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Offline btswolf

This seems a bit ironic but I have to say sorry for this post.

Just woked up that morning and with all the price downtrends in the last time I got shocked by another huge drop.
Don't missunderstand me, actually I don't care about the marketcap, I know this is a long term project.
But with all the downtrends even I sometimes ask myself if this investment decision was good. I've never ever before invested into something.

Regarding this thread topic I just feel helpless sometimes when I don't see progress on my high prio topics that I can't handle on my own.

However I shame myself for that post and pointing with my finger at others (Toast, Dan, Stan and Grandma L.).
This remembers me again trying to stay calm, professional and never act impulsively.
Nobody is perfect, as you know.

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Can you imagine if we had some sort of affiliate system where gatewasy would have had a bigger financial incentive to integrate and take on the trouble of figuring it out?

I still think that we should keep the conversation on the affiliate reward going because that would make the conversion MUCH more profitable for them and an easier sell for us.

I agree that this would make a better vehicle to incentivize if it was integrated into the UIA. They would just issue their own.. be able to charge their own transaction fees on all trades, and with the affiliate layer every new user that gets into the bts space they will get their transactions as well.. Delegates as board of directors for oversight and policy compliance would likely have an elected liaison from them to handle such matters and maybe even do business development with gateways.

That's how I see it working well anyways.. yay for my vision!  +5% :D
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Can you imagine if we had some sort of affiliate system where gatewasy would have had a bigger financial incentive to integrate and take on the trouble of figuring it out?

I still think that we should keep the conversation on the affiliate reward going because that would make the conversion MUCH more profitable for them and an easier sell for us.

Why can't we vote in delegates for them like we have done for BTC38 and others?

See: holytransactions.

Do you not think an affiliate system offers more direct benefit to the entrepreneur? 



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Can you imagine if we had some sort of affiliate system where gatewasy would have had a bigger financial incentive to integrate and take on the trouble of figuring it out?

I still think that we should keep the conversation on the affiliate reward going because that would make the conversion MUCH more profitable for them and an easier sell for us.

Why can't we vote in delegates for them like we have done for BTC38 and others?
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Can you imagine if we had some sort of affiliate system where gatewasy would have had a bigger financial incentive to integrate and take on the trouble of figuring it out?

I still think that we should keep the conversation on the affiliate reward going because that would make the conversion MUCH more profitable for them and an easier sell for us.

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This is all disturbing.. but also not surprising.

As others have noted.. devs tend to lack in interpersonal skills.. especially in dealing with business contacts.

I think people also forget cultural considerations in dealing with an international community. Many not being well traveled don't know how to handle it.

I would urge anybody looking to put some kind of business development in contact with BitShares to put them in contact with Stan.. he most certainly would have handled that entire relationship better and could have better directed the resources necessary to carry it forward.

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Usually I'm a really calm person and I try to avoid to post things like this when I'm feeling that angry.
But today I will make an exception...

Regarding the OP:
I'm really sad that we missed this opportunity to get a direct FIAT Gateway in Europe, the Gateway I always use to buy Bitcoin.
I've connected them with Toast cause I felt this guy was really competent on BitShares things.
Right after he answered them I began to regret my decision cause his answer was so reluctant and unproductive.
His first contact to them was: "Our daemon is not based on bitcoin-core. Our documentation is pretty sparse but if you are serious about integration we could get a full-time dev to help you guys out."
Thats ALL, no personal salutation like Hi, Dear Mr, Sir whatever, nothing.
Actually there where no much more communication between him and them.
I tried to save what can be saved but without a nice APi documentation  I have no chance.

I know Toast is a good dev but I am also sure he is very pissed off, cause there where decisions made he did not agreed with. (thats what I read between the lines)
OK maybe Toast is history "for me", thats sad!

But what makes me really angry is that the devs and especially "non-dev 100% payed" Delegates sesms not be able to contact every fu**ing gateway on this planet in a pleasant way to catch up with all the altcoin scams out there who already managed to get on those gateways.
It is not hard to accomplish this goal, they are waiting out there, we just have to do our homework.

And here is another reason what I believe is the cause of the rapid lose in confidence (additionally to the dozen other reasons that are already written down in the forums).
It's the snootiness, arrogance and feeling superior posts that some people posting every day and week.
Yes we are good, but we are not the best and we are not the only one with good ideas.

I never really had big problems with client, but I'm a technician and I'm used to buggy software thats need to restart every day.
But thats cause I don't talk much about BitShares with my friends, family or colleagues cause I know they would run away at latest when the client crashes for the third time. And I doubt this will change in 1.0. I really hope Moonstone will be more customer friendly, but for now it is no more than hot air.

There are not many guys out there that do promote BitShares like hell and I would count me in too, at least with btswolf.com.
I'm sure it is too early to make big promotions, we just have nothing really good to sell that would not scare new customers away.
To be excactly, I believe every new user we attract right now will harm us more than it would give us a favor.

