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Bitshares Wikipedia article
« on: May 14, 2014, 07:33:24 PM »

I would like to use this thread for our Bitshares wikipedia article.

Here we can propose and discuss changes

The current temporary page can be found at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bitshares

I have been messaging the previous editor to try and speed up the review process.

If anyone knows any wikipedia editors who can help of with approval of the article that would be great.


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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2014, 07:42:55 PM »
"articles for review are severely backlogged"

So let's take care of all the issues they listed before it gets reviewed again:

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1. Tone has a throbbing undertow of excitement: understandable but needs adjustment.
2. Numerous technical errors e.g. authorship of reference 3 is unequivocally wrong, and the sentence it cites does not seem to receive support from that source (using bot search for cited individual.)
3. Would benefit from adding more WP:RS used carefully. Uncited assertions are not going to fly per Wikipedia guidelines.
4. Several in-line links attach to deprecated or non-existent sites - needs clean up.
5. Perhaps (stylistic issue) there is undue use of unexplained jargon.
Good luck. Overall, should eventually be an acceptable article if these issues are properly addressed. (Note: Help available at Teahouse).
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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 07:13:19 AM »
Yes I have already made substantial changes addressing the below before re-submitting the article.
But if more improvements can be found, fantastic.
(I left the criticisms on the article so that the reviewer is reminded of what he/she said initially).
 
"articles for review are severely backlogged"

So let's take care of all the issues they listed before it gets reviewed again:

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1. Tone has a throbbing undertow of excitement: understandable but needs adjustment.
2. Numerous technical errors e.g. authorship of reference 3 is unequivocally wrong, and the sentence it cites does not seem to receive support from that source (using bot search for cited individual.)
3. Would benefit from adding more WP:RS used carefully. Uncited assertions are not going to fly per Wikipedia guidelines.
4. Several in-line links attach to deprecated or non-existent sites - needs clean up.
5. Perhaps (stylistic issue) there is undue use of unexplained jargon.
Good luck. Overall, should eventually be an acceptable article if these issues are properly addressed. (Note: Help available at Teahouse).

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 07:27:26 AM »
I just asked the reddit community (r/CryptoCurrency) for a feedback.

Maybe we can arrange some tipping there for good feedback!

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/25lxx6/bitshares_on_wikipedia_neutral_point_of_view/
Give BitShares a try! Use the http://testnet.bitshares.eu provided by http://bitshares.eu

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 12:38:35 PM »
We have received some feedback on the wiki article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bitshares

Please feel free to make changes so that it can be accepted.
I will work on it again but am extremely busy at work at the moment.


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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 03:34:37 AM »
Great work, very close now! +5% +5%

We should have "reception" section like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum too,
it seems there we can brag and pretend not to brag while bragging about press. ;)

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 12:46:31 AM »
Please proofread the submitted draft at the link below;  it can take up to 3 weeks to be reviewed so we have plenty of time to do some more edits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BitShares

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2015, 01:02:55 AM »
Please proofread the submitted draft at the link below;  it can take up to 3 weeks to be reviewed so we have plenty of time to do some more edits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BitShares

BitShares is a decentralized, industrial-grade financial smart contract wannabe platform.

There - fixed it for you. :) It's great wishful thinking, but there is nothing smart contract about BTS yet.

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 01:05:01 AM »
Please proofread the submitted draft at the link below;  it can take up to 3 weeks to be reviewed so we have plenty of time to do some more edits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BitShares

BitShares is a decentralized, industrial-grade financial smart contract wannabe platform.

There - fixed it for you. :) It's great wishful thinking, but there is nothing smart contract about BTS yet.

Aren't BitAssets technically a financial smart contract?

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2015, 03:00:23 AM »
Aren't BitAssets technically a financial smart contract?

Smart contract is an overloaded term, but to me it means that anyone can negotiate the terms and write their own rules in some script. e.g. Ethereum, Eris would satisfy that. So far BitAssets have not only been in full control of the devs, but aside from being hard coded and not customizable, the rules have been constantly changing. One minute you can short indefinitely, the next there is a 30 day window to cover, then there is interest rate, then there isn't, etc.

