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DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« on: February 18, 2015, 09:53:50 PM »

So where do we stand with DNS and Vote?
DNS was implemented in BTS but I haven't seen any post about the progress of registering domain names.
Vote was supposed to be something huge that could overtake even BTS if it wasn't implemented and I haven't seen anything regarding this either.

Any estimation when Play and Music are about to launch? Last time I remember it was within Q1 2015 and I was wondering about new estimates.

Me and Insurance DACs I suppose are not in the plan anymore?

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 10:00:20 PM »
Q4 2035. It's being coordinated withe the first manned mars mission. Didn't you get the memo?

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 10:26:20 PM »
Q4 2035. It's being coordinated withe the first manned mars mission. Didn't you get the memo?
Maybe sooner than you think! This group are planning an (ok ambitious) Mars space programme. In a strange twist its being televised.

http://www.mars-one.com/

They might be persuaded to adopt bitcoin and bitshares. Martians will need to trade fuel and minerals, of course.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 11:09:14 PM »
No idea about DNS.  Adam's followmyvote team is working on marketing for BTS rather than VOTE for now.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 11:22:14 PM »
Regarding DNS check out indolering's delegate proposal: http://www.indolering.com/universal-p2p-resolution

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DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 11:48:05 PM »
never..merge was a joke,hurt many guys.look at the price,fuck
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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 12:01:27 AM »
No idea about DNS.  Adam's followmyvote team is working on marketing for BTS rather than VOTE for now.

Surprise surprise! What happened to VOTE being the killer DAC, the one to rule them all? Did you all forget about that part of the merger? We'll just forget about that and work on what used to be btsx. Btsx which hasn't changed besides the name.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 02:21:03 AM »
Regarding DNS check out indolering's delegate proposal: http://www.indolering.com/universal-p2p-resolution

Yes but no delegate up for vote for now. Hope he's still planing to do that.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 02:32:54 AM »
Music and Play have their own independent teams and schedules.  As I understand it they are still on track with things happening in the next few months.  Check them out.

BitShares Me was the first to merge into BitShares X last summer before launch and you have been using it for six months as User Issued Assets.  As a result you can trade between UIAs and MPAs with combined maximum market depth that the two would have had separately.

With the current BitShares, our priority is to get something stable and easy to use so that marketing can start bringing in entire new classes of users that don't know anything about crypto and frankly don't want to know.  So all hands are focusing on that before adding new features like Vote and DNS.  Lots of  thinking on Vote and DNS is still going on among the core devs, but we are trying to stick to priorities even though the champions of those new features are chafing to get started.

Without the merger

BitShares X would still be what it was back in November -- Unmarketable.

BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,
a self-funding business able to pay people to work on it,
and getting better every day.
(Except it would be splitting its market cap and market depth with X.)

This is because post 2/28 donations would have ethically had to focus on new stuff (Vote and DNS) and BitShares X would have been placed on hold.  Waiting for more funding. Forever. Those are the fiscal realities.

The two would be competing head to head and splitting market depth and market share but BitShares Vote would be pulling ahead relentlessly because it would have all the delegate manpower that BitShares now enjoys.  And Vote would still have the promise of new features we are still working on while X would still be just X.  Forever.

Every developer is working on a loooooog to do list in priority order.  The value of their compensation is tied more directly to their performance than most workers have ever experienced in this world.  So incentive can hardly be in doubt.  (You can elect new, better developers, you know.  Just find them, vet them, hire them, train them and fire the ones you've got.)

If we were making progress on the other things mentioned in this thread that means we would not be making as much progress on improving the user experience, stability, and usability for low-powered machines.  Zero sum game.

If you want to help, recruit more developers and marketers, and find ways to fund them.    :)





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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 04:58:34 AM »

Without the merger

BitShares X would still be what it was back in November -- Unmarketable.

BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,
a self-funding business able to pay people to work on it,
and getting better every day.
(Except it would be splitting its market cap and market depth with X.)


I would find it insightful to understand how we see the bigger picture (i.e. the entire system) operating in the future. It seems our current model is for Bitshares to expand its own core code and block-chain with a growing number of services and business lines, such as VOTE, DNS, Prediction Markets etc. Many of these things could instead be built by entrepreneurs with the proper incentives, reducing the system dependency on a limited number of core developers. Could the model evolve to accommodate an environment of thousands of entrepreneurs, many private and shared specialist block-chains, with the backbone of the BitShares block-chain for common goods or services? Or is there a better model? In my view, the more entrepreneurialism we can promote the greater the rate of innovation and growth.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 10:57:29 AM »

Without the merger

BitShares X would still be what it was back in November -- Unmarketable.

BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,
a self-funding business able to pay people to work on it,
and getting better every day.
(Except it would be splitting its market cap and market depth with X.)

In my view, the more entrepreneurialism we can promote the greater the rate of innovation and growth.

But get more  entrepreneurs on board we need better incentives. So yes, 1# prio is ti increase value and with this delegate salaries IMO!
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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 11:42:55 AM »
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BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,

Both Vote and BTSX would be dead now. BTSX - because devs abandoned it. Vote - because devs are known to abandon their coins.

