Proposal: get a 2.0 Forum with the Launch of BitShares 2.0

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Quote from: Riverhead on June 20, 2015, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: starspirit on June 20, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
It might be nice, but this is an aesthetic change that would not rank up there for me.
Now what I would like to see down the track is some industrial grade app that could operate like a collaborative workbench like a true decentralised business would want to use, where users could form project networks, securely share working files, host decentralised meetings, etc etc.
Slack on a blockchain?

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Riverhead

Quote from: starspirit on June 20, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
It might be nice, but this is an aesthetic change that would not rank up there for me.
Now what I would like to see down the track is some industrial grade app that could operate like a collaborative workbench like a true decentralised business would want to use, where users could form project networks, securely share working files, host decentralised meetings, etc etc.
Slack on a blockchain?

starspirit

It might be nice, but this is an aesthetic change that would not rank up there for me.
Now what I would like to see down the track is some industrial grade app that could operate like a collaborative workbench like a true decentralised business would want to use, where users could form project networks, securely share working files, host decentralised meetings, etc etc.

fav

Quote from: testz on June 20, 2015, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
you want innovate with bitshares 2.0 and then send people to this forum? it's like showing them our current client.

Don't see connection with innovate bitshares 2.0 and our current client. I give NeuCoin forum as example of Discourse.

Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
also, no problem with neucoin forum, it's just a matter of adaption

Everything is matter of adaptation, but why we should change something which works good for us, only because we want users think what we do great things like changing forum engine?

because our current client is outdated and last gen, in a sense. and this is not about personal prefernece, it's just every other competitor moved away from the old bitcointalk style. We should not fail to follow the trend,
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JA

Maybe let @cass or someone else change the css
If someone has some ideas we could use stylebot https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha to check it out before we apply it.


testz

Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
you want innovate with bitshares 2.0 and then send people to this forum? it's like showing them our current client.

Don't see connection with innovate bitshares 2.0 and our current client. I give NeuCoin forum as example of Discourse.

Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
also, no problem with neucoin forum, it's just a matter of adaption

Everything is matter of adaptation, but why we should change something which works good for us, only because we want users think what we do great things like changing forum engine?

fav

Quote from: testz on June 20, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 06:15:23 AM
Quote from: bitsapphire on June 19, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: vikram on June 19, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'd support migrating to Discourse, which seems to be what all the cool kids use these days.

The only reason we haven't switched to Discourse is because there are no good mobile clients for it. About half of the bitsharestalk traffic is mobile (especially China).

Discourse looks better and easier to use in my mobile browser than this forum.

I'm not supporting migration to Discourse (or to other forum engine). Forum for us it's a working tool, why we need to change something that works good/great?

Try to read this forum for 5 minutes, then back to our forum and you will understand the difference:
http://forum.neucoin.org/

you want innovate with bitshares 2.0 and then send people to this forum? it's like showing them our current client.

also, no problem with neucoin forum, it's just a matter of adaption
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Quote from: fav on June 20, 2015, 06:15:23 AM
Quote from: bitsapphire on June 19, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: vikram on June 19, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'd support migrating to Discourse, which seems to be what all the cool kids use these days.

The only reason we haven't switched to Discourse is because there are no good mobile clients for it. About half of the bitsharestalk traffic is mobile (especially China).

Discourse looks better and easier to use in my mobile browser than this forum.

I'm not supporting migration to Discourse (or to other forum engine). Forum for us it's a working tool, why we need to change something that works good/great?

Try to read this forum for 5 minutes, then back to our forum and you will understand the difference:
http://forum.neucoin.org/

fav

Quote from: bitsapphire on June 19, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: vikram on June 19, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'd support migrating to Discourse, which seems to be what all the cool kids use these days.

The only reason we haven't switched to Discourse is because there are no good mobile clients for it. About half of the bitsharestalk traffic is mobile (especially China).

Discourse looks better and easier to use in my mobile browser than this forum.
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jsidhu

I dont see how the forum can be decentral unless u put the sql db stuff in our blockchain bloating it with a forum which wouldnt provide much financial incentive to host it and if u charge per post noone will post.
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jsidhu

Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 03:54:24 PM
Quote from: jsidhu on June 19, 2015, 03:49:30 PM
Qora only can host a simple html page.

that is about to change. https://goo.gl/CnmCpN

Its easy to be abke to put any amount of data in the blockchain infact I was thinking about putting popcorntime on a chain and create a custom browser to be able to browse a decentral website analogous to any other site.. howver the better way is to do ddns which really isnt out there unless u wanna run a custom dns resolver on ur system. So i dont think any of the hard problems are being solved by qora unless im mistaken? A whitepaper would help.
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bitsapphire

Quote from: vikram on June 19, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'd support migrating to Discourse, which seems to be what all the cool kids use these days.

