Author Topic: Dry Run 10: Viva la Vida Delegada  (Read 13390 times)

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Vote for my delegates =D
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I have an idea to avoid the attack with almost no limit to the market. I will post this evening.

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2014-07-17T06:44:50 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-Fu6kwjtG      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 10 USD                   cc2f930
2014-07-17T06:46:08 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-78uDffJU      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 10 USD                   efdad3d
2014-07-17T06:46:28 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-D8JRt1dd      1,000.00000 XTS         0.10000 XTS         sell 1000 XTS @ 100 USD                 b40a4a0
2014-07-17T06:50:47 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-Cdu36eNu      700.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 700 XTS @ 0.0163086 USD            aae010f
2014-07-17T06:53:14 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-CTuUY6bL      700.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 700 XTS @ 5 USD                    29b9b69
2014-07-17T06:53:59 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-AP7vDi9q      1,000.00000 XTS         0.10000 XTS         sell 1000 XTS @ 90 USD                  8d04a6d
2014-07-17T06:54:21 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-LVpgB5qP      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 8 USD                    5accbd3
2014-07-17T06:54:40 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-CCbBjaaM      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 7 USD                    a87177f
2014-07-17T07:01:17 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-7YPmdTtN      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 7 CNY                    5853bf8
2014-07-17T07:01:24 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-BLTrMkjd      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XTS @ 8 CNY                    a24db75
2014-07-17T07:01:30 DUPLICATE calyaux             ORDER-EPrCyxoT      100.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS         sell 100 XT
whats the meaning of "duplicate" ?

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So as far as I can tell there are no transactions being made in this chain at all. They are accepted and not pending but all blocks look empty from here.


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So as far as I can tell there are no transactions being made in this chain at all. They are accepted and not pending but all blocks look empty from here.


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Please send funds to outernat for market testing

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This is strange.. Something is wrong with latest dry run. I can not approve any delegates and looking up transactions returns null.

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>>> wallet_account_transaction_history
RECEIVED            BLOCK     FROM                TO                  AMOUNT                  FEE                 MEMO                                    BALANCE                 ID     
=========================================================================================================================================================================================
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2014-07-17T01:20:11 912       bitcoiners          bitcoiners          500.00000 XTS           0.10000 XTS                                                 37,472.30684 XTS     8143a93


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default (unlocked) >>> blockchain_get_transaction 8143a93
null
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still can attack with these rules, if I have about 1% XTS.

1. use about 10^7 XTS  or more, control the price to 500USD/XTS, get about 5*10^9 USD
2. usd about 10^7 XTS or more + maybe 10^5 USD, control the price to 0.0005USD/XTS,get all the backup XTS.

It is just a matter of scale.  Attacking the network in such a manner would destroy the network and make your 1% worthless.  We can set that value as high as 5% or more.  The assumption is anyone with that much steak we not want to harm the network.  No one else would participate in the network and instead could go to a new bit asset.  You and then be trading against yourself and not profit at all. 


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BTC or other huge coins like LTC\NXT whales refuse to withdraw from the historical stage, they use the money in their deep pocket to buy 1% XTS, then attack it to death,just to protect their stake in their coins.

By giving up the worth of 1% XTS,the whales could benefit more from their coins by killing a strong rival.
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Why do shorts not require 200% collateral?

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still can attack with these rules, if I have about 1% XTS.

1. use about 10^7 XTS  or more, control the price to 500USD/XTS, get about 5*10^9 USD
2. usd about 10^7 XTS or more + maybe 10^5 USD, control the price to 0.0005USD/XTS,get all the backup XTS.

It is just a matter of scale.  Attacking the network in such a manner would destroy the network and make your 1% worthless.  We can set that value as high as 5% or more.  The assumption is anyone with that much steak we not want to harm the network.  No one else would participate in the network and instead could go to a new bit asset.  You and then be trading against yourself and not profit at all. 


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But how to identify attack or normal trade?
If I control a price lower or higher than 10% of current price, does it profit me?
Every one know the price can be control, do they still believe the market consensus?


