Development seems to be suspended

[Tuck Fheman]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

[clout]

It's like people don't even realise that the web wallet is out, and that it works perfectly!

wallet.bitshares.org!

wallet.bitshares.org does not have market functionality, does not integrate any bridges or gateways, and you cannot login into your wallet from other computers. currently wallet.bitshares.org is pretty useless. no offense. obviously its a huge milestone, but we certainly would have expected it several weeks if not months ago.

What do you mean? I have successfully logged in to web wallet using my phone. The wallet was created using Windows on PC. I haven't tested it in practice, but with metaexchange i could buy anything using just my phone with BitUSD where BTC is accepted. The only issue is that all web wallets in general are less secure. It isn't useless.   ???

I mean useless relative to what it needs to be in order to get more people to actually use bitshares. I'm pretty sure its not configured for mobile device. I cant use it on my phone. I just get a white page.

[vlight]

It's like people don't even realise that the web wallet is out, and that it works perfectly!

wallet.bitshares.org!

wallet.bitshares.org does not have market functionality, does not integrate any bridges or gateways, and you cannot login into your wallet from other computers. currently wallet.bitshares.org is pretty useless. no offense. obviously its a huge milestone, but we certainly would have expected it several weeks if not months ago.

What do you mean? I have successfully logged in to web wallet using my phone. The wallet was created using Windows on PC. I haven't tested it in practice, but with metaexchange i could buy anything using just my phone with BitUSD where BTC is accepted. The only issue is that all web wallets in general are less secure. It isn't useless.   ???

[cass]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

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+5%  well said.

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[lovejoy]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

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+5%  well said.

[vegolino]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

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[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

The rate at which bitshares is developing is quite good... you are just looking in the wrong place for it.

... and yet I am unable to use a wallet on my PC, essentially rendering it useless. Great job!

I just installed the wallet in a newly installed windows 8.1 and imported my wallet. Worked without issue.

If you have a specific problem there are people who can help.. like xeroc.. all you got to do is ask.

You got a web wallet now too.. that didn't happen without dev.

Also just the other day Dan said he was working on optimizing the client to be more user friendly.

[xeroc]

The rate at which bitshares is developing is quite good... you are just looking in the wrong place for it.

... and yet I am unable to use a wallet on my PC, essentially rendering it useless. Great job!

That's not necessarily the developers fault .. Where is the bug report or thread where you are discussing your issue? Maybe I can help you out?

[sumantso]

The rate at which bitshares is developing is quite good... you are just looking in the wrong place for it.

... and yet I am unable to use a wallet on my PC, essentially rendering it useless. Great job!

[fav]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

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[.yoshi]

It is unreasonable to expect every aspect of the Bitshares development process to be posted online. Github commits hardly paint a full picture and threads like this often become an echo chamber for disgruntled armchair project managers. You would know if development was in actual turmoil because the devs would be dumping their significant holdings.

Part of the reason the "gag" is necessary is to start managing investor expectations. Do you want core developers theorycrafting back and forth on the forums or writing code? Should Dan have to hire a scribe to jot down every internal discussion that pertains to development and then post it on the forums? No, you're right, we should have all of the devs start filling out time sheets and posting them online. They'd love that. And just to be extra sure, let's have Stan hovers over their workstations at random intervals to keep them on their toes and REALLY let 'em know that we're watching.

As investors, we have been spoiled by the unprecedented transparency offered by this project in its infancy. Those days are gone. Investors have never, and will never have 100% oversight on the way development and business processes unfold precisely because of the unsubstantiated speculation thrown around in this thread.

[testz]

The nearest meaningful commit made by core devs was 4 days ago. (Limit fees when covering. https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/commits/develop)

I'm just wondering what they're doing (surely they're working hard but on what?)

Look at previous page: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14854.msg192350#msg192350

[btswildpig]

The nearest meaningful commit made by core devs was 4 days ago. (Limit fees when covering. https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/commits/develop)

I'm just wondering what they're doing (surely they're working hard but on what?)

https://github.com/BitShares/fc

This is what Bytemaster has been working on .
FC is the underlying technology related to the BitShares project .
You need to look at all of the place  .

https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares
this one , is just part of BitShares that most people know of .

[clayop]

The nearest meaningful commit made by core devs was 4 days ago. (Limit fees when covering. https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/commits/develop)

I'm just wondering what they're doing (surely they're working hard but on what?)

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

The rate at which bitshares is developing is quite good... you are just looking in the wrong place for it.

Last year when updates were coming out every 3 days.. ug.. glad we got past that. :)

[btswildpig]

Agreed, the utter silence coupled with the lack of any solid evidence that work is being done sure doesn't make an investor feel very secure...

