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Offline BunkerChain Labs

Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« on: August 18, 2014, 04:50:38 AM »

Hello,

I have already invested in BTS-PST and BTSX and am excited about this technology and how it can change the world.  +5%

I am in the process of bringing a second life to a 64,000 sq/ft underground nuclear bunker that was designed to keep 350 government officials safe and sound in the event of a chemical, biological, or nuclear fallout.

This facility used to provide secure communication storage for NATO for nearly two decades on the data side.

The portion of the facility that did this has all the features of a data center, which is what we are in the process of getting production ready. New backup power and fiber lines have been installed and the facility already features water cooling from a giant aquifer that it has operated from for fifty years.

Because the building has so many different elements, we are taking a multi-faceted approach to filling the space. What used to be CBC Radio studio, we now have operating as a media recording studio. We are converting a portion of what was bedrooms into offices to employ many techs and service people to for the data center operation.

The rest of the space we need to fix up and update to facilitate secure meeting space. Once you enter the bunker all communications to the outside world are cut off. No satellite or thermal will register. No worries about spies or any listening devices inside or out. With a private airport right beside our location complete with customs clearance, it's the ideal location for private meetings where data security is a must.

Now here is where the fork in the road comes.

We are about to start going about getting traditional financing for the improvements to the facility, and additional resources for our network infrastructure phase one that will include the introduction of a new cloud storage service. Being located in Canada, and in an underground secured bunker, we have an edge in security and privacy. Our geographic location in Canada also places us directly between New York, NY, and London England. Making it a great prospect for DR.

I have only recently learned about bitshares... and am so intrigued by it, I would like to consider potentially create a DAC (or DACs) of some kind that would be associated with the bunkers operations and utilize bitshares as the single only funding source that propels it forward. This would make for an amazing business case, and put us in the forward thinking zone that I always strive for.

Maybe once we are finished even host the next bitshare conference. I am putting this all out there in the hopes of garnering some ideas perhaps from some more experienced. I believe an entire data center getting behind bitshare in such a way could really send waves out into the world to show its arrived. The 'bunker bump' always gives a boost.. not quite as powerful as the 'cobert bump', but still pretty good.

Maybe this isn't ideal? Maybe bitshares is too early for this?

What do you think? Would a DAC of some kind getting behind a bunker data center in Canada be something you want to get behind?

So there is my first post. Certainly won't be the last.. but rather than dipping my toe like I normally do in forums, I jumped in with all this info to see if my impressions of what is going on here are right.

Looking forward to connecting with you all.

Have a great day!

Jonathan
President | Data Security Node Inc.

PS: If you are looking for more on the bunker, you can check out falloutcomplex.com. Our facebook page is very active with recent info of things that happen at the bunker.
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 05:01:21 AM »
Welcome aboard! It has been a great dream of ours to target preppers and as a bunker owner (nuclear nevertheless) you are a great candidate!

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First question. My geography might need some refreshment as apparently some serious tectonic movements  have taken place, in the last 15 years!

Being located in Canada, and in an underground secured bunker, we have an edge in security and privacy. Our geographic location in Canada also places us directly between New York, NY, and London England. Making it a great prospect for DR.

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« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 05:26:03 AM by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 05:29:17 AM »
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Welcome aboard! It has been a great dream of ours to target preppers and as a bunker owner (nuclear nevertheless) you are a great candidate!

First question. My geography might need some refreshment as apparently some serious tectonic movement must have taken place, in the last 15 years!

Haha.. the trans-atlantic fiber runs terminate in Nova Scotia we are located within a rural region. We are in terms of travel time, directly between the two locations, but on land... underground. If you actually looked at the earth curvature and real position of the locations, not the propaganda map versions, you see we are inbetween the path of the two. East coast Canada to make it simple. The confusion over the statement is understandable though tonyk

As for being a prepper, even though we got one massive fallout shelter, we need to make money first and foremost. The cost of operating a fallout shelter this size just waiting for the zombie apocalypses to happen is a sure formula for bankruptcy. Preppers do love watching what we do though. Our plans for the facility are designed to enhance it's features, and utilize its potential as best we can in the current market environment. We also have a giant Bank of Canada vault that we plan to outfit with safety deposit boxes for secure data and/or document storage. It's about 3 times the size of bank vaults I have seen with safety deposit boxes.
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 05:30:54 AM »
Welcome to the community.