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what

welp I guess that's all for this round

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a (unlocked) >>> blockchain_market_order_book USD XTS
                  BIDS (* Short Order)                                       |                                   ASKS
TOTAL                     QUANTITY                                     PRICE | PRICE                                        QUANTITY                     TOTAL   COLLATERAL
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
100,000,000.0000 USD      200,000.00000 XTS                   500. USD / XTS*| 1.23 USD / XTS                        5,768.48683 XTS            7,095.2388 USD
10,000.0000 USD           10,000.00000 XTS                      1. USD / XTS*| 5. USD / XTS                          5,635.83215 XTS           28,179.1607 USD
10,000.0000 USD           20,000.00000 XTS                     0.5 USD / XTS*| 7. USD / XTS                             42.00000 XTS              294.0000 USD
3,900.0000 USD            260,000.00000 XTS                  0.015 USD / XTS*| 8. USD / XTS                             23.47369 XTS              187.7895 USD
                                                                             | 8. USD / XTS                             30.00000 XTS              240.0000 USD
                                                                             | 9. USD / XTS                             10.00000 XTS               90.0000 USD
                                                                             | 9.5 USD / XTS                         1,000.00000 XTS            9,500.0000 USD
                                                                             | 10.1 USD / XTS                           20.00000 XTS              202.0000 USD
                                                                             | 10.2 USD / XTS                            2.00000 XTS               20.4000 USD
                                                                             | 11. USD / XTS                            30.00000 XTS              330.0000 USD
                                                                             | 15. USD / XTS                       100,000.00000 XTS        1,500,000.0000 USD
                                                                             | 500. USD / XTS                      200,000.00000 XTS      100,000,000.0000 USD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                             |                                   MARGIN
                                                                             | CALL PRICE                                   QUANTITY                     TOTAL   COLLATERAL
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                             | 5.33333333333333333 USD / XTS             2.81250 XTS1,844,674,407,370,895.1618 USD   3.75000 XTS
                                                                             | 5.33332788529704396 USD / XTS             0.61184 XTS1,844,674,407,370,942.1091 USD   0.81579 XTS
                                                                             | 3.55555407407407407 USD / XTS            67.50000 XTS              239.9999 USD   90.00000 XTS
                                                                             | 3.55554962962962962 USD / XTS            16.87500 XTS               59.9999 USD   22.50000 XTS
                                                                             | 3.55554950218602307 USD / XTS             3.67105 XTS               13.0526 USD   4.89474 XTS
                                                                             | 3.55554511348600093 USD / XTS            14.68419 XTS               52.2103 USD   19.57892 XTS
                                                                             | 3.33333333333333333 USD / XTS            64.28571 XTS              214.2857 USD   85.71428 XTS
                                                                             | 3.33333332111111103 USD / XTS         2,727.27271 XTS            9,090.9090 USD   3,636.36362 XTS
                                                                             | 3.33333331557777765 USD / XTS         3,754.69335 XTS           12,515.6444 USD   5,006.25780 XTS
                                                                             | 0.81999998503293482 USD / XTS         6,347.26975 XTS            5,204.7611 USD   8,463.02634 XTS
                                                                             | 0.01 USD / XTS                        1,050.00000 XTS               10.5000 USD   1,400.00000 XTS
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still can attack with these rules, if I have about 1% XTS.

1. use about 10^7 XTS  or more, control the price to 500USD/XTS, get about 5*10^9 USD
2. usd about 10^7 XTS or more + maybe 10^5 USD, control the price to 0.0005USD/XTS,get all the backup XTS.

It is just a matter of scale.  Attacking the network in such a manner would destroy the network and make your 1% worthless.  We can set that value as high as 5% or more.  The assumption is anyone with that much steak we not want to harm the network.  No one else would participate in the network and instead could go to a new bit asset.  You and then be trading against yourself and not profit at all. 


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still can attack with these rules, if I have about 1% XTS.

1. use about 10^7 XTS  or more, control the price to 500USD/XTS, get about 5*10^9 USD
2. usd about 10^7 XTS or more + maybe 10^5 USD, control the price to 0.0005USD/XTS,get all the backup XTS.

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just reduced depth requirement to 200,000 XTS so maybe we have a chance of bitasset trading
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Who could send 20,000,000 XTS  to me? Thanks.

Edit: I forgot to post my account name, sent to this account "hackfisher-test", thanks again.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2014, 11:36:11 pm by HackFisher »
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