If this truly is the solution to avoiding PR problems, it frankly isn't working.

one click on anything that's not labeled as "BitShares" or "Master" , you'll see the code .

"BitShares" is only part of the "Bitshares Wallet" . "BitShares wallet" contains QT-wallet , web-wallet , Bitshares , FC ...

Also in every single repo , "master" is only one of the branch , those on-going process is on different branch such as develop , test , etc ...

And I've seen some proof that work is being done this week on the forum , guess you missed the thread .
An 5K USD bounty was issued by Bytemaster to solve a high profile feature regarding encryption , and a developer named PC is making good progress on it .

[btswildpig]

everyone is watching "master" branch ....
but the "on-going" work is on other branch and other repo ....

you need to click somewhere else :P

[mike623317]

Many of my commits are currently flowing into the "fc" library which is the foundation of BitShares.
https://github.com/BitShares/fc/commits/master
I have been adding utilities that will eventually be used to make BTS faster, safer, and more secure.    Much of my effort is also flowing into meetings with partners.
I am also working on longer term strategic goals and roadmaps that cannot be released until after a careful review by all developers.   
Don't worry, I am still working on the project and looking to bring substantial value to BTS.    In particular I am looking into ways of improving the user experience by increasing performance and reducing memory consumption.

Well done Dan.  +5%
Please communicate with the odd post here and there.

[lzr1900]

shit development

[clout]

It's like people don't even realise that the web wallet is out, and that it works perfectly!

wallet.bitshares.org!

wallet.bitshares.org does not have market functionality, does not integrate any bridges or gateways, and you cannot login into your wallet from other computers. currently wallet.bitshares.org is pretty useless. no offense. obviously its a huge milestone, but we certainly would have expected it several weeks if not months ago.

to be honest I think the parallel development process is hampering productivity. having one person work on full client, one on light client and one on web wallet means that we have unfinished versions of all three. i would much rather see all three UX designers and dnotestein's team work on wallet.bitshares.org to make it more comparable to centralized exchanges.

[Rune]

It's like people don't even realise that the web wallet is out, and that it works perfectly!

wallet.bitshares.org!

[Tuck Fheman]

Many of my commits are currently flowing into the "fc" library which is the foundation of BitShares.

https://github.com/BitShares/fc/commits/master

I have been adding utilities that will eventually be used to make BTS faster, safer, and more secure.    Much of my effort is also flowing into meetings with partners.

I am also working on longer term strategic goals and roadmaps that cannot be released until after a careful review by all developers.   

Don't worry, I am still working on the project and looking to bring substantial value to BTS.    In particular I am looking into ways of improving the user experience by increasing performance and reducing memory consumption.

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[abit]

I'm monitoring github repo and feeling recent development is very slow. Is it under through testing?

did you checked development branch?

Link?

Lots of commits:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/commits/develop
https://github.com/BitShares/web_wallet/commits/developjs_v1
https://github.com/BitShares/web_services/commits/master
https://github.com/BitShares/BitShares-JS/commits/master
https://github.com/BitShares/fc/commits/master

[bytemaster]

Many of my commits are currently flowing into the "fc" library which is the foundation of BitShares.

https://github.com/BitShares/fc/commits/master

I have been adding utilities that will eventually be used to make BTS faster, safer, and more secure.    Much of my effort is also flowing into meetings with partners.

I am also working on longer term strategic goals and roadmaps that cannot be released until after a careful review by all developers.   

Don't worry, I am still working on the project and looking to bring substantial value to BTS.    In particular I am looking into ways of improving the user experience by increasing performance and reducing memory consumption.

[Brekyrself]

Yeah it has been. I don't see any commits from bytemaster either. It really seems as though BM is leaving the project.

No blog posts since January 30 either.  I do recall reading about refactoring the code thus there may be more things going on offline?

[clout]

Yeah it has been. I don't see any commits from bytemaster either. It really seems as though BM is leaving the project.

[lil_jay890]

Usually the milestones are updated once a day on github... and there appears to have been progress every day over the last week or so.

The problem isn't with bitshares, it is with crypto 2.0...  A look at coinmarketcap over the last week shows money flowing out of the 2.0 projects and into bitcoin.  Bitcoin has been the best performer out of the top 10 crypto currencies over the last week

[nomoreheroes7]

Agreed, the utter silence coupled with the lack of any solid evidence that work is being done sure doesn't make an investor feel very secure...

If this truly is the solution to avoiding PR problems, it frankly isn't working.

[onceuponatime]

I'm monitoring github repo and feeling recent development is very slow. Is it under through testing?

did you checked development branch?

Link?

[cass]

I'm monitoring github repo and feeling recent development is very slow. Is it under through testing?

did you checked development branch?

[clayop]

I'm monitoring github repo and feeling recent development is very slow. Is it under through testing?