I have looked at your website and looks like you have invested a lot of time and money to get the bunker back  to orignal specs. 

Hopefully you can find a solution here with Bitshares.

 
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 05:41:19 AM »
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Welcome aboard! It has been a great dream of ours to target preppers and as a bunker owner (nuclear nevertheless) you are a great candidate!

First question. My geography might need some refreshment as apparently some serious tectonic movement must have taken place, in the last 15 years!

Haha.. the trans-atlantic fiber runs terminate in Nova Scotia we are located within a rural region. We are in terms of travel time, directly between the two locations, but on land... underground. If you actually looked at the earth curvature and real position of the locations, not the propaganda map versions, you see we are inbetween the path of the two. East coast Canada to make it simple. The confusion over the statement is understandable though tonyk

As for being a prepper, even though we got one massive fallout shelter, we need to make money first and foremost. The cost of operating a fallout shelter this size just waiting for the zombie apocalypses to happen is a sure formula for bankruptcy. Preppers do love watching what we do though. Our plans for the facility are designed to enhance it's features, and utilize its potential as best we can in the current market environment. We also have a giant Bank of Canada vault that we plan to outfit with safety deposit boxes for secure data and/or document storage. It's about 3 times the size of bank vaults I have seen with safety deposit boxes.

So, you are saying when I launch my boat in NY on my way to London it will be faster if I come visit you first? Sure, if you have a lot of lobster, I will stop by.

On the other issue - I had so much hope you were preppers... but alas, like everybody else you are in the bunker business for the money..
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 01:26:17 PM »
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On the other issue - I had so much hope you were preppers... but alas, like everybody else you are in the bunker business for the money..

I wasn't entirely clear.. money first.. prepper second. While everyone around us in the data industry has thought we should gut the place, we have developed a more balanced approach that marries new and historical elements to the building and retains it's function as a fallout shelter. Our restaurant portion that seats over 100 people will certainly be themed towards that end. MRE? Zombie burger? I have a bit of a prepper in me as anybody in the data center business should, but I am not looking to install turrets around the bunker with Gatling guns if that's what you were hoping for.  ;) Though drones are in the plans. Giant 5" thick steel doors with crossbar locking mechanism.. yes please!

Just like bitshares.. profit has to come first.  +5%
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 02:51:13 PM »
You're not trying to build a DAC, and a DAC won't help you here.

You are really just trying to get a particular organization to accept BTS as payment. Which is really awesome, but make sure you understand your goals.

A DAC isn't just "let's take this traditional company and make it decentralized", it is a carefully crafted incentive structure which is almost always not applicable to traditional business models.



edit: That's not to say there couldn't theoretically be a DAC related to bunkers which involves people trading risks associated with whether or not they think they will need a bunker in the future...
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2014, 05:51:09 AM »
You're not trying to build a DAC, and a DAC won't help you here.

You are really just trying to get a particular organization to accept BTS as payment. Which is really awesome, but make sure you understand your goals.

A DAC isn't just "let's take this traditional company and make it decentralized", it is a carefully crafted incentive structure which is almost always not applicable to traditional business models.



edit: That's not to say there couldn't theoretically be a DAC related to bunkers which involves people trading risks associated with whether or not they think they will need a bunker in the future...

I understand what you mean about DACs not meant for traditional businesses. However, we are talking primarily about a data center operation in which we plan to launch many managed services that easily fit into DACs. I have already seen some in the works. Your last remark was a good example of some creative method to incorporate a DAC into the bunker though. I think our cloud storage would be an ideal DAC candidate, or content delivery. These are just a few elements though.. a DAC that could back an entire data center operation would be something else.. and being at such early stage where we could 'fork' into this direction is what lends the opportunity.

You still think it would not make a fit?
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 10:18:11 AM »
You're not trying to build a DAC, and a DAC won't help you here.

You are really just trying to get a particular organization to accept BTS as payment. Which is really awesome, but make sure you understand your goals.

