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Growing up in a world where money tends to travel digitally rather than physically gives a bit of a different perspective on things. To me, the money in my bank feels more 'real' than physical paper money, because the money in my bank is what I tend to buy things with and what I use to pay for bills. Because of this, I'm going to flip things around and try to explain BitUSD from a perspective that I don't think has been explored yet:

BitUSD is pegged to the USD because it says it is.

That may seem a little hand wavy, but the social meme of a perceived value from branding is a lot more powerful than people tend to assume. Take paper money. There's no reason a $5 bill has to buy the same amount of stuff as the abstract concept of '$5'. You could just as easily walk into a grocery store and find that you can purchase 2 loaves of bread for $5 sent through your debit card where a $5 paper bill might only buy you a single loaf of bread. This rarely happens, however, because the expectation that others will value the $5 paper bill at $5 motivates people to treat it as being worth $5.

With bitUSD, the expectation that 1 bitUSD will be worth 1 USD keeps it at equilibrium. If people sell their bitUSD and the price drops, then this will trigger investors to buy, as they expect the long term value to be larger than the current value. This, in turn, drives the price back up. If people buy enough to push the price above 1 USD then this triggers sells, as the current price is higher than the perceived value. This, in turn, drives the price back down to its perceived value. This is called a 'nash equilibrium': The value of something that is arrived at by the actors in a system because of the perception that the other actors will arrive at the same value.

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Person 1: So you think that just because you name a virtual asset, its value will be that of what you name it after??? Just because this one is called "GLD" it will have more than 1000 times the value of the one called "USD"??

Person 2: Yes, what do you think is the difference between a 100 dollar bill and a 1 dollar bill.

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Growing up in a world where money tends to travel digitally rather than physically gives a bit of a different perspective on things. To me, the money in my bank feels more 'real' than physical paper money, because the money in my bank is what I tend to buy things with and what I use to pay for bills. Because of this, I'm going to flip things around and try to explain BitUSD from a perspective that I don't think has been explored yet:

BitUSD is pegged to the USD because it says it is.

That may seem a little hand wavy, but the social meme of a perceived value from branding is a lot more powerful than people tend to assume. Take paper money. There's no reason a $5 bill has to buy the same amount of stuff as the abstract concept of '$5'. You could just as easily walk into a grocery store and find that you can purchase 2 loaves of bread for $5 sent through your debit card where a $5 paper bill might only buy you a single loaf of bread. This rarely happens, however, because the expectation that others will value the $5 paper bill at $5 motivates people to treat it as being worth $5.

With bitUSD, the expectation that 1 bitUSD will be worth 1 USD keeps it at equilibrium. If people sell their bitUSD and the price drops, then this will trigger investors to buy, as they expect the long term value to be larger than the current value. This, in turn, drives the price back up. If people buy enough to push the price above 1 USD then this triggers sells, as the current price is higher than the perceived value. This, in turn, drives the price back down to its perceived value. This is called a 'nash equilibrium': The value of something that is arrived at by the actors in a system because of the perception that the other actors will arrive at the same value.
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The BitShares Bank and Exchange is like a public web based utility, much like water and electricity, except with it has no government interactions, nor any interactions with regulators. It's primary function is to turn USD into an electronic form, BitUSD, so that the dollars can transfer online, without the sizable bank fees we see in today's US banking market.  The pegging of BitUSD to USD is a direct market tie in wherein BitUSD's are like the chips you use in Vegas casinos that can be exchanged for real USD at any given time.


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MY A:关于BTS平台上比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2589.0

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Here's my take:

A BitUSD is essentially a certificate that says “The BitShares network promises to pay the bearer $1 worth of BitShares upon request.” So suppose at some point a BitUSD is worth 9 BitShares, but $1 is worth 10 BitShares. In other words, BitUSD is trading at a bargain - if I buy 90 BitUSD, I can redeem them for $100 as long as I trust the BitShares network to make good on its promise. So I will go and buy as many of these cheap BitUSD as I can until the price of BitUSD again matches that of fiat-USD.

Good. Only 50% of the answer.   What about when it is overpriced and  how does the network make good? 


