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Please tell me I'm wrong about all this so I don't have to sell my bitshares and give up on what seem like such an amazing concept.I haven't heard much about marketing recently, what is the new team doing? Did Adam stop doing his "quick updates form Adam?" I suspect he is no longer working for bitshares as much, or maybe not at all. Please tell me I am wrong.
Mining bitUSD isn't gonna make a big difference I think. Most large miners instantly sell their blocks OTC for fiat already, or send them to an exchange account that automatically insta-dumps. Minebitshares only makes sense for people who are actual bitshares supporters. The thing we need to market is the light wallet with shapeshift. That's really the most important thing because it has the possibility to disrupt all bitcoin spending wallets and it's finally a product that can actually be sold on its own merit rather than visions and promises.
Quote from: Stan on February 04, 2015, 01:07:57 amMarketing shouldn't want or expect engineering to be growing the marketing department.Marketing simply wants engineering to deliver soon on needed features (UX/Lite Wallet/Stable release). Then they'll be really happy with engineering.
Marketing shouldn't want or expect engineering to be growing the marketing department.
"Nice" isn't exactly the word I would have used.(I'll avoid hyperbole, lest I be accused of hyperbole.)But this is what I was hoping for.Regardless of whether Music winds up spinning off its own chain eventually.They are contributing to our volume now.They are contributing to our network effect now.They are contributing to our user base now.They are contributing to our marketing hype now.And they are getting similar benefits from us.Synergy.Strength greater than the sum of its parts. That's very nice!
How about an invitation from engineering for marketers to join forces. Say hey, get a delegate to make videos of the team, or to write white papers, or both, and come to Blacksburg so we can make real candid documentation and collaborate on some excellent shit
Quote from: toast on February 04, 2015, 12:07:05 amIf it's its own blockchain, there will be a snapshot from NOTE UIA to the real NOTEs after the NOTE UIA is frozen. If it doesn't have its own blockchain, we'll be building whatever smart contract stuff they need into BTS directly. That is still not decided and it's not that important in the short term, this just lets people trade the snapshot.Okay... That's nice I suppose : / For a moment I was getting really excited about the possibility of a child DAC.
If it's its own blockchain, there will be a snapshot from NOTE UIA to the real NOTEs after the NOTE UIA is frozen. If it doesn't have its own blockchain, we'll be building whatever smart contract stuff they need into BTS directly. That is still not decided and it's not that important in the short term, this just lets people trade the snapshot.
Quote from: Carpet Ride on February 04, 2015, 12:32:05 amWho are the leaders growing in marketing? On null street I have only seen a great wax and wane. How about some transparency from Adam Earnest &, Lance Kasper? They are the only marketing guys getting paid that I am aware of. All other marketing guys volunteering time and are funneling funds back into the ecosystem but are not paid to pocket a cent.Rgcrypto, matt608, hpenvy (got us going on many contacts, including shapeshift I think), MethodX (though he has scaled back and is using his funds to support the others efforts).Also Rune's bizdev efforts with creating Cryptohedge.There is work starting on funds for a professional quality video to explain bitshares/bitassets that we can point people to.The people who have delegates are basically volunteering time and using the delegate funds to buy ads. They havent had much time to accumulate funds yet, and some of the projects require a stable release version before they can launch.
Who are the leaders growing in marketing? On null street I have only seen a great wax and wane. How about some transparency from Adam Earnest &, Lance Kasper? They are the only marketing guys getting paid that I am aware of. All other marketing guys volunteering time and are funneling funds back into the ecosystem but are not paid to pocket a cent.
Quote from: Carpet Ride on February 03, 2015, 09:41:57 pmIf people new what marketing initiatives were valued by leadership maybe more would get done Marketing initiatives are TOTALLY valued by the core developers.(Note that I did not say "leadership" since marketing is growing its own leaders.)We have great confidence in the people working there.It has allowed us to focus on other things for which we are, frankly, less incompetent.If we were micro-managing marketing, that would be an expression of no confidence.It should be obvious that just the opposite is true.