A DAC isn't just "let's take this traditional company and make it decentralized", it is a carefully crafted incentive structure which is almost always not applicable to traditional business models.



edit: That's not to say there couldn't theoretically be a DAC related to bunkers which involves people trading risks associated with whether or not they think they will need a bunker in the future...

I understand what you mean about DACs not meant for traditional businesses. However, we are talking primarily about a data center operation in which we plan to launch many managed services that easily fit into DACs. I have already seen some in the works. Your last remark was a good example of some creative method to incorporate a DAC into the bunker though. I think our cloud storage would be an ideal DAC candidate, or content delivery. These are just a few elements though.. a DAC that could back an entire data center operation would be something else.. and being at such early stage where we could 'fork' into this direction is what lends the opportunity.

You still think it would not make a fit?
DAC is a far fetched analogy which also applies to Bitcoin. A DAC is a profitable decentralized application. The term DAC (Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY) is used because companies need to be profitable to survive. That is the reasons to call it Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY and not Decentralized Autonomous Application. So Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY as a terms is just there to make the point that Decentralized Autonomous Applications (like Bitcoin) have to be profitable to survice.

Whether your business could be a DAC: As yourself if you need to keep track of ownership (of some kind) in a decentralized way (=not only on your servers, but on many throughout the world). If yes this could be a starting point. If not I don't know how to make use of Bitshares/blockchains. SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD CORRECT ME IF HE/SHE THINKS I AM WRONG HERE.

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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 01:11:10 PM »
DAC is a far fetched analogy which also applies to Bitcoin. A DAC is a profitable decentralized application. The term DAC (Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY) is used because companies need to be profitable to survive. That is the reasons to call it Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY and not Decentralized Autonomous Application. So Decentralized Autonomous COMPANY as a terms is just there to make the point that Decentralized Autonomous Applications (like Bitcoin) have to be profitable to survice.

Whether your business could be a DAC: As yourself if you need to keep track of ownership (of some kind) in a decentralized way (=not only on your servers, but on many throughout the world). If yes this could be a starting point. If not I don't know how to make use of Bitshares/blockchains. SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD CORRECT ME IF HE/SHE THINKS I AM WRONG HERE.

That's a great breakdown of the analogy. Helped me think a little more on what could possibly take place. Total newbie ourselves here I couldn't possibly say if you were right or wrong one way or another. If you are I am sure someone will be eager to say so. :)

With that in mind.. a DAC that ties into all service offerings that come out of the data center and bunker seems like it could be a way to go.. it would not be unlike BTS-PTS enabling those that buy to gain profit on all activities that coming out of them.. PTS gives us share in all future DACs.. so maybe I should be thinking along the lines of a starter and then subs? Is that possible? Or am I wrong here? Someone else is certainly welcome to correct me. I see us building API into our systems so that every transaction can be part of the DAC.. every billable one at least.
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2014, 10:15:23 PM »
surprised there is no response to making this a reality with BTS?   everyone is too busy counting their profits right now I guess  :D
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Re: Nuclear Bunker Data Center Introduction
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2014, 10:17:49 PM »

You're not trying to build a DAC, and a DAC won't help you here.

You are really just trying to get a particular organization to accept BTS as payment. Which is really awesome, but make sure you understand your goals.

A DAC isn't just "let's take this traditional company and make it decentralized", it is a carefully crafted incentive structure which is almost always not applicable to traditional business models.



edit: That's not to say there couldn't theoretically be a DAC related to bunkers which involves people trading risks associated with whether or not they think they will need a bunker in the future...

I understand what you mean about DACs not meant for traditional businesses. However, we are talking primarily about a data center operation in which we plan to launch many managed services that easily fit into DACs. I have already seen some in the works. Your last remark was a good example of some creative method to incorporate a DAC into the bunker though. I think our cloud storage would be an ideal DAC candidate, or content delivery. These are just a few elements though.. a DAC that could back an entire data center operation would be something else.. and being at such early stage where we could 'fork' into this direction is what lends the opportunity.

You still think it would not make a fit?

Ohhhh, sorry I misunderstood.

I think a data center in a bunker makes an ideal candidate to be a DAC delegate.
http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/DPOS

If you are ready to become involved then we can get started right away.
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