The only reason we haven't switched to Discourse is because there are no good mobile clients for it. About half of the bitsharestalk traffic is mobile (especially China).
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vikram

Quote from: cylonmaker2053 on June 19, 2015, 05:18:24 PM
Are there better forum templates available on GitHub?

even with  a forum tech migration, it'd be great if all history of this forum, incl. user profiles and posts, migrated into the new one.

Yes I would think this should be a prerequisite for any upgrade that might happen.

cylonmaker2053

Are there better forum templates available on GitHub?

even with  a forum tech migration, it'd be great if all history of this forum, incl. user profiles and posts, migrated into the new one.

vikram

I would support migrating the forum to hosted Discourse https://payments.discourse.org/buy/ controlled be a few trusted community leaders and funded by a paid delegate position, and maybe moving the url to be forum.bitshares.org.


jsidhu

Quote from: fav on June 19, 2015, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:54:36 AM


Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
Qora already put blogs on a blockchain, so let's put the forum on the blockchain!  :P

we're working with CIYAM on a decentralized forum application ;)

I knew it was too cool to be my idea.

why not work with qora to get a full featured solution? DNS/WEB/Blog/Forum
Qora only can host a simple html page.. There is no ddns built in.. For that it's more complicated and qora is really simple solution
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vikram

It's an important question to consider; the forum is the most important resource and consensus-building tool the stakeholders have right now.

vikram

I'd support migrating to Discourse, which seems to be what all the cool kids use these days.

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Tuck Fheman

you left the decentralized forum option off of the poll.  ;)

fav

Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
poll added ... let us take a look what community thinks about!
If 2.0 .. sure go ahead .. just want to say... we don't have time to test etc it currently due the fact we have to much on TODO currently... and this forum works well for most of us :)

I'm using other forums (2.0) but i'm still fine SMF here ..
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doesn't have to be right away. with the launch of bitshares 2.0 would be okay
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Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
.. we don't have time to test etc it currently due the fact we have to much on TODO currently... and this forum works well for most of us :)

Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:54:36 AM
we're working with CIYAM on a decentralized forum application ;)

MmmHmmm ;)

cass

poll added ... let us take a look what community thinks about!
If 2.0 .. sure go ahead .. just want to say... we don't have time to test etc it currently due the fact we have to much on TODO currently... and this forum works well for most of us :)

I'm using other forums (2.0) but i'm still fine SMF here ..
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fav

Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
lol ...so on top of all this new things poppin up you think users can then also just learn how to use new forum then?
... when all is in line etc.. then yes maybe it would make sense .. but IMO not yet ..

this argument stays only true for people ONLY using ONE forum. everyone else, plus new users are most likely familiar with "2.0" forums and prefer that experience.
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Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:54:36 AM


Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
Qora already put blogs on a blockchain, so let's put the forum on the blockchain!  :P

we're working with CIYAM on a decentralized forum application ;)

I knew it was too cool to be my idea.

why not work with qora to get a full featured solution? DNS/WEB/Blog/Forum
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Tuck Fheman

Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:54:36 AM


Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
Qora already put blogs on a blockchain, so let's put the forum on the blockchain!  :P

we're working with CIYAM on a decentralized forum application ;)

I knew it was too cool to be my idea.

cass



Quote from: Tuck Fheman on June 19, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
Qora already put blogs on a blockchain, so let's put the forum on the blockchain!  :P

we're working with CIYAM on a decentralized forum application ;)
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Tuck Fheman

Qora already put blogs on a blockchain, so let's put the forum on the blockchain!  :P

cass

lol ...so on top of all this new things poppin up you think users can then also just learn how to use new forum then?
... when all is in line etc.. then yes maybe it would make sense .. but IMO not yet ..
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fav

Quote from: cass on June 19, 2015, 11:46:41 AM
we discussed this in depth before ...

I'm personally not thinking we should change forum ... then users have to get familiar with a new software etc.

just my 2 cents


there's always a learning process. users have to learn bitshares 2.0 too, but that can't stop the movement. right?
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cass

we discussed this in depth before ...

I'm personally not thinking we should change forum ... then users have to get familiar with a new software etc.

just my 2 cents
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fav

There are so many state of the art forums (eg. forum.gethashing.com) with messaging, social, and many more features.

why don't we follow up with our new product?
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