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老外对bitshares比较温和中肯的评价,有兴趣用谷歌翻译看。

其实不仅仅是中文社区发现BM的饼,英文社区的虚拟币资深从业人员也对他的饼有意见,老外认为3i作对了唯一一件事就是把投资者给不负责任的锁住了,让投资者没有任何选择,只能和3i共命运

所以XTS出来后的价格还是主要靠中文社区来支撑。中文社区没有信心了,这个项目就基本玩完了

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-Appearing on the 3rd day and saying – 'Sorry for the delay, I was drunk from the IPO party 3 days ago';
.....this is really a point you want to hang your hat on?   Things are confusing in early days, I would assume you'd be sympathetic.

I am really sympathetic – I have my share of drinking problems… I can only imagine how drunk will I get when I have scammed people for 10 Mil and have to do no work for it… really drunk like 3 day total obliviation…
You realize that unless you're closely paying attention, most people in the crypto space think Bitshares is an out and out scam, right?  It's just blowing my mind you can be so blind to the irony.

Let me show you what Invictus looks like from the outside, this was in the swarm skype chat.   


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[6/24/2014 10:06:03 AM] Niceplum: Adam B. Levine, I spent 20+ hrs researching bitshares, its a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's really not
[6/24/2014 10:06:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: lol
[6/24/2014 10:06:12 AM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : it's a bad joke wishing that it was a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:06:13 AM] Niceplum: time will tell
[6/24/2014 10:06:17 AM] Adam B. Levine: I would agree with Joel
[6/24/2014 10:06:30 AM] Niceplum: how does it expect to give people back more money
[6/24/2014 10:06:32 AM] Niceplum: if they buy BitUSD
[6/24/2014 10:06:35 AM] Niceplum: and then convert back
[6/24/2014 10:06:47 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's not the majority of the bitshares project
[6/24/2014 10:06:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: the interesting part is the underlying technology they've reinvented
[6/24/2014 10:07:02 AM] Niceplum: no, but that is a ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: no, that is a confidence game
[6/24/2014 10:07:12 AM | Edited 10:07:14 AM] Adam B. Levine: a ponzi implies there is a guy named ponzi
[6/24/2014 10:07:14 AM] Niceplum: which technology?
[6/24/2014 10:07:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: delegated proof of stake
[6/24/2014 10:07:23 AM] Niceplum: where
[6/24/2014 10:07:26 AM] Adam B. Levine: they're on alpha chain 5
[6/24/2014 10:07:32 AM] Niceplum: source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: bitsharestalk.com
[6/24/2014 10:07:41 AM] Adam B. Levine: good luck
[6/24/2014 10:07:44 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:07:48 AM] Niceplum: actual source?
[6/24/2014 10:07:51 AM] Niceplum: is it on there
[6/24/2014 10:07:55 AM] Adam B. Levine: yeah hang on
[6/24/2014 10:08:40 AM] Adam B. Levine: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5250.0
[6/24/2014 10:09:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: both NXT and Bitshares are really attacking confirmation times, which things like msc and xcp demonstrate are quite long in the bitcoin paradigm where blocks occasionally take an hour
[6/24/2014 10:09:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: it didnt used to matter
[6/24/2014 10:10:16 AM] Adam B. Levine: but now when actions are only as granular as how long it takes for it to be included in a block, suddenly it's a lifetime
[6/24/2014 10:10:43 AM] Niceplum: BitShares isn't a cryptocurrency though, how is it possible to compare them
[6/24/2014 10:10:50 AM] Adam B. Levine: how can you say that?
[6/24/2014 10:11:16 AM] Niceplum: because the whitepaper defines it as a decentralized for-profit bank?
[6/24/2014 10:11:33 AM | Edited 10:11:39 AM] Adam B. Levine: that's like saying bitcoin isn't a cryptocurrency because its whitepaper defines it as decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:11:50 AM] orperelman: lol
[6/24/2014 10:11:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: cryptocurrency is a broad categorical classificaiton having to do with how the network actually works, not what it calls itself
[6/24/2014 10:12:08 AM] Niceplum: well then its not decentralized cash
[6/24/2014 10:12:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: it's a token that can be transmitted irrevocably to any network connected terminal
[6/24/2014 10:12:37 AM] Adam B. Levine: call it what you, that's a token and tokens are cryptocurrencies
[6/24/2014 10:12:48 AM] Niceplum: irrevocably? but isn't that against the idea of TaPOS
[6/24/2014 10:12:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: unless you're talking about the kind you hold in your hand
