a good idea. If you google BitUSD, WhatisBitUSD comes up as the 2nd result for me, whereas we aren't even on the first page for BitGold so that site could really help.

Of course yes we needed to advertise and sell it more too. I think runes cryptohedge will bring our BitGold a lot more attention. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=13904.0

[kaibakker]

@clayop I think you are absolutely right. We should start selling BitUSD and BitGold. I just bought the site whatisbitgold.com, its not finished. But would like to get feedback, or hack it yourself at github.com/kaibakker/whatisbitgold.com .

[Empirical1.2]

If you google 'BitUSD' 'BitShares' and most importantly 'BitGold' & choose 'videos' the little video I did comes up in the top 2 just because it has those terms in the title, despite only having a few views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

It would be great for BitShares to have the top BitGold video and BitMarkets videos get a lot of views so I've suggested he mentions BitShares, BitGold & BitUSD more in the titles or descriptions. He says a few like that are in the pipeline.

I'm not sure what's required to get BitShares higher in general search results though.

You're from South Korea clayop? I was really suprised to see according to Alexa, 25% of BitShares.org visitors are from there. I don't think they count China but still I think that must be a mistake.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Of course we need to start marketing more and strongly branding BitShares in general. I know the marketing delegates haven't had much of a budget released yet so there's still very minimal advertising.

[carpet ride]

Google Trends shows just a simple comparison, but it maybe interesting result and has a lot of implications for us.

Example: Apple vs. iPhone vs. Macbook
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=apple%2C%20iphone%2C%20macbook&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

Our result: Bitshares vs. BitUSD vs. BitGOLD (major part of bitgold is not from ours)
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitshares%2C%20bitusd%2C%20bitgold&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

IMHO, marketing team can do "Free BitUSD" giveaway with SNS viral marketing (i.e. people should post about BitUSD on facebook to get BitUSD) when our light-wallet, mobile wallet, or web wallet is launched.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitshares%2C%20decentralized%2C%20blockchain%2C%20distributed%2C%20p2p&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

[clayop]

Google Trends shows just a simple comparison, but it maybe interesting result and has a lot of implications for us.

Example: Apple vs. iPhone vs. Macbook
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=apple%2C%20iphone%2C%20macbook&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

Our result: Bitshares vs. BitUSD vs. BitGOLD (major part of bitgold is not from ours)
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitshares%2C%20bitusd%2C%20bitgold&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

IMHO, marketing team can do "Free BitUSD" giveaway with SNS viral marketing (i.e. people should post about BitUSD on facebook to get BitUSD) when our light-wallet, mobile wallet, or web wallet is launched.