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I still do believe

It's obvious you believe, the question is can you articulate your belief or do you just believe whatever words come out of his mouth?   I can't even tell what the vision is any more, it was clear to me in the beginning.  Help me understand.

Everyone shittalks other's projects.  How would any intelligent person call Bitshares a "ponzi".  It is absurd. You're only an enemy because of your FUD. Like insulting the whole Bitshares community because you were arguing with one guy.

The "vision" is a toolkit that enables DAC creation and a properly incentivized structure around it.  The "vision" is the same it has been since I have been here.  You act like they've changed product lines or something silly.  They've refactored some things and no one is happy with the delays but we are happier with a significantly more robust system.

People act like there is a comprehensive system to build DACs with.  You can fork a coin and write all the support code yourself, but why?  Bitshares is doing what they've been doing since the beginning.  That is the "vision".
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It's obvious you believe, the question is can you articulate your belief or do you just believe whatever words come out of his mouth?   I can't even tell what the vision is any more, it was clear to me in the beginning.  Help me understand.

I will buy you out completely if you like.  No one should invest in what they don't understand, so I feel for you because the game has changed slightly. PM me and I will buy you out at cost plus goodwill.


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I still do believe

It's obvious you believe, the question is can you articulate your belief or do you just believe whatever words come out of his mouth?   I can't even tell what the vision is any more, it was clear to me in the beginning.  Help me understand.
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I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.
Still you are educating others about our goals and techniques .. and you are doing great explaining it!

Unfortunately those guys seem to have no interest in constructive feedback .. otherwise they would join the discussion over here and not on a private skype chat.

Maybe one more thing: they issue with stake in several other systems (best example is NXT) is that the stakes are not fairly distributed .. sure bitshares stakes are also not fairly distributed (i guess) but your surely agree that we have a much wider distribution of stake than any other proof-of-stake crypto such as peercoin/blackcoin/darkcoin and others.
That's maybe one of the big advantages we have over here.

BTW. we have initiated contact with freenode admins to recover the already registered #bitshares channel ..

Why would groups like swarm come to bitshares when others have a working product, right now, that don't demand 20% of their money supply before the community will  "support" them.     Why would they want to visit these confusing, hostile forums when they could save themselves the trouble and bang their head against a more conveniently located brick wall

Bitshares is one of the smallest 2.0 communities, do you notice how when 30 people join to complain about their investment taking an extra 200% of the timeline that was sold to them it's a big deal?  That's because there are less than two hundred active members on the forum, and the ones that are left are the TRUE BELIEVERS.    Invictus did one thing "right", they locked people in so as they make bad choices there is no way for their investors to escape them. 

I'm an industry evangelist.  I want all the 2.0 protocols to succeed.  Why are you arguing with me?  Because you backed what turned out to be a very risky horse.  I'm sorry about that, we all believed in Daniels vision in the beginning.
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-Appearing on the 3rd day and saying – 'Sorry for the delay, I was drunk from the IPO party 3 days ago';
.....this is really a point you want to hang your hat on?   Things are confusing in early days, I would assume you'd be sympathetic.

I am really sympathetic – I have my share of drinking problems… I can only imagine how drunk will I get when I have scammed people for 10 Mil and have to do no work for it… really drunk like 3 day total obliviation…
You realize that unless you're closely paying attention, most people in the crypto space think Bitshares is an out and out scam, right?  It's just blowing my mind you can be so blind to the irony.

Let me show you what Invictus looks like from the outside, this was in the swarm skype chat.   