[6/24/2014 10:12:56 AM] Niceplum: where people vote whats valid and not
[6/24/2014 10:12:58 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was thrown out
[6/24/2014 10:13:07 AM] Adam B. Levine: :)
[6/24/2014 10:13:12 AM] Adam B. Levine: this is DPOS
[6/24/2014 10:13:18 AM] Niceplum: DPOS?
[6/24/2014 10:13:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: TaPOS was (Transactions as Proof of Stake)
[6/24/2014 10:13:28 AM] Adam B. Levine: DPOS is Delegated Proof of Stake
[6/24/2014 10:13:36 AM] Niceplum: which means?
[6/24/2014 10:13:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: Feel free to read up on it
[6/24/2014 10:13:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: github link is in the thread linked earlier
[6/24/2014 10:13:55 AM] Niceplum: its not transparent forging is it
[6/24/2014 10:14:00 AM] Adam B. Levine: it seems similar
[6/24/2014 10:14:20 AM] Adam B. Levine: but its not based on your stake, its based on the stake people throw behind you based on transparent performance
[6/24/2014 10:14:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: votes are cast automatically I believe for the best performing delegates judged by transaction inclusion rate, long term consistency, etc
[6/24/2014 10:15:03 AM] Adam B. Levine: but i am not an expert on this at all
[6/24/2014 10:15:32 AM] Niceplum: massive house of cards
[6/24/2014 10:15:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: just a guy who has been watching and talking with and yelling at the larimer folks to know they might look like a ponzi, but really they're just engineers who have no desire or ability to control optics
[6/24/2014 10:16:05 AM] Adam B. Levine: you're making me want to defend them just because I don't think you actually know what you're talking about, and that's odd because I"m quite annoyed with them.
[6/24/2014 10:16:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: if you have specific complaints please make them, don't just throw mud
[6/24/2014 10:17:31 AM] Niceplum: it cannot remain decentralized indefinitely, but I'll leave it to someone more technically knowledgable to argument that
[6/24/2014 10:18:04 AM] Niceplum: brb
[6/24/2014 10:18:32 AM] Adam B. Levine: happy to chat with you seperately, I really don't get how you can say definitive things like "cannot" when that's true of ANY of these protocols, they can all be modified should the need be there so again it's like saying it's not cryptocurrency.  Why this over all others?
[6/24/2014 10:18:45 AM] Adam B. Levine: ;)
[6/24/2014 10:18:52 AM] Adam B. Levine: Incidentally your interview is running on Saturday
[6/24/2014 10:24:03 AM] Michael Sullivan: Are delegates secure?
[6/24/2014 10:25:45 AM] Michael Sullivan: Bitshares may finally be on right track, hard to know. But yeah it's been frustrating trying to keep up with the dev and tech branding over the past year.
[6/24/2014 10:31:16 AM | Edited 10:31:21 AM] Adam B. Levine: I've got a technical friend looking at the delegate requirements right now, I might wind up being the face of a few while he runs the technical stuff on the backend.    It's an interesting approach, complete transparency does in fact make it quite hard to cheat
[6/24/2014 10:31:27 AM] Adam B. Levine: (for more than one instance)
[6/24/2014 10:36:20 AM] Niceplum: isn't the whole result of proof of stake that the rich get richer?
[6/24/2014 10:38:08 AM] Janislav: it is not different than with bitcoin. rich people buy a lot of miners and get richer
[6/24/2014 10:39:23 AM] Adam B. Levine: right, the problem isn't how you get your resources but rather that some people have more resources than others
[6/24/2014 10:39:43 AM] Adam B. Levine: This is another thing invictus tried to address, Protoshares was supposed to be CPU minable only and worked best on CPUs
[6/24/2014 10:39:57 AM] Adam B. Levine: problem is, someone with money can just rent a bunch of servers from amazon by the hour and min/max, just like with any other way
[6/24/2014 10:40:08 AM] Adam B. Levine: So the problem is that "stake" is capital-scalable, rather than human-scalable
[6/24/2014 10:40:46 AM] Adam B. Levine: really what we want is as broad an even a distribution on a human level as possible, but there's no proof-of-unique-human yet that's easy and cheap and pervasive, so here we are
[6/24/2014 10:43:23 AM] Niceplum: well, it will require some form of reputation system which assumes a consensus
[6/24/2014 10:43:38 AM] Adam B. Levine: yep, so it won't happen
[6/24/2014 10:43:50 AM] Niceplum: exactly
[6/24/2014 10:43:59 AM] Adam B. Levine: thus, everybody does everything - Many of us watch them all, and whatever works we'll cannabilize

