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Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« on: June 05, 2014, 10:41:57 PM »

There's been too many technical questions lately, I'm throwing a few management questions out there:

Is there a limit to how many DACs should be launched in one day?  one week?  one month?

As an industry, we've got a lot in the pipe and Murphy's Law dictates that all developers could finish on the same day!  (Especially since they all get the same 90%-done head start from using the same toolkit.)

As a thought experiment, if we (as an independent community of developers) did have a whole batch ready to go at about the same time, which would be better?

1.  Hold them to launch all at the same time to generate a blazing mile-high spike of buzz?

2.  Launch them serially, separated by days, weeks, months to give each one chance to be flavor of the day/week/month?

Should their snapshots be done all at the same time or spaced out as well?

What's the best roll-out strategy?


« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 10:46:22 PM by Stan »
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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 11:40:20 PM »
I'd say for the initial launch of DACs, to choose the most well developed and seemingly stable ones and release those ones first.

Might be hard to decide, but thats whats logical to me :)

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 11:41:44 PM »
I think 2-4 weeks apart is best. Snapshots should be staggered as well.

Just think...

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 11:44:29 PM »
I'd say for the initial launch of DACs, to choose the most well developed and seemingly stable ones and release those ones first.

Might be hard to decide, but thats whats logical to me :)

I'd say choose the first two in different jurisdictions.

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 12:04:46 AM »
Definitly not the same days imho. The market would have no idea how to price a bunch of new cutting-edge technologies and produce some retarded and erratic valuations.
 
It's better to let the market discover a bit what was the first product and thus assess what might worth the following ones. I think a 2/3 weeks separation is best.

« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 12:06:37 AM by BldSwtTrs »

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 12:05:34 AM »
Fortnightly launches maybe - to balance the effects of flooding the marketplace versus avoiding delaying DACs ready for release.

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 12:28:40 AM »
Try and nurture your devs in such a way that it is all a bit distributed. This DAC some more protein on Tuesdays, that DAC some more carbohydrates on Fridays. And whatever you do make sure bytemaster doesn't OD on Koolaid.

We have all seen what happened at the februari snapshot :/. While back then it was the right thing to do, looking at it now it made no sense whatsoever.

If you were to have 5 DAC's launching in 1 day followed by months of nothing this would certainly not help the cause. This mile high spike of buzz will haunt you till the day that you die I can promise you that :).

4 years ago I drove through southern Serbia in the first week of August. And I drove through dozens of villages that each had multiple trucks filled with watermelons on both sides of the road. Selling their watermelons at dump prices. I got one as big as a skippy ball for 2 euros. Poor man couldn't even lift it. It was so huge in fact that the Montenegran border police took fotos of it.

2 weeks later I drove back and the stench was unbearable. No more trucks but huge piles of watermelons rotting by the side of the road in every village I drove by. We stopped at a supermarket for supplies and there it was: a watermelon in the fridge, imported from Israel. For 6 euros A KILO.

Moral of the story: this is the kind of shit that made Adam Smith think about the basics of economy back in the 18th century. And it is the kind of shit that should make you think about how to structure DAC releases :).

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 12:53:43 AM »
Spacing them out a bit should help build/sustain the buzz. If they're ready, though, I wouldn't hold the DACs back for long. How about one week spacing? It works for football.

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 01:21:00 AM »
How about making it seasonal . So that each DAC has the chance to live up to its expectations. However, DACs are different in businesses so it depends on the timing . All I can suggest is leave a space in between launches.

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 03:22:29 AM »
I think 2-4 weeks apart is best. Snapshots should be staggered as well.

Just think...

* LottoShares (TY freetrade for buying us time)
* XT
* ME
* .p2p
* Lotto (BitShares)
* X
* Music
???
* Voting
* MAS


1. I cannot agree more. 2~4 weeks seems to be the perfect strategy.

2. If the problem Stan was talking about would really happen, it basically means that we could see the the dawn of the victory.

3. However, al least until now, things are not so optimistic.  no product has been finished yet and the price of PTS reflects the doubt and the fear of the investors. We are losing the market. people even doubt that if there will be really some products coming out or when these products are released, if there will be big bugs which could destroy the whole thing. 

4. At last, I just want to say that:  Hope the first product---BTS--- could come soon and well.

PS: Can we have a rough date about the release day?  I am a little worried that by the end of this year, BTS will still be unfinished.






 



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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 03:27:10 AM »
I think we should not split the team before X is mature. XT is not enough, ME is not enough, we need X before we move to other product. We can discuss the plan after X's successful launch. Just my 2c.
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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 04:22:18 AM »
I think 2-4 weeks apart is best. Snapshots should be staggered as well.

Just think...

* LottoShares (TY freetrade for buying us time)
* XT
* ME
* .p2p
* Lotto (BitShares)
* X
* Music
???
* Voting
* MAS


1. I cannot agree more. 2~4 weeks seems to be the perfect strategy.

2. If the problem Stan was talking about would really happen, it basically means that we could see the the dawn of the victory.

3. However, al least until now, things are not so optimistic.  no product has been finished yet and the price of PTS reflects the doubt and the fear of the investors. We are losing the market. people even doubt that if there will be really some products coming out or when these products are released, if there will be big bugs which could destroy the whole thing. 

4. At last, I just want to say that:  Hope the first product---BTS--- could come soon and well.

PS: Can we have a rough date about the release day?  I am a little worried that by the end of this year, BTS will still be unfinished.

Don't worry, be happy!  Our optimism is higher than ever.  Risk is profoundly lower than when we started.  Team productivity is skyrocketing. 

There is a Darwinian natural selection process going on. 
Those who are able to see and correctly assess our status will thrive.
And those are the ones we think should thrive.

Survival of the Fittest!

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« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 04:44:48 AM by Stan »
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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 05:44:29 AM »
Each DAC should be released when each one is ready independent of any other DAC. If that means that sometimes several are released on the same day or they come out weeks apart, so be it.

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 06:13:54 AM »
My personal opinion is that all of them should be released on the same day. Why?

It may be remembered as a special day for years to come. It may be remembered as the day that the average person heard of the 'DAC.'

Plus it helps reward those that stuck around despite the fact that our patience was tested. The people that have already left will regret having left. ;)

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Re: Critical Mass or Fratricide?
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2014, 06:41:03 AM »
Voting should come out first, Air-dropping 10%PTS/10%AGS and air drop like 10% of them to Rand Paul's campaign for president in 2016. 20% to Nigel Farage (a frequent Max Keiser guest) and his UKIP party in the UK...and do the same for other political parties/leadership who have fallen victim to voting scams based on voting systems w/ centralized control.  This would give really good PR before the other DACs start coming out and would get supporters of these movements on board (also connecting us with their VAST network on an issue for which they have great passion).   

The DAC creators should ultimately be deciding how to launch and who to air drop & what %, but air drops that automatically imbue the tokens with meaning and value can be powerful from a marketing perspective because:
1)  Getting shares into the hands of both crypto enthusiasts and newbies who will have an interest in learning how to use them as the tools they are. 
2)  Constant press releases based off of the initial drop and also from the ability of the DAC to bring together altcoin "competitors" around development tasks.
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