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[6/24/2014 10:06:03 AM] Niceplum: Adam B. Levine, I spent 20+ hrs researching bitshares, its a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's really not
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: lol
[6/24/2014 10:06:12 AM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : it's a bad joke wishing that it was a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:13 AM] Niceplum: time will tell
[6/24/2014 10:06:17 AM] Adam B. Levine: I would agree with Joel
[6/24/2014 10:06:30 AM] Niceplum: how does it expect to give people back more money
[6/24/2014 10:06:32 AM] Niceplum: if they buy BitUSD
[6/24/2014 10:06:35 AM] Niceplum: and then convert back
[6/24/2014 10:06:47 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's not the majority of the bitshares project
[6/24/2014 10:06:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: the interesting part is the underlying technology they've reinvented
[6/24/2014 10:07:02 AM] Niceplum: no, but that is a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: no, that is a confidence game
[6/24/2014 10:07:12 AM | Edited 10:07:14 AM] Adam B. Levine: a ponzi implies there is a guy named ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:14 AM] Niceplum: which technology?
[6/24/2014 10:07:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: delegated proof of stake
[6/24/2014 10:07:23 AM] Niceplum: where
[6/24/2014 10:07:26 AM] Adam B. Levine: they're on alpha chain 5
[6/24/2014 10:07:32 AM] Niceplum: source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: bitsharestalk.com
[6/24/2014 10:07:41 AM] Adam B. Levine: good luck
[6/24/2014 10:07:44 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:07:48 AM] Niceplum: actual source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:51 AM] Niceplum: is it on there
[6/24/2014 10:07:55 AM] Adam B. Levine: yeah hang on
[6/24/2014 10:08:40 AM] Adam B. Levine: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5250.0
[6/24/2014 10:09:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: both NXT and Bitshares are really attacking confirmation times, which things like msc and xcp demonstrate are quite long in the bitcoin paradigm where blocks occasionally take an hour
[6/24/2014 10:09:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: it didnt used to matter
[6/24/2014 10:10:16 AM] Adam B. Levine: but now when actions are only as granular as how long it takes for it to be included in a block, suddenly it's a lifetime
[6/24/2014 10:10:43 AM] Niceplum: BitShares isn't a cryptocurrency though, how is it possible to compare them
[6/24/2014 10:10:50 AM] Adam B. Levine: how can you say that?
[6/24/2014 10:11:16 AM] Niceplum: because the whitepaper defines it as a decentralized for-profit bank?
[6/24/2014 10:11:33 AM | Edited 10:11:39 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's like saying bitcoin isn't a cryptocurrency because its whitepaper defines it as decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:11:50 AM] orperelman: lol
[6/24/2014 10:11:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: cryptocurrency is a broad categorical classificaiton having to do with how the network actually works, not what it calls itself
[6/24/2014 10:12:08 AM] Niceplum: well then its not decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:12:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's a token that can be transmitted irrevocably to any network connected terminal
[6/24/2014 10:12:37 AM] Adam B. Levine: call it what you, that's a token and tokens are cryptocurrencies
[6/24/2014 10:12:48 AM] Niceplum: irrevocably? but isn't that against the idea of TaPOS
[6/24/2014 10:12:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: unless you're talking about the kind you hold in your hand
[6/24/2014 10:12:56 AM] Niceplum: where people vote whats valid and not
[6/24/2014 10:12:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was thrown out
[6/24/2014 10:13:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:13:12 AM] Adam B. Levine: this is DPOS
[6/24/2014 10:13:18 AM] Niceplum: DPOS?
[6/24/2014 10:13:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was (Transactions as Proof of Stake)
[6/24/2014 10:13:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: DPOS is Delegated Proof of Stake
[6/24/2014 10:13:36 AM] Niceplum: which means?
[6/24/2014 10:13:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: Feel free to read up on it
[6/24/2014 10:13:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: github link is in the thread linked earlier
[6/24/2014 10:13:55 AM] Niceplum: its not transparent forging is it
[6/24/2014 10:14:00 AM] Adam B. Levine: it seems similar
[6/24/2014 10:14:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: but its not based on your stake, its based on the stake people throw behind you based on transparent performance
[6/24/2014 10:14:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: votes are cast automatically I believe for the best performing delegates judged by transaction inclusion rate, long term consistency, etc
[6/24/2014 10:15:03 AM] Adam B. Levine: but i am not an expert on this at all
[6/24/2014 10:15:32 AM] Niceplum: massive house of cards
[6/24/2014 10:15:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: just a guy who has been watching and talking with and yelling at the larimer folks to know they might look like a ponzi, but really they're just engineers who have no desire or ability to control optics
[6/24/2014 10:16:05 AM] Adam B. Levine: you're making me want to defend them just because I don't think you actually know what you're talking about, and that's odd because I"m quite annoyed with them.
[6/24/2014 10:16:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: if you have specific complaints please make them, don't just throw mud
[6/24/2014 10:17:31 AM] Niceplum: it cannot remain decentralized indefinitely, but I'll leave it to someone more technically knowledgable to argument that
[6/24/2014 10:18:04 AM] Niceplum: brb
[6/24/2014 10:18:32 AM] Adam B. Levine: happy to chat with you seperately, I really don't get how you can say definitive things like "cannot" when that's true of ANY of these protocols, they can all be modified should the need be there so again it's like saying it's not cryptocurrency.  Why this over all others?
[6/24/2014 10:18:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: ;)
[6/24/2014 10:18:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: Incidentally your interview is running on Saturday
[6/24/2014 10:24:03 AM] Michael Sullivan: Are delegates secure?
[6/24/2014 10:25:45 AM] Michael Sullivan: Bitshares may finally be on right track, hard to know. But yeah it's been frustrating trying to keep up with the dev and tech branding over the past year.
[6/24/2014 10:31:16 AM | Edited 10:31:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: I've got a technical friend looking at the delegate requirements right now, I might wind up being the face of a few while he runs the technical stuff on the backend.    It's an interesting approach, complete transparency does in fact make it quite hard to cheat
[6/24/2014 10:31:27 AM] Adam B. Levine: (for more than one instance)
[6/24/2014 10:36:20 AM] Niceplum: isn't the whole result of proof of stake that the rich get richer?
[6/24/2014 10:38:08 AM] Janislav: it is not different than with bitcoin. rich people buy a lot of miners and get richer
[6/24/2014 10:39:23 AM] Adam B. Levine: right, the problem isn't how you get your resources but rather that some people have more resources than others
[6/24/2014 10:39:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: This is another thing invictus tried to address, Protoshares was supposed to be CPU minable only and worked best on CPUs
[6/24/2014 10:39:57 AM] Adam B. Levine: problem is, someone with money can just rent a bunch of servers from amazon by the hour and min/max, just like with any other way
[6/24/2014 10:40:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: So the problem is that "stake" is capital-scalable, rather than human-scalable
[6/24/2014 10:40:46 AM] Adam B. Levine: really what we want is as broad an even a distribution on a human level as possible, but there's no proof-of-unique-human yet that's easy and cheap and pervasive, so here we are
[6/24/2014 10:43:23 AM] Niceplum: well, it will require some form of reputation system which assumes a consensus
[6/24/2014 10:43:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: yep, so it won't happen
[6/24/2014 10:43:50 AM] Niceplum: exactly
[6/24/2014 10:43:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: thus, everybody does everything - Many of us watch them all, and whatever works we'll cannabilize

