Overall Plan and Schedule

[cass]

how about a calendar

The internal working calendar for core development is available at https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/milestones

Please note that the GitHub milestones are highly volatile, and both dates and issues are continuously changing as we get new information.

ok yes i'm thinking we should add a timeline/roadmap on .org ... ! But if so we have to get this updated all time!

[vikram]

how about a calendar

The internal working calendar for core development is available at https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/milestones

Please note that the GitHub milestones are highly volatile, and both dates and issues are continuously changing as we get new information.

[theoretical]

how about a calendar

The internal working calendar for core development is available at https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares/milestones

[TurkeyLeg]

What's the point of having a calendar when the achievements/milestones you mentioned have been 1 month away for the past 8 months?

[rb2]

Publishing and maintaining the current focus would already make a lot to avoid irrelevant distractions like the bingo in client stuff.

Thinking out loudly, here's what I think could on the "focus" page (development oriented):
- Strategic goals we want to reach until may 2015, september 2015, december 2015. Eg: popularise bitUSD, develiver light client, ....
- List what feature/software is currently developed with an roughly expected delivery date
- List of features/software to develop afterwards.
- Possibly list what we postpone for now
- Possibly list the things we do not want and clearly reject.

This page could be reviewed monthly, but between those revisions, new proposals
would be assessed based on this list. This would prevent loosing time and
energy in discussions of items not aligning with our current objectives.

In may 2015, we evaluate what was done, try to learn and optimise the process, and publish objectives for may 2016.
This page could be simply an ASCII text document kept in a git repo, so that the history is kept, and published on github.

I'm a developed myself, and of course the goal should not be to make it a heavy
procedure or cumbersome project management methodology. But this kind of light
structuration approach has already worked for me and my teams.

Take this as a constructive post, written in the hope the developers can get something out of it to help them deliver
all the potential of Bitshares. The goal is certainly not to impose anything!

[hpenvy2]

Integrated bitcoin wallet: no one is working on it so current estimate is never

How many full paid delegates would it take to hire someone to complete this task, and how long should it take?

Could somebody make this in 2 months for say 6 full paid delegates?

How much "bounty" or "full paid delegate pay" should we list for this position?

@arhag has been bouncing some ideas around concerning using the liteweight client and forking something like electrum on Nullstreet.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

For 100% delegates (I am one of them) I propose to burn BTS to put their update blogpost on their delegate wall.
This way you can simply use the existing bitsharesblocks.com website to find out what our 100% delegates are working on.

I provide a weekly update myself so that shareholders know what I am doing and comment.

Also, we are working on a mumble session where delegates give updates/interviews and be open for questions from the sharesholders.

Hope this help.

Great! 

[cass]

but pls no trello ... ^^

i would advise to use slack or asana.. just said

What are big downsides of trello to asana or slack?  We're back to the project management phase and Rgcrypto has used trello.  I've never used any of this much so I can't begin to have an opinion.

it's a personal feeling! I'm personally not like trello UX! So it's just my personal feel about

I've worked with trello, asana, slack etc. and Asana and Slack are much more usabel IMO .. i can include both a way more better into my workflow then trello!
Currently i'm working with BitShares PLAY team on slack and using asana for personal projects and BitShares MUSIC foundation tasks ...

[rgcrypto]

For 100% delegates (I am one of them) I propose to burn BTS to put their update blogpost on their delegate wall.
This way you can simply use the existing bitsharesblocks.com website to find out what our 100% delegates are working on.

I provide a weekly update myself so that shareholders know what I am doing and comment.

Also, we are working on a mumble session where delegates give updates/interviews and be open for questions from the sharesholders.

Hope this help.

[lovejoy]

but pls no trello ... ^^

i would advise to use slack or asana.. just said

What are big downsides of trello to asana or slack?  We're back to the project management phase and Rgcrypto has used trello.  I've never used any of this much so I can't begin to have an opinion.

I don't know the relative merits of those systems either, but I just wanted to throw another idea out there for consideration.
has anyone looked into ideascale ... if we can use the free version it seems promising.

[gamey]

but pls no trello ... ^^

i would advise to use slack or asana.. just said

What are big downsides of trello to asana or slack?  We're back to the project management phase and Rgcrypto has used trello.  I've never used any of this much so I can't begin to have an opinion.

[hpenvy2]

^^ modified.

[cass]

but pls no trello ... ^^

i would advise to use slack or asana.. just said

[hpenvy2]

That's a great idea, how about a calendar that only the delegates can access. This calendar is either on a website or inside the wallet, each delegate can post a date when their project is expecting to be completed on the calendar. If the project does not get released on that day, it changes to delayed. If after a few weeks or a month that the project doesn't finish that delegate would suffer from the community voting for other delegates that can complete projects.

Yeah this is a great idea. An overall plan and basic schedule even if it frequently changed would be very useful. Even Runes summary was pretty good, that's more than I knew.