I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.


1. Good - if you really have said what this text says you have said.

2. For those people I cannot say much
 – ‘It is ponzi, cause I say it is ponzi.’
 -  ‘It is not currency’ - which is problem how?.... and the rest of the nonsense objections that you yourself have answered pretty well.

I3 needs better PR – ooh ye I agree with this wholeheartedly!

3.All of the above being said explain the benefits of posting great conclusions about how I3 is the big bad wolf from an argument between somebody how is not part of I3 for more than 6 mo. and somebody who has never been part of it?

I'm clearly your enemy, and invictus is doing a fantastic job.
Still you are educating others about our goals and techniques .. and you are doing great explaining it!

Unfortunately those guys seem to have no interest in constructive feedback .. otherwise they would join the discussion over here and not on a private skype chat.

Maybe one more thing: they issue with stake in several other systems (best example is NXT) is that the stakes are not fairly distributed .. sure bitshares stakes are also not fairly distributed (i guess) but your surely agree that we have a much wider distribution of stake than any other proof-of-stake crypto such as peercoin/blackcoin/darkcoin and others.
That's maybe one of the big advantages we have over here.

BTW. we have initiated contact with freenode admins to recover the already registered #bitshares channel ..

Why would groups like swarm come to bitshares when others have a working product, right now, that don't demand 20% of their money supply before the community will  "support" them.     Why would they want to visit these confusing, hostile forums when they could save themselves the trouble and bang their head against a more conveniently located brick wall

Bitshares is one of the smallest 2.0 communities, do you notice how when 30 people join to complain about their investment taking an extra 200% of the timeline that was sold to them it's a big deal?  That's because there are less than two hundred active members on the forum, and the ones that are left are the TRUE BELIEVERS.    Invictus did one thing "right", they locked people in so as they make bad choices there is no way for their investors to escape them. 

I'm an industry evangelist.  I want all the 2.0 protocols to succeed.  Why are you arguing with me?  Because you backed what turned out to be a very risky horse.  I'm sorry about that, we all believed in Daniels vision in the beginning.

I still do believe

It's obvious you believe, the question is can you articulate your belief or do you just believe whatever words come out of his mouth?   I can't even tell what the vision is any more, it was clear to me in the beginning.  Help me understand.
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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.
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楼上写了这么多,科普读物,大家都受益匪浅。BM的技术济世的想法是大家敬仰的,也是当初投资的初衷。但如果不经常敲打3i,他们就会因为公司的利益和天使投资者对立起来。把老外社区的情况介绍过来也是希望大家有个全盘的了解。

关于PPC目前的定位开发股票dac这有可能就是PPC的将来,peer股目前在测试阶段,反应相当不错。
合约币,目前是唯一一个可以把虚拟财产和比特币做交易的去中心化平台。你不要太贬低这2个产品。
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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.
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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.

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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.
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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.
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楼上写了这么多,科普读物,大家都受益匪浅。BM的技术济世的想法是大家敬仰的,也是当初投资的初衷。但如果不经常敲打3i,他们就会因为公司的利益和天使投资者对立起来。把老外社区的情况介绍过来也是希望大家有个全盘的了解。

关于PPC目前的定位开发股票dac这有可能就是PPC的将来,peer股目前在测试阶段,反应相当不错。
合约币,目前是唯一一个可以把虚拟财产和比特币做交易的去中心化平台。你不要太贬低这2个产品。
说起来,我的另一驾马车pps的进度也有些滞后了,虽然没有3i跳票这么严重……

