Author Topic: DNS的分配问题讨论  (Read 16272 times)

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Offline toast

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Delegates are paid that 70%   *over many years*. The delegates will not keep it! They will give it away or spend it on things. And it's not 101 individuals, since delegates always change.

You can always *force delegates to burn it* to keep your share.

You could have delegates have 1% if you wanted.

AGS + PTS still has about as much as delegates after 1 year, and that is if every single delegate has 100% pay rate. Most delegates will not be able to get away with this.
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101个代表(还没101个人,都是一机多号),握着70%的话语权,AGS/PTS早期贡献者却只有20%。这哪来的社会共识,代表共识吧。

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DNS和VOTE分配都不合理,我觉得最多分配10%-20%给代表,代表的成本很低的,有些都是零成本。他们只要开着机器就行了。凭什么分这么多?而我们AGSER承担很大的风险,投资了大量资金却分得非常少。不公平啊。。

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70% was allocated to 101 delegates?  The delegates control most of DNS. 
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和中心化何异?

I don't understand that...

Delegates have a high pay rate, but it can be burned as dividends and spent on giveaways / redistribution IF that's what you want. You probably want infrastructure development though.
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中心化了。。。

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代表分配那么多,和中心化何异?

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What previous allocation are you referring to? Before it was 40/40/10 AGS/PTS/premine, now it is 33/33 AGS/PTS and 33 sharedrop. You got a tiny bit less for AGS and PTS, so what?

Do you mean you don't like that delegate pay dilutes it so much? Just vote for low-rate delegates who will burn the shares... We need a lot of money to develop the infrastructure.
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受托代表的利益在不断放大,走向比特币的挖矿集中化之路。

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比例各是多少?

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我觉得dns分配,更合理些。
对长远发展有好处

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个人感觉Vote分配很合理(作为第三方DAC,PTS、AGS比例高于社会共识)。DNS令人大失所望,与toast开始承诺的大相径庭。

讨论后有如下补充:

目前一票多投投票制度的弊端举例:若一票101投,50%集中票决定101人无条件当选,剩余零散50%票连一个当选都无法保证【只要其中少一票】。DAC是分布式自治公司,投票方式有股份公司的现成投票方式可以借鉴和套用。一票多投投票方式明显违背股份公司章程,在BTSX中目前还没有导致大的不良后果,那是因为代表权益较小。

这种选举方式在其他不同分配方式的DACS中应用必然会出现的后果:以DNS为例,一个代表第一年平均可以挖到3150万(占总股份的0.315%),这些必然当选的代表自然选择100%自留,30个代表一年下来能拿到总股份的近10%,即所有PTS或AGS总分配数目。全部代表一年下来能拿到总股份的51%,从而控股公司。谁来买单?做不了代表的只能选择离开,最后剩下全是代表,前面的代表做一年不做了,指望后面有人做,后来者谁愿意买单?

大家能相聚比特股大家庭,都是为着比特股的公平、公正和先进理念。为了这个生态系统的长远发展,任何违背公平、公正原则的举动都会对比特股生态系统造成巨大伤害,个人的利害得失必须服从这个大局。加密数字货币领域,公平、公正原则更是至高无上,神圣不可侵犯。回顾历史,国、共两党的天下之争与最终结局,值得我们借鉴与深思。

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« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 04:37:06 am by 天籁 »