So until they have a proposal with clearly defined protocol, and an implementation that follows it and works flawlessly, I'm going to call this a wishful thinking.

Don't get me wrong BitAssets are better in my mind than NuBits, but could have been so much better.

The issue is BitMeister wants to invent everything and control everything. I would've liked to see BitAssets be freely defined by users in a way that people can compete as to which formula tracks an asset the best. All of these discussions could've been competing smart contracts, instead of the whole community waiting on one man to come up with the holy grail.

Just my 2 bits.

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2015, 03:02:46 AM »
Aren't BitAssets technically a financial smart contract?

Smart contract is an overloaded term, but to me it means that anyone can negotiate the terms and write their own rules in some script. e.g. Ethereum, Eris would satisfy that. So far BitAssets have not only been in full control of the devs, but aside from being hard coded and not customizable, the rules have been constantly changing. One minute you can short indefinitely, the next there is a 30 day window to cover, then there is interest rate, then there isn't, etc.

So until they have a proposal with clearly defined protocol, and an implementation that follows it and works flawlessly, I'm going to call this a wishful thinking.

Don't get me wrong BitAssets are better in my mind than NuBits, but could have been so much better.

The issue is BitMeister wants to invent everything and control everything. I would've liked to see BitAssets be freely defined by users in a way that people can compete as to which formula tracks an asset the best. All of these discussions could've been competing smart contracts, instead of the whole community waiting on one man to come up with the holy grail.

Just my 2 bits.

Lol "BitMeister". Did you see that the new architecture will have Privatized BitAssets that allow users to configure the parameters?

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2015, 03:09:17 AM »
Lol "BitMeister". Did you see that the new architecture will have Privatized BitAssets that allow users to configure the parameters?

Will being the key word. The wikipedia article claims that this IS now. Fact is that it isn't. Just saying. If the article said, "BitShares has the ambition to..." then I would wholeheartedly agree with it.

Hey if they can deliver more power to them. But fact is, until there is a solid documentation, security threat tree, protocol definition, etc. No one is going to take this work seriously in the crypto community. Any big player would hire an expert to assess the tech before they commit to it.

I keep reiterating these points, because I think they are doable, and I hope they do it right this time. Enough of this day dreaming, let's have community and devs focus on deliverables, roadmaps and what's viable, doable, etc.

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2015, 03:14:20 AM »
Lol "BitMeister". Did you see that the new architecture will have Privatized BitAssets that allow users to configure the parameters?

Will being the key word. The wikipedia article claims that this IS now. Fact is that it isn't. Just saying. If the article said, "BitShares has the ambition to..." then I would wholeheartedly agree with it.

Hey if they can deliver more power to them. But fact is, until there is a solid documentation, security threat tree, protocol definition, etc. No one is going to take this work seriously in the crypto community. Any big player would hire an expert to assess the tech before they commit to it.

I keep reiterating these points, because I think they are doable, and I hope they do it right this time. Enough of this day dreaming, let's have community and devs focus on deliverables, roadmaps and what's viable, doable, etc.

The real question is what features advertised on the web refresh are completed already in the graphene codebase? Even though the live net isn't released, if the code is completed and privately testable I don't think the assertions are such a stretch. They aren't in the wild yet, but do they already exist?

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Re: Bitshares Wikipedia article
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2015, 03:27:38 AM »
The real question is what features advertised on the web refresh are completed already in the graphene codebase? Even though the live net isn't released, if the code is completed and privately testable I don't think the assertions are such a stretch. They aren't in the wild yet, but do they already exist?

Even if they have the code 100% complete, I would take it with a grain of salt. The fact is it was developed in a vacuum. It is so easy to think you are God Almighty, when you live in a bubble. Furthermore if there is some fundamental security issue, the whole thing may need to be refactored anyways. Security through obscurity doesn't work.

The restrictive license is funny too. As if everyone and their mom, rushed to "steal" the current BTS code. There have been a lot more NXT clones than BTS clones. (In fact I can't think of a single clone of BTS that was listed on exchange anywhere, but I could be wrong)

 

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