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FATHER FORGETS
W. Livingston Larned
Listen, son: I am saying this as you lie asleep, one little
paw crumpled under your cheek and the blond curls stickily
wet on your damp forehead. I have stolen into your room
alone. Just a few minutes ago, as I sat reading my paper
in the library, a stifling wave of remorse swept over me.
Guiltily I came to your bedside.
There are the things I was thinking, son: I had been cross
to you. I scolded you as you were dressing for school because
you gave your face merely a dab with a towel. I took
you to task for not cleaning your shoes. I called out angrily
when you threw some of your things on the floor.
At breakfast I found fault, too. You spilled things. You
gulped down your food. You put your elbows on the table.
You spread butter too thick on your bread. And as you
started off to play and I made for my train, you turned
and waved a hand and called, “Goodbye, Daddy!” and
I frowned, and said in reply, “Hold your shoulders
back!”
Then it began all over again in the late afternoon. As I
came up the road I spied you, down on your knees, playing
marbles. There were holes in your stockings. I humiliated
you before your boyfriends by marching you ahead of me to
the house. Stockings were expensive - and if you had to
buy them you would be more careful! Imagine that, son,
from a father!
Do you remember, later, when I was reading in the library,
how you came in timidly, with a sort of hurt look in
your eyes? When I glanced up over my paper, impatient at
the interruption, you hesitated at the door. “What is it you
want?” I snapped.
You said nothing, but ran across in one tempestuous
plunge, and threw your arms around my neck and kissed
me, and your small arms tightened with an affection that
God had set blooming in your heart and which even neglect
could not wither. And then you were gone, pattering up the
stairs.
Well, son, it was shortly afterwards that my paper slipped
from my hands and a terrible sickening fear came over me.
What has habit been doing to me? The habit of finding fault,
of reprimanding - this was my reward to you for being a
boy. It was not that I did not love you; it was that I expected
too much of youth. I was measuring you by the yardstick of
my own years.
And there was so much that was good and fine and true in
your character. The little heart of you was as big as the
dawn itself over the wide hills. This was shown by your
spontaneous impulse to rush in and kiss me good night.
Nothing else matters tonight, son. I have come to your bed-side
in the darkness, and I have knelt there, ashamed!
It is a feeble atonement; I know you would not understand
these things if I told them to you during your waking
hours. But tomorrow I will be a real daddy! I will chum
with you, and suffer when you suffer, and laugh when you
laugh. I will bite my tongue when impatient words come. I
will keep saying as if it were a ritual: “He is nothing but a
boy - a little boy!”
I am afraid I have visualized you as a man. Yet as I see
you now, son, crumpled and weary in your cot, I see that
you are still a baby. Yesterday you were in your mother’s
arms, your head on her shoulder. I have asked too much,
too much.
Instead of condemning people, let’s try to understand
them. Let’s try to figure out why they do what they do.
That’s a lot more profitable and intriguing than criticism;
and it breeds sympathy, tolerance and kindness. “To
know all is to forgive all.”
As Dr. Johnson said: “God himself, sir, does not propose
to judge man until the end of his days.”
Why should you and I?
PRINCIPLE 1
Don’t criticize, condemn or complain.

I am daddy too and I couldn't managed to hold my tears...
To all sons in the world: We loves you endlessly please forgive our mistakes.

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You are jumping in the anti-Hoskinson bandwagon thread

The principles are open to interpretation and as you point out they can be somewhat paradoxical, but my intention was to be constructive and help people in this community see what went wrong, and how we might go about improving ourselves. I agree that we blew it this time.. I think when it comes to valuing people properly it is only possible to go all-in and have faith.

Fruthermore, I agree that Hoskinson's evaluation of the size of our community, and the popularity of BitShares etc. is probably correct. In fact, from personal observations over the last 3 months I believe that his evaluation is correct.

As I see it, BitShares embodies the spirit of finding solutions and from the perspective of making BitShares a success it does not matter if the problem is with our faulty attitude or with our faulty DPOS code, we just need to fix it and move on.


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holy shit

I made it 25% of the way.....

yea... it's sorta the first chapter of "How to Win Friends and Influence People," by Dale Carnegie.

a business classic. and for good reason in my opinion. I think I might reread some of it tonight as a matter of fact.

 +5% I skipped to the end of the paragraph.

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Principle 1: Don't criticize,condemn or complain.