This post should not be read like FUD, if it reads so it is cause of my bad english and because I'm angry :P
Who ever you are, if you have a stake in BitShares that is worth to protect stand up and do your homework.
Polish the API documentation, contact gateways and businesses, cooperate with other like minded people, create your own business and last but not least be pleasant and productive and professional when you are talking to newcomers.

And to be clear: I wish DAN, STAN, Mother Larimer and all the other big Stakeholders to be more present on the forum and show us more what they are doing. It is not hard to write down every evening what you have done for BitShares today. I'm working every day at least 8 hours in my job and besides that I'm working many evenings and weekends for BitShares for free! AND I am able to write down a small log of what I have done.

peace

Toast is probably pissed off with bts fundamental issues and the resulting non-helpful communication. But there are other devs whom you can turn to - eg vikram, theoretical and pc. 

Lesson learnt. You need to be the central of communication between the interested party you are reaching out and the dev.  Don't let anyone spoil your hard work.
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by the way,what can we do to help with the fiat gateway in Europe?
maybe you can contact with @bitcrab, who run www.transwiser.com, a gateway for fiat CNY in China.
and I am glad to help if you need some develop help

Usually I'm a really calm person and I try to avoid to post things like this when I'm feeling that angry.
But today I will make an exception...

Regarding the OP:
I'm really sad that we missed this opportunity to get a direct FIAT Gateway in Europe, the Gateway I always use to buy Bitcoin.
I've connected them with Toast cause I felt this guy was really competent on BitShares things.
Right after he answered them I began to regret my decision cause his answer was so reluctant and unproductive.
His first contact to them was: "Our daemon is not based on bitcoin-core. Our documentation is pretty sparse but if you are serious about integration we could get a full-time dev to help you guys out."
Thats ALL, no personal salutation like Hi, Dear Mr, Sir whatever, nothing.
Actually there where no much more communication between him and them.
I tried to save what can be saved but without a nice APi documentation  I have no chance.

I know Toast is a good dev but I am also sure he is very pissed off, cause there where decisions made he did not agreed with. (thats what I read between the lines)
OK maybe Toast is history "for me", thats sad!

But what makes me really angry is that the devs and especially "non-dev 100% payed" Delegates sesms not be able to contact every fu**ing gateway on this planet in a pleasant way to catch up with all the altcoin scams out there who already managed to get on those gateways.
It is not hard to accomplish this goal, they are waiting out there, we just have to do our homework.

And here is another reason what I believe is the cause of the rapid lose in confidence (additionally to the dozen other reasons that are already written down in the forums).
It's the snootiness, arrogance and feeling superior posts that some people posting every day and week.
Yes we are good, but we are not the best and we are not the only one with good ideas.

I never really had big problems with client, but I'm a technician and I'm used to buggy software thats need to restart every day.
But thats cause I don't talk much about BitShares with my friends, family or colleagues cause I know they would run away at latest when the client crashes for the third time. And I doubt this will change in 1.0. I really hope Moonstone will be more customer friendly, but for now it is no more than hot air.

There are not many guys out there that do promote BitShares like hell and I would count me in too, at least with btswolf.com.
I'm sure it is too early to make big promotions, we just have nothing really good to sell that would not scare new customers away.
To be excactly, I believe every new user we attract right now will harm us more than it would give us a favor.

This post should not be read like FUD, if it reads so it is cause of my bad english and because I'm angry :P
Who ever you are, if you have a stake in BitShares that is worth to protect stand up and do your homework.
Polish the API documentation, contact gateways and businesses, cooperate with other like minded people, create your own business and last but not least be pleasant and productive and professional when you are talking to newcomers.

And to be clear: I wish DAN, STAN, Mother Larimer and all the other big Stakeholders to be more present on the forum and show us more what they are doing. It is not hard to write down every evening what you have done for BitShares today. I'm working every day at least 8 hours in my job and besides that I'm working many evenings and weekends for BitShares for free! AND I am able to write down a small log of what I have done.

peace

Offline BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode

This is all disturbing.. but also not surprising.

As others have noted.. devs tend to lack in interpersonal skills.. especially in dealing with business contacts.

I think people also forget cultural considerations in dealing with an international community. Many not being well traveled don't know how to handle it.

I would urge anybody looking to put some kind of business development in contact with BitShares to put them in contact with Stan.. he most certainly would have handled that entire relationship better and could have better directed the resources necessary to carry it forward.

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Usually I'm a really calm person and I try to avoid to post things like this when I'm feeling that angry.
But today I will make an exception...

Regarding the OP:
I'm really sad that we missed this opportunity to get a direct FIAT Gateway in Europe, the Gateway I always use to buy Bitcoin.
I've connected them with Toast cause I felt this guy was really competent on BitShares things.
Right after he answered them I began to regret my decision cause his answer was so reluctant and unproductive.
His first contact to them was: "Our daemon is not based on bitcoin-core. Our documentation is pretty sparse but if you are serious about integration we could get a full-time dev to help you guys out."
Thats ALL, no personal salutation like Hi, Dear Mr, Sir whatever, nothing.
Actually there where no much more communication between him and them.
I tried to save what can be saved but without a nice APi documentation  I have no chance.