Hpenvy's responses I think highlight one of the reasons we struggle to attract new money - in response to a simple request for a place where they can see a schedule they get asked whether they're keeping up with github, mumble, nullstreet and a delegate reporting discussion. Unfortunately we can't make it that complicated to find relevant investment information.

I already proposed a solution. If someone feels passionate enough about it, they can create a delegate (or have someone run their delegate for them) interact with all the different pieces of a decentralized projects and coordinate through a program like Slack, Asana or Trello. 

[teenagecheese]

Yes I agree with both, Rune's response was a good start and even if the schedule changes frequently, it is very helpful. Thank you! I can't run the delegate, but I hope this spurs someone to take action.

[Empirical1.2]

That's a great idea, how about a calendar that only the delegates can access. This calendar is either on a website or inside the wallet, each delegate can post a date when their project is expecting to be completed on the calendar. If the project does not get released on that day, it changes to delayed. If after a few weeks or a month that the project doesn't finish that delegate would suffer from the community voting for other delegates that can complete projects.

Yeah this is a great idea. An overall plan and basic schedule even if it frequently changed would be very useful. Even Runes summary was pretty good, that's more than I knew.

Hpenvy's responses I think highlight one of the reasons we struggle to attract new money - in response to a simple request for a place where they can see a schedule they get asked whether they're keeping up with github, mumble, nullstreet and a delegate reporting discussion. Unfortunately we can't make it that complicated to find relevant investment information.

[hpenvy2]

Here's the beauty of the delegate system. If someone wants to propose a project manager or project reporting delegate and the community finds value, their delegate should be funded. I know the team over on Nullstreet is starting to use Trello for task management and reporting.

[teenagecheese]

Exactly. Great Idea bluebit. Something like that is what I am thinking about.

[bluebit]

That's a great idea, how about a calendar that only the delegates can access. This calendar is either on a website or inside the wallet, each delegate can post a date when their project is expecting to be completed on the calendar. If the project does not get released on that day, it changes to delayed. If after a few weeks or a month that the project doesn't finish that delegate would suffer from the community voting for other delegates that can complete projects.

[teenagecheese]

hpenvy2, call it what you want. I do not desire to argue about the semantics; my point was that it operates much like a company with investors. I give money, people get paid to implement ideas and make me profit. I believe this is a generally excepted concept of how bitshares works.

yes, I am on all of those except Nullstreet. Regardless, I was trying to make a point that we do not seem to have a solid plan for ultimate profitabity and adoption. We have some things in the works, but I do not feel they are enough. I do not feel that simply implementing those that are in the works is enough. Beside what I listed off the top of my head, I was asking to see a layout of the complete features planned that with make people use bitshares, bitassets, or other bitshares things.

I think we should have some central location where every feature that is going to happen is layed out with a schedule and who is working on them. Not just github for code, or Nullstreet for marketing, but everything in one place. This will help people to be able to vote out people that are not doing what they should and increase the productivity of delegates. I've just continued this idea on a new thread: Implementation/Management Delegate Proposal. Please read.

[hpenvy2]

As an investor in your company, I want to know the overall plan and schedule, and I'm sure everyone else does too.

There is no company. I believe what you're asking for is more frequent updates from the different delegates?  If that's the case, please join the delegate reporting discussion in the forum. I agree, better communication across all 100% delegates is essential.  Have you been keeping up with the GitHub? How about the Mumble sessions? Are you on Nullstreet?

[Rune]

From what I heard in the dev hangout:

Light wallet: Monday

Trading but no exchange info in light wallet(so you have to manually check bitsharesblocks): end of February

Full trading light wallet: 2 months

Full Shapeshift/bridge integration in full node and light wallet: I'm guessing 1 month.

Integrated bitcoin wallet: no one is working on it so current estimate is never

Gateways: xchain.info is already out, but temporarily useless due to key import. Dan notesteins gateway will be out in a month I think. Fiat gateway is probably 6 months away. Bitassets on exchanges is slowly beginning, with bitUSD and bitGOLD on bter.

Marketing push: we have torads by methodX and reddit ads by max wright that are live right now. Also possibly some bitcoin speaker in South America sponsored by matt608

Also yunbi web wallet: coming in 2 weeks

Jcalfee web wallet: launch plan will be announced in the middle of March.


Time is no longer as important as we thought, because ethereum will not even launch with a GUI so there is still plenty of time before they will become serious competition for users (though they already have at least twice our market cap if we extrapolate from ethercoin)

[teenagecheese]

As an investor in your company, I want to know the overall plan and schedule, and I'm sure everyone else does too. Don't say "we try not to give schedule predictions because people will get angry if we miss them." Well, I am angry now, so give it your best shot. I'll forgive you if you guess wrong, but I at least want to see that you have something to guess about.

You need a plan, and a good one. You need some leadership. You need a schedule. You need people to execute it. Show it to me.

Off the top of my head I want to know:

Light wallet
Light wallet with market engine
Integrated bitcoin wallet
Gateways
Some sort of marketing push about anything

Sorry for being so rude, but I am angry both that I am loosing my money and that this great vision is failing to come to life. Thank you.