If BTC will drop even more, delegate funding will not be enough, by far. So does it really matter if we can dilute to fund devs? Was it worth it to merge? Well, now we can only hope for BTC to rise, but that's the case for all coins.

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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 01:04:35 PM »

Without the merger

BitShares X would still be what it was back in November -- Unmarketable.

BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,
a self-funding business able to pay people to work on it,
and getting better every day.
(Except it would be splitting its market cap and market depth with X.)


I would find it insightful to understand how we see the bigger picture (i.e. the entire system) operating in the future. It seems our current model is for Bitshares to expand its own core code and block-chain with a growing number of services and business lines, such as VOTE, DNS, Prediction Markets etc. Many of these things could instead be built by entrepreneurs with the proper incentives, reducing the system dependency on a limited number of core developers. Could the model evolve to accommodate an environment of thousands of entrepreneurs, many private and shared specialist block-chains, with the backbone of the BitShares block-chain for common goods or services? Or is there a better model? In my view, the more entrepreneurialism we can promote the greater the rate of innovation and growth.

That has always been the objective.  The tools available for achieving this will continue to evolve and improve.

Method 1 - Clone independent DACs (like MUSIC and PLAY)
Method 2 - Support User Issued Assets (integrate ME).
Method 3 - Integrate multiple business models into a single DAC for synergistic sharing of common resources such as bitAssets and namespaces, (like X, VOTE and DNS).
Method 4 - Delegates as incubators for encouraging complementary partner business.
Method 5 - Variations on the use of scripting
Method 6 - TBD Advanced concepts
Method X - Um, that's up to guys like Method X

Decentralization of opportunities for independent entrepreneurs with shareable common resources and network effect is the key strategic objective.  Tactical ways to achieve this is core R&D.

Some of the shareable common resources were outlined here.
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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 01:15:30 PM »
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BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,

Both Vote and BTSX would be dead now. BTSX - because devs abandoned it. Vote - because devs are known to abandon their coins.

If BTC will drop even more, delegate funding will not be enough, by far. So does it really matter if we can dilute to fund devs? Was it worth it to merge? Well, now we can only hope for BTC to rise, but that's the case for all coins.

Precisely.  But look at the reasons BTS has for rising.  The ability to fully exploit self-funding delegate revenue streams may lie there somewhat dormant for a while until the next rising tide in the crypto industry.  BitShares is uniquely positioned to generate thrust from rising tides.  And that will make all the difference.


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Re: DNS, Vote, Play and Music
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 03:40:40 PM »
Music and Play have their own independent teams and schedules.  As I understand it they are still on track with things happening in the next few months.  Check them out.

BitShares Me was the first to merge into BitShares X last summer before launch and you have been using it for six months as User Issued Assets.  As a result you can trade between UIAs and MPAs with combined maximum market depth that the two would have had separately.

With the current BitShares, our priority is to get something stable and easy to use so that marketing can start bringing in entire new classes of users that don't know anything about crypto and frankly don't want to know.  So all hands are focusing on that before adding new features like Vote and DNS.  Lots of  thinking on Vote and DNS is still going on among the core devs, but we are trying to stick to priorities even though the champions of those new features are chafing to get started.

Without the merger

BitShares X would still be what it was back in November -- Unmarketable.

BitShares Vote would be exactly what BitShares is now,
a self-funding business able to pay people to work on it,
and getting better every day.
(Except it would be splitting its market cap and market depth with X.)

This is because post 2/28 donations would have ethically had to focus on new stuff (Vote and DNS) and BitShares X would have been placed on hold.  Waiting for more funding. Forever. Those are the fiscal realities.

The two would be competing head to head and splitting market depth and market share but BitShares Vote would be pulling ahead relentlessly because it would have all the delegate manpower that BitShares now enjoys.  And Vote would still have the promise of new features we are still working on while X would still be just X.  Forever.

Every developer is working on a loooooog to do list in priority order.  The value of their compensation is tied more directly to their performance than most workers have ever experienced in this world.  So incentive can hardly be in doubt.  (You can elect new, better developers, you know.  Just find them, vet them, hire them, train them and fire the ones you've got.)

If we were making progress on the other things mentioned in this thread that means we would not be making as much progress on improving the user experience, stability, and usability for low-powered machines.  Zero sum game.

If you want to help, recruit more developers and marketers, and find ways to fund them.    :)

Rats.  I hate it when something this profound scrolls out of the top 100 recent posts before the 24 hour view cycle is over.  Especially during Lunar New Year when people are not in front of their computers as much as they really should be.  Alas, I guess there's nothing I can do about it...

But, lest I be accused of a shamelessly thinly disguised bump, I'll use this opportunity to reprise a classic piece of Casswork.  The Greater BitShares Ecosystem Iceberg Metaphor - what you see is but a small part of what lies below the surface.   Tracking down bugs, developing new wallets, pursuing new partnerships... these things lie below the surface where you don't see all the work that is being done.  So it is easy to grow impatient.  We understand.  We hope you will understand.

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