If that's true then its ridiculous. No wonder we don't have a decent fiat gateway if thats how we're presenting ourselves.
Surely there's another side to this,i just cant believe with all this effort to build bitshares we're being that incompetent.

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I never really had big problems with client, but I'm a technician and I'm used to buggy software thats need to restart every day.
But thats cause I don't talk much about BitShares with my friends, family or colleagues cause I know they would run away at latest when the client crashes for the third time. And I doubt this will change in 1.0. I really hope Moonstone will be more customer friendly, but for now it is no more than hot air.


I feel the same sometimes. I was at a house warming for a relative this past weekend. They just bought 1.6 million dollar home.  Needless to say it very nice. What's worse, is that it's in the same new development that I thought I would buying in with some of my Bitshares by now.  As much as I want to to tell them and my other family and friends about Bitshares, I can't. It's just not ready. And to be honest I glad I have not.

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And to be clear: I wish DAN, STAN, Mother Larimer and all the other big Stakeholders to be more present on the forum and show us more what they are doing. It is not hard to write down every evening what you have done for BitShares today. I'm working every day at least 8 hours in my job and besides that I'm working many evenings and weekends for BitShares for free! AND I am able to write down a small log of what I have done.

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I guess noone is perfect.. a dev is a dev is a dev.. probably not the best communicator and best to be insulated by a marketing type person who gathers questions and answers in a nicer way.
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Talking to people and turning them to the cause is an art as high as any. Relationships are made and broken by such slight shifts in tone that it can be hard for material minds (I group myself in here) to acknowledge the reality of the phenomena. The magic conspiracy all around may partly be explained by our lack of insight into such things. BitShares has after all been innovating in the face of fashions and social sentiments, and the backside to this may well be a lack of social vitality and a natural inability to form partnerships. The moment we recognize this limitation, we can take steps to brush up on our etiquette and be humble in the face of a complex social-emotional-ideological landscape.
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Usually I'm a really calm person and I try to avoid to post things like this when I'm feeling that angry.
But today I will make an exception...

Regarding the OP:
I'm really sad that we missed this opportunity to get a direct FIAT Gateway in Europe, the Gateway I always use to buy Bitcoin.
I've connected them with Toast cause I felt this guy was really competent on BitShares things.
Right after he answered them I began to regret my decision cause his answer was so reluctant and unproductive.
His first contact to them was: "Our daemon is not based on bitcoin-core. Our documentation is pretty sparse but if you are serious about integration we could get a full-time dev to help you guys out."
Thats ALL, no personal salutation like Hi, Dear Mr, Sir whatever, nothing.
Actually there where no much more communication between him and them.
I tried to save what can be saved but without a nice APi documentation  I have no chance.

I know Toast is a good dev but I am also sure he is very pissed off, cause there where decisions made he did not agreed with. (thats what I read between the lines)
OK maybe Toast is history "for me", thats sad!

But what makes me really angry is that the devs and especially "non-dev 100% payed" Delegates sesms not be able to contact every fu**ing gateway on this planet in a pleasant way to catch up with all the altcoin scams out there who already managed to get on those gateways.
It is not hard to accomplish this goal, they are waiting out there, we just have to do our homework.

And here is another reason what I believe is the cause of the rapid lose in confidence (additionally to the dozen other reasons that are already written down in the forums).
It's the snootiness, arrogance and feeling superior posts that some people posting every day and week.
Yes we are good, but we are not the best and we are not the only one with good ideas.

I never really had big problems with client, but I'm a technician and I'm used to buggy software thats need to restart every day.
But thats cause I don't talk much about BitShares with my friends, family or colleagues cause I know they would run away at latest when the client crashes for the third time. And I doubt this will change in 1.0. I really hope Moonstone will be more customer friendly, but for now it is no more than hot air.

There are not many guys out there that do promote BitShares like hell and I would count me in too, at least with btswolf.com.
I'm sure it is too early to make big promotions, we just have nothing really good to sell that would not scare new customers away.
To be excactly, I believe every new user we attract right now will harm us more than it would give us a favor.

This post should not be read like FUD, if it reads so it is cause of my bad english and because I'm angry :P
Who ever you are, if you have a stake in BitShares that is worth to protect stand up and do your homework.
Polish the API documentation, contact gateways and businesses, cooperate with other like minded people, create your own business and last but not least be pleasant and productive and professional when you are talking to newcomers.

And to be clear: I wish DAN, STAN, Mother Larimer and all the other big Stakeholders to be more present on the forum and show us more what they are doing. It is not hard to write down every evening what you have done for BitShares today. I'm working every day at least 8 hours in my job and besides that I'm working many evenings and weekends for BitShares for free! AND I am able to write down a small log of what I have done.

peace
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