I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.


1. Good - if you really have said what this text says you have said.

2. For those people I cannot say much
 – ‘It is ponzi, cause I say it is ponzi.’
 -  ‘It is not currency’ - which is problem how?.... and the rest of the nonsense objections that you yourself have answered pretty well.

I3 needs better PR – ooh ye I agree with this wholeheartedly!

3.All of the above being said explain the benefits of posting great conclusions about how I3 is the big bad wolf from an argument between somebody how is not part of I3 for more than 6 mo. and somebody who has never been part of it?
« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 02:22:34 pm by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.
Still you are educating others about our goals and techniques .. and you are doing great explaining it!

Unfortunately those guys seem to have no interest in constructive feedback .. otherwise they would join the discussion over here and not on a private skype chat.

Maybe one more thing: they issue with stake in several other systems (best example is NXT) is that the stakes are not fairly distributed .. sure bitshares stakes are also not fairly distributed (i guess) but your surely agree that we have a much wider distribution of stake than any other proof-of-stake crypto such as peercoin/blackcoin/darkcoin and others.
That's maybe one of the big advantages we have over here.

BTW. we have initiated contact with freenode admins to recover the already registered #bitshares channel ..

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-Appearing on the 3rd day and saying – 'Sorry for the delay, I was drunk from the IPO party 3 days ago';
.....this is really a point you want to hang your hat on?   Things are confusing in early days, I would assume you'd be sympathetic.

I am really sympathetic – I have my share of drinking problems… I can only imagine how drunk will I get when I have scammed people for 10 Mil and have to do no work for it… really drunk like 3 day total obliviation…
You realize that unless you're closely paying attention, most people in the crypto space think Bitshares is an out and out scam, right?  It's just blowing my mind you can be so blind to the irony.

Let me show you what Invictus looks like from the outside, this was in the swarm skype chat.   