If people new what marketing initiatives were valued by leadership maybe more would get done
Quote from: arhag on February 03, 2015, 11:40:00 pmQuote from: toast on February 03, 2015, 10:16:52 pmI'm excited about NOTE snapshot being made liquid exclusively on BTS.What? How does that work? Details please.The NOTEs will be a UIA issued to the snapshot addresses. How else could it work?
Quote from: toast on February 03, 2015, 10:16:52 pmI'm excited about NOTE snapshot being made liquid exclusively on BTS.What? How does that work? Details please.
I'm excited about NOTE snapshot being made liquid exclusively on BTS.
Quote from: Rune on February 03, 2015, 10:09:23 pmMining bitUSD isn't gonna make a big difference I think. Most large miners instantly sell their blocks OTC for fiat already, or send them to an exchange account that automatically insta-dumps. Minebitshares only makes sense for people who are actual bitshares supporters. The thing we need to market is the light wallet with shapeshift. That's really the most important thing because it has the possibility to disrupt all bitcoin spending wallets and it's finally a product that can actually be sold on its own merit rather than visions and promises.Hmm. That shapeshift thing sounds cool. What is it all about and why s it top priority? I mean how does it disrupt these other wallets?
Quote from: Rune on February 03, 2015, 10:09:23 pmMining bitUSD isn't gonna make a big difference I think. Most large miners instantly sell their blocks OTC for fiat already, or send them to an exchange account that automatically insta-dumps. Maybe it wont do much, but it cannot hurt, it can only provide positive benefit.If it converts any amount of miners away from other coins then it results in buy pressure for BTS.Even if they sell every bit of BTS or bitUSD they get, it still results in more liquidity in the bitassets as they are buying and selling them.Minebitshares has a positive effect on helping bitshares outperform other cryptos. Whether that effect is tiny or big remains to be seen.
Mining bitUSD isn't gonna make a big difference I think. Most large miners instantly sell their blocks OTC for fiat already, or send them to an exchange account that automatically insta-dumps.
Maybe you're right it won't get too much traction, but I don't think it will hurt. We have it available so we should market it. Advertise everything we got. Every small bit helps.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on February 03, 2015, 09:38:20 pmQuote from: teenagecheese on February 03, 2015, 09:34:32 pmActually even if it's not ready it should be marketed heavily by the marketing team with an expected launch date, but from what I heard, it's already in operation.Looks like this weekend...https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6236.msg181670#msg181670This is precisely the type of stuff I think we could get all the marketing delegates working on pushing together. If they were to put their pet projects on hold for just a short period of time, have Cass make up a few awesome looking banners (which he has been known to do) we could see "mine for bitUSD" alllll over the place. If we don't do it, I assure you you will see a competitor like Nubits doing it...and guess what, they can print money out of thin air to fund it without nubit holder approval.
Quote from: teenagecheese on February 03, 2015, 09:34:32 pmActually even if it's not ready it should be marketed heavily by the marketing team with an expected launch date, but from what I heard, it's already in operation.Looks like this weekend...https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6236.msg181670#msg181670
Actually even if it's not ready it should be marketed heavily by the marketing team with an expected launch date, but from what I heard, it's already in operation.
Ethereum is currently massively overvalued (I don't remember if it was Rune or Fuzzy's analysis that the current price value them at $400 trillions in the end...), they will suffer the same problems as we do for months. We still have the best product. There are countless business that could thrive on easily usable BitAssets : let's get them out there.