Principle 2 is... 'In the future, when the Internet is invented, post a link and quote a short excerpt as opposed to an entire chapter of my book in order to win friends and influence people' :D

Kidding, it was a good book, though principle 23 is (genuinely) - http://www.csus.edu/indiv/l/luenemannu/pdf/CommunicationPrinciples.pdf

23. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.

On that note I'm suddenly reminded reading this thread about the old fable of the crow and the raven...

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A Crow became very jealous of a Raven, because the latter was regarded by men as a bird of omen which foretold the future, and was accordingly held in great respect by them. She was very anxious to get the same sort of reputation herself; and, one day, seeing some travellers approaching, she flew on to a branch of a tree at the roadside and cawed as loud as she could. The travellers were in some dismay at the sound, for they feared it might be a bad omen; till one of them, spying the Crow, said to his companions, "It's all right, my friends, we can go on without fear, for it's only a crow and that means nothing."   

http://www.happychild.org.uk/nvs/cont/stories/aesopsfables/page0208.htm

In all seriousness though its pretty obvious he hasn't got closure yet, but it's also obvious he is super intelligent and talented, he's also working on some exciting stuff and personally I wish him much success and personal fulfilment in the future.
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Lol, how many millions did you guys raise again? Alright, well this is going to be a fun exercise.

in my opinion you started it. Maybe willingly.

in one post you want to get information, but at the second you explained in detail why this communtiy is not good. So you following at all and already knew all the information?

Good luck and end of communication

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holy shit

I made it 25% of the way.....

yea... it's sorta the first chapter of "How to Win Friends and Influence People," by Dale Carnegie.

a business classic. and for good reason in my opinion. I think I might reread some of it tonight as a matter of fact.

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holy shit

I made it 25% of the way.....

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“IF YOU WANT TO GATHER
HONEY, DON’T KICK OVER THE
BEEHIVE”
On May 7, 1931, the most sensational manhunt New
York City had ever known had come to its climax. After
weeks of search, “Two Gun” Crowley - the killer, the
gunman who didn’t smoke or drink - was at bay, trapped
in his sweetheart’s apartment on West End Avenue.
One hundred and fifty policemen and detectives laid
siege to his top-floor hideway. They chopped holes in
the roof; they tried to smoke out Crowley, the “cop
killer,” with teargas. Then they mounted their machine
guns on surrounding buildings, and for more than an
hour one of New York’s fine residential areas reverberated
with the crack of pistol fire and the rut-tat-tat of
machine guns. Crowley, crouching behind an over-
stuffed chair, fired incessantly at the police. Ten thousand
excited people watched the battle. Nothing like it
ever been seen before on the sidewalks of New
York.
When Crowley was captured, Police Commissioner
E. P. Mulrooney declared that the two-gun desperado
was one of the most dangerous criminals ever encountered
in the history of New York. “He will kill,” said the
Commissioner, “at the drop of a feather.”
But how did “Two Gun” Crowley regard himself? We
know, because while the police were firing into his
apartment, he wrote a letter addressed “To whom it may
concern, ” And, as he wrote, the blood flowing from his
wounds left a crimson trail on the paper. In this letter
Crowley said: “Under my coat is a weary heart, but a
kind one - one that would do nobody any harm.”
A short time before this, Crowley had been having a
necking party with his girl friend on a country road out
on Long Island. Suddenly a policeman walked up to the
car and said: “Let me see your license.”
Without saying a word, Crowley drew his gun and cut
the policeman down with a shower of lead. As the dying
officer fell, Crowley leaped out of the car, grabbed the
officer’s revolver, and fired another bullet into the prostrate
body. And that was the killer who said: “Under my
coat is a weary heart, but a kind one - one that would do
nobody any harm.’
Crowley was sentenced to the electric chair. When he
arrived at the death house in Sing Sing, did he say, “This
is what I get for killing people”? No, he said: “This is
what I get for defending myself.”
The point of the story is this: “Two Gun” Crowley
didn’t blame himself for anything.
Is that an unusual attitude among criminals? If you
think so, listen to this:
“I have spent the best years of my life giving people
the lighter pleasures, helping them have a good time,
and all I get is abuse, the existence of a hunted man.”
That’s Al Capone speaking. Yes, America’s most notorious
Public Enemy- the most sinister gang leader who
ever shot up Chicago. Capone didn’t condemn himself.
He actually regarded himself as a public benefactor - an
unappreciated and misunderstood public benefactor.
And so did Dutch Schultz before he crumpled up
under gangster bullets in Newark. Dutch Schultz, one of
New York’s most notorious rats, said in a newspaper interview
that he was a public benefactor. And he believed
it.
I have had some interesting correspondence with
Lewis Lawes, who was warden of New York’s infamous
Sing Sing prison for many years, on this subject, and he
declared that “few of the criminals in Sing Sing regard
themselves as bad men. They are just as human as you
and I. So they rationalize, they explain. They can tell
you why they had to crack a safe or be quick on the
trigger finger. Most of them attempt by a form of reasoning,
fallacious or logical, to justify their antisocial acts
even to themselves, consequently stoutly maintaining
that they should never have been imprisoned at all.”
If Al Capone, “Two Gun” Crowley, Dutch Schultz,
and the desperate men and women behind prison walls
don’t blame themselves for anything - what about the
people with whom you and I come in contact?
John Wanamaker, founder of the stores that bear his
name, once confessed: “I learned thirty years ago that it
is foolish to scold. I have enough trouble overcoming my
own limitations without fretting over the fact that God
has not seen fit to distribute evenly the gift of intelligence.”
Wanamaker learned this lesson early, but I personally
had to blunder through this old world for a third of a
century before it even began to dawn upon me that
ninety-nine times out of a hundred, people don’t criticize
themselves for anything, no matter how wrong it
may be.
Criticism is futile because it puts a person on the defensive
and usually makes him strive to justify himself.
Criticism is dangerous, because it wounds a person’s
precious pride, hurts his sense of importance, and
arouses resentment.