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楼上写了这么多,科普读物,大家都受益匪浅。BM的技术济世的想法是大家敬仰的,也是当初投资的初衷。但如果不经常敲打3i,他们就会因为公司的利益和天使投资者对立起来。把老外社区的情况介绍过来也是希望大家有个全盘的了解。

关于PPC目前的定位开发股票dac这有可能就是PPC的将来,peer股目前在测试阶段,反应相当不错。
合约币,目前是唯一一个可以把虚拟财产和比特币做交易的去中心化平台。你不要太贬低这2个产品。
说起来,我的另一驾马车pps的进度也有些滞后了,虽然没有3i跳票这么严重……

Me too. 关于比特币2.0技术, 我重点下注bts和pps。

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话说我干这一行也快十年了。跳票太是家常便饭了,最“伟大”的例子好比微软的widows xp的下一个版本。所以3I公司这点“小”拖延,还真不算啥。我觉得再拖2年的时间不能算长,只要这期间没有其它竞争对手能够胜出的话。 >:-)

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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.


看了这篇帖子 突然意识到 目前的网络架构体系的确不适合P2P型网络货币的分布式存储传导验证 硬件基础是有待演进滴 那么 为今之计自然是硬件不足软件补 BM干的就是这BUG 也许30秒的确认时间是目前网络架构的极限了
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对于那些其实一直没有关注3I.关注BM,关注进度,甚至没有进论坛的人的各种言论和想法都表示理解.
但对一些追随3I进度,参与测试,了解整个历程,至今仍然想不明白,还在纠结于BM究竟是不是骗子,整不明白他究竟想干什么?的人表示费解.
值得各位好好想想,BM究竟想干啥?带3I走到哪里去?包括这次为啥他有这个"引起争议的想法."为什么?
当然我也觉得他先应该出一个版本,即时不够惊艳的产品,可以去平息一些争论,让一些人有一个选择.

MSC,合约币早就出来了,为数字货币世界带来了什么,改变了什么?好听点叫"失败了的试验.",不好听点叫"制造了多余的垃圾." ----当然早期的投机者不等于失败.

PPC, 我很喜欢它的创新,但仅仅作为一个币. 但作为一个DAC的架构,够了吗?10分钟的确认一个块,能支撑你去从事数字资产金融交易吗?
随便一个钱包就可以挖矿,但随便开个电脑分散的PC,你的带宽,你的计算能力,就能支撑起快速安全的服务了吗?
真正的瓶颈就在那里.

nxt,我还没有真正用过,但NAS,nxt的山寨品,貌似主要靠几个服务节点锻造,博彩的时候,时常还卡顿3-5分钟. 安全性未知.

想想各位代表的带宽和效率都达到中型网站服务器的时候,提供的服务和当下会有什么区别?
再想想,如果能让各位代表之间的连接和协同性就像放在一个房间内一样,服务又有什么区别?

在这个世界的网络带宽没有变成江湖河海一样无限宽广,你的PC没有变的比腾讯,阿里集群服务器更有效率以前. 分散在世界各地PC要实现安全稳定的服务,块链的记账公平, 还有可应用的效率.这并不容易.  BM折腾来折腾去,他难道不就在折腾这个事吗?

而DAC你就可以简单的看成分布式网络服务应用软件,效率,安全,公平是其有必要存在和生存的前提. 

有时候当我们轻易把骗子几个字说出来的时候,请了解过程的人三思,不了解的人无所谓.


看了这篇帖子 突然意识到 目前的网络架构体系的确不适合P2P型网络货币的分布式存储传导验证 硬件基础是有待演进滴 那么 为今之计自然是硬件不足软件补 BM干的就是这BUG 也许30秒的确认时间是目前网络架构的极限了

恩,只是把大家其实都明白的东西,讲清楚一些. 基于BTC的块链MSC,合约币其实早就注定了死路一条.应用对于效率的要求较高,而金融对效率和安全就更高.

BM 现在很显然他对效率是很不满意的. 那个引起渲染大波的帖子,出发点是想更多的人竞争代表,提供更快的更稳定的计算力和更宽的带宽资源.  多方面提升效率.
DAC要真正走向应用,必须架构有效率的分布式服务群(目前是100代表们的机器).
Paxos, VPN.以后他还会折腾的.直到安全和效率都想达到应用级别.


 

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