Yeah, psychotherapy thread ! The premises haven't changed : we know that once the product is finished, it is the best. We know BitAssets work. This is huge. But everybody feels so bad. I guess it's the Bitcoin depression... if price was going % every day we would be ecstatic... and price is almost entirely dependent on Bitcoin. I would love the BTS price to stabilize relative to the USD, and to let BTC sink alone.. Good news like shapeshift integration almost had no effect... We have so many good news, good news like shapeshift integration almost had no effect... and bad news aren't that we lose money, nor that our product is weak... bad news are just that we are late, and that many recurrent problems are still not addressed. And Brian's broken promises. (And Bingo). But it's nothing that really should get the price down so low.Ethereum is currently massively overvalued (I don't remember if it was Rune or Fuzzy's analysis that the current price value them at $400 trillions in the end...), they will suffer the same problems as we do for months. We still have the best product. There are countless business that could thrive on easily usable BitAssets : let's get them out there.I'm back to bullish tonight
Quote from: bytemaster on February 03, 2015, 07:58:50 pmThe team is very focused right now with one person dedicated to each of the following tasks:1) Light Wallet (phone, desktop)2) Web Wallet (hosted, browser based)3) Full Wallet GUI (current wallet)4) Testing 5) Integration & Release 6) Gateway 7) Partnerships and Tech Support for Exchanges Our "New Feature List" is highly curtailed focusing only on:1) Usability & Stability 2) Escrow3) User Issued Asset Upgrades4) Relative Orders & updated Market Engine Things appear to be going slower now only because we are delaying release while we focus on testing. The light wallet will mature very rapidly now that the core infrastructure is in place. Marketing is getting very organized and systematic. Our release process is getting refined with milestones and tasks and greater discipline on testing / integration / process. Overall our team is maturing.I know everybody got used to getting multiple releases per week when we first started. But that drove exchanges and others nuts trying to keep up with our pace.So we promised them we would do fewer, bigger releases. That's why you're not getting that big rush, the work is still being done just as fast, but they are being released less often.On the inside, we are very happy with all the progress people are making. But polishing and testing don't give the same feeling of motion you get when new features are being released every few days.This is our life's work. It's amazing that anyone would worry that we were thinking about anything else.
The team is very focused right now with one person dedicated to each of the following tasks:1) Light Wallet (phone, desktop)2) Web Wallet (hosted, browser based)3) Full Wallet GUI (current wallet)4) Testing 5) Integration & Release 6) Gateway 7) Partnerships and Tech Support for Exchanges Our "New Feature List" is highly curtailed focusing only on:1) Usability & Stability 2) Escrow3) User Issued Asset Upgrades4) Relative Orders & updated Market Engine Things appear to be going slower now only because we are delaying release while we focus on testing. The light wallet will mature very rapidly now that the core infrastructure is in place. Marketing is getting very organized and systematic. Our release process is getting refined with milestones and tasks and greater discipline on testing / integration / process. Overall our team is maturing.
(Also: Bitcoin is really at this same despair point right now as well I think, so many true believers have questioned everything. Of course, both for Bitshares or Bitcoin, it could get better or it could get worse).
PLAY is looking poised to be a big hit, and it benefits us too due to sharedrop.
As I see it, Bitshares - the idea and the tech - is going to be successful and will change the society. Question is whether this particular BTS which is currently trading for some 4k sat is going to be successful, and I am tending towards a no now.
The current level of pessimism is understandable but also reassuring. This is July 2014 all over again, you'd never seen so many pessimistic people which is why when BitAssets were finally released there was a big upside move. Everyday I woke up thought about whether the pessimism was justified and then bought more BTSX at 0.000016
Overall our team is maturing.