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[6/24/2014 10:06:03 AM] Niceplum: Adam B. Levine, I spent 20+ hrs researching bitshares, its a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's really not
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: lol
[6/24/2014 10:06:12 AM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : it's a bad joke wishing that it was a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:13 AM] Niceplum: time will tell
[6/24/2014 10:06:17 AM] Adam B. Levine: I would agree with Joel
[6/24/2014 10:06:30 AM] Niceplum: how does it expect to give people back more money
[6/24/2014 10:06:32 AM] Niceplum: if they buy BitUSD
[6/24/2014 10:06:35 AM] Niceplum: and then convert back
[6/24/2014 10:06:47 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's not the majority of the bitshares project
[6/24/2014 10:06:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: the interesting part is the underlying technology they've reinvented
[6/24/2014 10:07:02 AM] Niceplum: no, but that is a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: no, that is a confidence game
[6/24/2014 10:07:12 AM | Edited 10:07:14 AM] Adam B. Levine: a ponzi implies there is a guy named ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:14 AM] Niceplum: which technology?
[6/24/2014 10:07:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: delegated proof of stake
[6/24/2014 10:07:23 AM] Niceplum: where
[6/24/2014 10:07:26 AM] Adam B. Levine: they're on alpha chain 5
[6/24/2014 10:07:32 AM] Niceplum: source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: bitsharestalk.com
[6/24/2014 10:07:41 AM] Adam B. Levine: good luck
[6/24/2014 10:07:44 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:07:48 AM] Niceplum: actual source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:51 AM] Niceplum: is it on there
[6/24/2014 10:07:55 AM] Adam B. Levine: yeah hang on
[6/24/2014 10:08:40 AM] Adam B. Levine: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5250.0
[6/24/2014 10:09:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: both NXT and Bitshares are really attacking confirmation times, which things like msc and xcp demonstrate are quite long in the bitcoin paradigm where blocks occasionally take an hour
[6/24/2014 10:09:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: it didnt used to matter
[6/24/2014 10:10:16 AM] Adam B. Levine: but now when actions are only as granular as how long it takes for it to be included in a block, suddenly it's a lifetime
[6/24/2014 10:10:43 AM] Niceplum: BitShares isn't a cryptocurrency though, how is it possible to compare them
[6/24/2014 10:10:50 AM] Adam B. Levine: how can you say that?
[6/24/2014 10:11:16 AM] Niceplum: because the whitepaper defines it as a decentralized for-profit bank?
[6/24/2014 10:11:33 AM | Edited 10:11:39 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's like saying bitcoin isn't a cryptocurrency because its whitepaper defines it as decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:11:50 AM] orperelman: lol
[6/24/2014 10:11:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: cryptocurrency is a broad categorical classificaiton having to do with how the network actually works, not what it calls itself
[6/24/2014 10:12:08 AM] Niceplum: well then its not decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:12:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's a token that can be transmitted irrevocably to any network connected terminal
[6/24/2014 10:12:37 AM] Adam B. Levine: call it what you, that's a token and tokens are cryptocurrencies
[6/24/2014 10:12:48 AM] Niceplum: irrevocably? but isn't that against the idea of TaPOS
[6/24/2014 10:12:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: unless you're talking about the kind you hold in your hand
[6/24/2014 10:12:56 AM] Niceplum: where people vote whats valid and not
[6/24/2014 10:12:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was thrown out
[6/24/2014 10:13:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:13:12 AM] Adam B. Levine: this is DPOS
[6/24/2014 10:13:18 AM] Niceplum: DPOS?
[6/24/2014 10:13:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was (Transactions as Proof of Stake)
[6/24/2014 10:13:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: DPOS is Delegated Proof of Stake
[6/24/2014 10:13:36 AM] Niceplum: which means?
[6/24/2014 10:13:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: Feel free to read up on it
[6/24/2014 10:13:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: github link is in the thread linked earlier
[6/24/2014 10:13:55 AM] Niceplum: its not transparent forging is it
[6/24/2014 10:14:00 AM] Adam B. Levine: it seems similar
[6/24/2014 10:14:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: but its not based on your stake, its based on the stake people throw behind you based on transparent performance
[6/24/2014 10:14:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: votes are cast automatically I believe for the best performing delegates judged by transaction inclusion rate, long term consistency, etc
[6/24/2014 10:15:03 AM] Adam B. Levine: but i am not an expert on this at all
[6/24/2014 10:15:32 AM] Niceplum: massive house of cards
[6/24/2014 10:15:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: just a guy who has been watching and talking with and yelling at the larimer folks to know they might look like a ponzi, but really they're just engineers who have no desire or ability to control optics
[6/24/2014 10:16:05 AM] Adam B. Levine: you're making me want to defend them just because I don't think you actually know what you're talking about, and that's odd because I"m quite annoyed with them.
[6/24/2014 10:16:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: if you have specific complaints please make them, don't just throw mud
[6/24/2014 10:17:31 AM] Niceplum: it cannot remain decentralized indefinitely, but I'll leave it to someone more technically knowledgable to argument that
[6/24/2014 10:18:04 AM] Niceplum: brb
[6/24/2014 10:18:32 AM] Adam B. Levine: happy to chat with you seperately, I really don't get how you can say definitive things like "cannot" when that's true of ANY of these protocols, they can all be modified should the need be there so again it's like saying it's not cryptocurrency.  Why this over all others?
[6/24/2014 10:18:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: ;)
[6/24/2014 10:18:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: Incidentally your interview is running on Saturday
[6/24/2014 10:24:03 AM] Michael Sullivan: Are delegates secure?
[6/24/2014 10:25:45 AM] Michael Sullivan: Bitshares may finally be on right track, hard to know. But yeah it's been frustrating trying to keep up with the dev and tech branding over the past year.
[6/24/2014 10:31:16 AM | Edited 10:31:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: I've got a technical friend looking at the delegate requirements right now, I might wind up being the face of a few while he runs the technical stuff on the backend.    It's an interesting approach, complete transparency does in fact make it quite hard to cheat
[6/24/2014 10:31:27 AM] Adam B. Levine: (for more than one instance)
[6/24/2014 10:36:20 AM] Niceplum: isn't the whole result of proof of stake that the rich get richer?
[6/24/2014 10:38:08 AM] Janislav: it is not different than with bitcoin. rich people buy a lot of miners and get richer
[6/24/2014 10:39:23 AM] Adam B. Levine: right, the problem isn't how you get your resources but rather that some people have more resources than others
[6/24/2014 10:39:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: This is another thing invictus tried to address, Protoshares was supposed to be CPU minable only and worked best on CPUs
[6/24/2014 10:39:57 AM] Adam B. Levine: problem is, someone with money can just rent a bunch of servers from amazon by the hour and min/max, just like with any other way
[6/24/2014 10:40:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: So the problem is that "stake" is capital-scalable, rather than human-scalable
[6/24/2014 10:40:46 AM] Adam B. Levine: really what we want is as broad an even a distribution on a human level as possible, but there's no proof-of-unique-human yet that's easy and cheap and pervasive, so here we are
[6/24/2014 10:43:23 AM] Niceplum: well, it will require some form of reputation system which assumes a consensus
[6/24/2014 10:43:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: yep, so it won't happen
[6/24/2014 10:43:50 AM] Niceplum: exactly
[6/24/2014 10:43:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: thus, everybody does everything - Many of us watch them all, and whatever works we'll cannabilize