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I agree with your analysis NewMine.  However, I felt that the ulterior motives to undermine the BitShares projects and their leadership needed to be called out; if ulteriorly motivated comments weren't in the picture , yes, he very well would be welcomed back by the community's open arms


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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.


What does anyone of your 4 points have to do with a psychological lesson?

1. Live in ignorance.
2. If your ideas are different, I don't want to hear them.
3. Apologize for offending me in #2.
4. Never bring to light the past which could prove me wrong in the present when engaging in #2.

You are jumping in the anti-Hoskinson bandwagon thread (see your #1), preaching a moral high ground in a facetious attitude (see #2), unapologetic (see #3), all the while appealing to some life lesson you learned in your past (see #4).

I do agree with some posters in questioning the intent of Charles Hoskinson. He did seem to legitimately be asking for help only to immediately begin burning bridges.

I believe he was attempting to feel out if he would be welcomed back. He was then pushed into a corner by bitbro, yellowecho, and gamey's comments to only then realize he doesn't want to be apart of this hostile community and could never be truly welcomed back.

What you guys don't realize with your eyes wide shut, is that he was totally right in everything he was saying about Invictus and the current status of Bitshares. He could've done more help than damage at this point and now you scared him off for good.

Oh, you seem to think that Clains' 4 points were directed at Hoskinson? I was assuming that they were directed at this community because we blew it and have lost out on his tentative feeling out of a new connection with Bitshares
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 01:18:58 am by onceuponatime »

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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.

What does anyone of your 4 points have to do with a psychological lesson?

1. Live in ignorance.
2. If your ideas are different, I don't want to hear them.
3. Apologize for offending me in #2.
4. Never bring to light the past which could prove me wrong in the present when engaging in #2.

You are jumping in the anti-Hoskinson bandwagon thread (see your #1), preaching a moral high ground in a facetious attitude (see #2), unapologetic (see #3), all the while appealing to some life lesson you learned in your past (see #4).

I do agree with some posters in questioning the intent of Charles Hoskinson. He did seem to legitimately be asking for help only to immediately begin burning bridges.

I believe he was attempting to feel out if he would be welcomed back. He was then pushed into a corner by bitbro, yellowecho, and gamey's comments to only then realize he doesn't want to be apart of this hostile community and could never be truly welcomed back.

What you guys don't realize with your eyes wide shut, is that he was totally right in everything he was saying about Invictus and the current status of Bitshares. He could've done more help than damage at this point and now you scared him off for good.

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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.

 +5%  I'm going to make this into some kind of art and have it framed when I get a place to live.
God CLains, much love bro.
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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.

 +5%  I'm going to make this into some kind of art and have it framed when I get a place to live.

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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.

Yes.

Many brilliant people can be very thin skinned and feel misunderstood.

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Psychological lessons,

1. Principle of Charity: See the best in everyone.
2. Be helpful, friendly and constructive, or be silent.
3. Apologize if you come across offending, never justify.
4. Never appeal to the past in an emotional discussion.