Our "New Feature List" is highly curtailed focusing only on:1) Usability & Stability 2) Escrow3) User Issued Asset Upgrades4) Relative Orders & updated Market Engine
Quote from: teenagecheese on February 03, 2015, 07:35:12 pmOn a related note, I am getting nervous. I am seriously questioning the management and organization of the bitshares team. Your idea was so great, but it really seems like you are failing to execute. You need better personnel, scheduling, and task management. I can't really give you any reassurance because so far everything you have said is correct and they have proven to be incompetent at meeting a deadline or getting a product out in time. We are now approximately 2-3 months behind where we were initially promised this summer, we were supposed to get a release and marketing in November, lol! That was eventually revealed to be nothing but empty promises.I believe that many of the paid delegates are very competent, and could get viral growth going in time, but they are all currently stymied by the lack of a viable product, which they have been waiting on the dev team for. The main problem is that rather than getting a good idea and then executing on it full force, they just come up with another idea, and another, and split time among all of these wonderful ideas, when what we really need first is a usable product. Some of these ideas have even been harmful, such as whatever idea Bytemaster apparently had for making VOTE be able to murder Bitshares, which then resulted in a huge dilution and breaking the hearts of the whole chinese community, especially those who had bought DNS. This essentially killed the one thing that was going well for bitshares, which was that it was catching on in China. The chinese marketing team (which is actually competent!) has been working hard to overcome the bitshares team shitting all over their efforts, and looks to be building momentum again, (but only if we can ever get a stable product released, and dont destroy their efforts yet again by adding gambling to the client which they have said will make all their chinese business partners flee from it).So you should probably sell all your shares and walk away, unless you want to continue to invest in this product of idealist dreamers who have the potential to create something amazing that will change the world, but probably will never succeed because they cannot focus on priorities and they keep shooting themselves in the foot.Paid delegates are the hope of Bitshares, because if we can ever manage to get a stable client out, then some people who are actually good at promoting things can do their magic and promote it, and get some viral growth. And as Bitshares grows, paid delegates will attract more and more capital and businesses to ally with it for delegate positions.I just hope it doenst die first.(Apologies to everyone who is working hard on Bitshares, with this depressing and critical post. I have been feeling a lot like Teenagecheese, given that its February and I dont see a lite client or release version yet. There ARE a lot of positive things going on and we should not minimize them. Its also been several months now since the broken promises of november and we havent seen improvement in some areas. One begins to get skeptical that the current promises might be broken as well).
On a related note, I am getting nervous. I am seriously questioning the management and organization of the bitshares team. Your idea was so great, but it really seems like you are failing to execute. You need better personnel, scheduling, and task management.
this summer
You're right.Its all open source: one can spin off a similar project or two.Many would say it is as strong as the community behind it.So, I guess, it boils down to what can I do for it.
Things appear to be going slower now only because we are delaying release while we focus on testing.
Please tell me I'm wrong about all this so I don't have to sell my bitshares and give up on what seem like such an amazing concept.I haven't heard much about marketing recently, what is the new team doing? Did Adam stop doing his "quick updates form Adam?" I suspect he is no longer working for bitshares as much, or maybe not at all. Please tell me I am wrongOn a related note, I am getting nervous. I am seriously questioning the management and organization of the bitshares team. Your idea was so great, but it really seems like you are failing to execute. You need better personnel, scheduling, and task management. Stop letting this be so incredibly open source, it needs fine guidance right now. Make a list of all the things that need to be done, choose people, hire people, and then manage them and push them to get it done.And get ALL of them done, there are so many things that can be done in parallel right now, but only a few are. You developed a freakin' system that lets you get paid by the blockchain! That's incredeble, use it! Do not waste that funding advantage.This is a battle against time, many are working to implement better/different solutions than you as fast as they can, yet here we are six months later and the wallet still barely works and we just got a website. And from what I hear the light wallet will only have minimal functionality upon release...only able to send/recieve, no market, and don't put too much money in it because it has some problems, not good. The opportunity is all but gone.
spoiler alert : BTS is gonna go viral in several months due to some major promotion effort in China , unless we do something to drag their feet . A crowd funding company already got millions of USD of VC to operate their operation on BTS . That's once in a life time opportunity for BTS . As a matter of fact , all they want is no more surprises , a stable wallet and protocol , everything will work out eventually .