I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.
Email me at adam@letstalkbitcoin.com

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ABL wisely ignores me so I don't think I will get an answer from him.  Although he has to have read my posts and is halfway to the moon wanting to respond to me.  ;)  Anyway, I like Adam and nothing personal at the end of the day.

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If you buy the Swarm token, whenever a project launches on the swarm platform 1% of the tokens (or it might be 1.5%, not looking at numbers) are distributed to all holders of swarm tokens... just like protoshares, except they actually have the tech ready and are doing it.

So this Swarm having the tech ready and are doing it...  Does anyone know more about this?  I read their frontpage and it looked like another IPO trying to do the same thing already.  I'm not sure what it means to have something working.  Forked code?  Is it from scratch?  At what level are they functioning at ?  Does anyone know ? Where can I see the code in action?

I want to be shown I was wrong... or I guess I could go to their webpage.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653568.msg7466137#msg7466137
The guy on BTT (i guess he represents swarm) said they are 3 month away from a working product. See his answers to my questions.

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I guess I could go to their webpage.

Absolutely, it will tell you all you need to know  :D
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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ABL wisely ignores me so I don't think I will get an answer from him.  Although he has to have read my posts and is halfway to the moon wanting to respond to me.  ;)  Anyway, I like Adam and nothing personal at the end of the day.

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If you buy the Swarm token, whenever a project launches on the swarm platform 1% of the tokens (or it might be 1.5%, not looking at numbers) are distributed to all holders of swarm tokens... just like protoshares, except they actually have the tech ready and are doing it.

So this Swarm having the tech ready and are doing it...  Does anyone know more about this?  I read their frontpage and it looked like another IPO trying to do the same thing already.  I'm not sure what it means to have something working.  Forked code?  Is it from scratch?  At what level are they functioning at ?  Does anyone know ? Where can I see the code in action?

I want to be shown I was wrong... or I guess I could go to their webpage.
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I've got dinner and a movie, cheers!

... West cost then, like your swarm friends...

do not forget to wave them when they launch... the escape boat that is!
« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 02:56:32 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Sorry, I have enjoyed this but you had a good call - I've got dinner and a movie, cheers!
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-Appearing on the 3rd day and saying – 'Sorry for the delay, I was drunk from the IPO party 3 days ago';
.....this is really a point you want to hang your hat on?   Things are confusing in early days, I would assume you'd be sympathetic.

I am really sympathetic – I have my share of drinking problems… I can only imagine how drunk will I get when I have scammed people for 10 Mil and have to do no work for it… really drunk like 3 day total obliviation…
« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 02:53:37 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.