The exact opposite. Suppose one BitUSD is worth 11 BitShares when $1 is worth 10 BitShares. Now, BitUSD is trading at a premium to USD: I have to buy 110 BitUSD to get a redemption value of $100, so I will not buy BitUSD. Rather, owners of BitUSD will sell as many of them as it takes to bring the price of BitUSD down to parity with fiat-USD.
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Here's my take:

A BitUSD is essentially a certificate that says “The BitShares network promises to pay the bearer $1 worth of BitShares upon request.” So suppose at some point a BitUSD is worth 9 BitShares, but $1 is worth 10 BitShares. In other words, BitUSD is trading at a bargain - if I buy 90 BitUSD, I can redeem them for $100 as long as I trust the BitShares network to make good on its promise. So I will go and buy as many of these cheap BitUSD as I can until the price of BitUSD again matches that of fiat-USD.

Good. Only 50% of the answer.   What about when it is overpriced and  how does the network make good? 


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Here's my take:

A BitUSD is essentially a certificate that says “The BitShares network promises to pay the bearer $1 worth of BitShares upon request.” So suppose at some point a BitUSD is worth 9 BitShares, but $1 is worth 10 BitShares. In other words, BitUSD is trading at a bargain - if I buy 90 BitUSD, I can redeem them for $100 as long as I trust the BitShares network to make good on its promise. So I will go and buy as many of these cheap BitUSD as I can until the price of BitUSD again matches that of fiat-USD.
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Countries print money to do this and are not concerned with trading losses. 

This is a poor analogy because it invites the attack that these kinds of pegs are unsustainable. 


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Right, I can see how it could invite an attack,  but the analogy remains
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Countries print money to do this and are not concerned with trading losses. 

This is a poor analogy because it invites the attack that these kinds of pegs are unsustainable. 


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How I view it:

The way Countries use US Treasuries to peg their currency to the US dollar is analogous to how traders use BitShares to peg BitUSD to the US dollar: A country will monitor its exchange rate relative to the dollar's value. If their currency falls below a certain range, the country will buy dollars in the form of US Treasuries - increasing their currency’s value so it once again falls within the intended range. If their currency were to rise above the range, the country would sell its Treasuries to lower their currency’s value back within its targeted range. Similarly traders monitor BitUSD relative to the dollar's value. If BitUSD falls below a certain range, traders buy dollars in the form of BitShares - thus increasing the BitUSD value so it falls within the intended range. If BitUSD were to rise above the range, traders sell BitShares to lower BitUSD back within its targeted range.

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Here is my succinct explanation:

BitUSD is a digital asset traded on the internal exchange built into the Bitshares blockchain. BitUSD tracks the value of a dollar relative to Bitshares. This happens by behavioural confirmation - all traders in the blockchain expect BitUSD to peg to the dollar, which leads them to trade in ways that confirm that expectation. If traders start to see Bitshares rising in value relative to dollars, this will result in lower bids being put in for BitUSD because of the expectation of seeing lower asks from the shorts.

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Here is my succinct explanation:

BitUSD is a digital asset traded on the internal exchange built into the Bitshares blockchain. BitUSD tracks the value of a dollar relative to Bitshares. This happens by behavioural confirmation - all traders in the blockchain expect BitUSD to peg to the dollar, which leads them to trade in ways that confirm that expectation. If traders start to see Bitshares rising in value relative to dollars, this will result in lower bids being put in for BitUSD because of the expectation of seeing lower asks from the shorts.

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Below is an adaption of something I wrote earlier https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=13.15

bitUSD will track the price of USD due to the suggestive pricing nature of the asset (ie. it is called bitUSD).
Akin to Litecoin which is said to be the silver to Bitcoin (being gold), as a result the relationship between bitcoin and litecoin is highly similar to that of gold and silver.

This was achieved through mere suggestion by the Litecoin developers that Litecoin is the silver to Bitcoins gold.
In a system such as BitShares BEX, where a bitasset is brought into existence with the tangible asset price in mind (it is called bitUSD), the tracking of the tangible asset price will be much more precise.

References for LTC tracking BTC price in silver to gold manner.
http://thegenesisblock.com/understanding-the-gold-silver-ratio-and-how-it-may-apply-to-bitcoin-and-litecoin/
http://thegenesisblock.com/bitcoin-litecoin-ratio-returns-historic-norm-peercoin-climbs-200/

This is not why litecoin is valued where it is and is and is more of a coincidence.
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