We are in the lead and NXT knows this.

[Gentso1]

I agree with the op's line of thinking here....sorry guys

Both parties are basically working to develop the same thing but going about it is slightly difference ways.To not think of them as competition is not seeing the forest for the trees.  I am not saying to bad mouth them or to not work with them but I am saying we are both building in the same sandbox. At a point the sandbox is only so big but right now their is plenty of room for us both. Throughout history the greater has nearly always taken from the lesser. So please take a moment and understand what it would mean to be the lesser of the 2 techs. While enemy was too strong of a word competitor is exactly what we are.

[liondani]

I think it exists but i don't think we ve missed anything yet

he missed something big...
(consider the fees with these volumes!)

[Helikopterben]

The real enemy is the legacy financial system and establishment.  They are losing.

I do not think they are enemy, they have just stopped evolving and that is much worse.
You stop evolving in the system which is evolving you are left behind. I am not feeling animosity toward current financial system any more than I am feeling animosity toward black and white TVs, they are in the process of becoming irrelevant. 

Bailouts, debasement of currency, removal of gold standard, 17 trillion dollars of national debt in the US, ect, ect, ect.  There is plenty of animosity to go around because of destruction of wealth.   

[mf-tzo]

I think it exists but i don't think we ve missed anything yet

[xeroc]

I think NXT had a lot of problems the last month...

Long term members scammed the community, hackers stole a lot o funds from an important community member, hackers stole from BTER and  the most important was that a couple of members pumped hugely the price with "huge announcements" and then dumped the price to the unsuspected (including myself, thankfully I have not invested much in them) within a week and have disappeared.

All in all NXT may have potential but this lost trust due to all the aforementioned is not going to be gained easily no matter what they do now...

Is it just my feeling or have I missed some recent announcments on bitHaus/nxtHaus (domsch) NXT-fiat exchange? That project still exists?

[mf-tzo]

I think NXT had a lot of problems the last month...

Long term members scammed the community, hackers stole a lot o funds from an important community member, hackers stole from BTER and  the most important was that a couple of members pumped hugely the price with "huge announcements" and then dumped the price to the unsuspected (including myself, thankfully I have not invested much in them) within a week and have disappeared.

All in all NXT may have potential but this lost trust due to all the aforementioned is not going to be gained easily no matter what they do now...

[vegolino]

The real enemy is the legacy financial system and establishment.  They are losing.

I do not think they are enemy, they have just stopped evolving and that is much worse.
You stop evolving in the system which is evolving you are left behind. I am not feeling animosity toward current financial system any more than I am feeling animosity toward black and white TVs, they are in the process of becoming irrelevant. 

[eagleeye]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

Too late... 

BTSX is @ no.4 so there will be many visitors

'Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, the aides-de-camp and door-keepers and sentries of the general in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.'

Sun Tzu

More Oasis.

General Oasis.

[Helikopterben]

The real enemy is the legacy financial system and establishment.  They are losing.

[Empirical1.1]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

Too late... 

BTSX is @ no.4 so there will be many visitors

'Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, the aides-de-camp and door-keepers and sentries of the general in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.'

Sun Tzu

[eagleeye]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

Yes Sir, onceuponatime.

Not me, Sun Tzu.

Sure onceuponatime.  Keep your quotes coming and other ones from Sun Tzu is good too.  We need it.

[onceuponatime]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

Yes Sir, onceuponatime.

Not me, Sun Tzu.

[eagleeye]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

Yes Sir, onceuponatime.

[onceuponatime]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu

[eagleeye]

The title has already been changed.  I may have strong opinions but I am pragmatic.

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
"a pragmatic approach to politics"
synonyms:   practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense; informalhard-nosed
"she remains pragmatic in the most emotional circumstances"
antonyms:   impractical
relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
LINGUISTICS
of or relating to pragmatics.

[vlight]

Own your enemies. If you really feel NXT is the enemy then buy shares in it.

Why would you buy shares in your enemy?  Sure we can look at this differently in terms of different words to use but this is disruptive technology.  Lets be the first to be the biggest.  For fame and fortune, my friends

"Keep Your Friends Close, But Your Enemies Closer"

[fuzzy]

What are you referring to with programmers, is BitSharesX in C++ and NXT in Java?

*confirmed*

IMHO the thread title sucks

Many posters to this thread have also said the title sucks. But OP only wants to teach, he doesn't want to learn (I get the impression that he already knows everything  ) And getting him to change a title, or his opinion, is probably a hopeless cause.

We all have opinions...and some of them are strong.  Best to accept that and not worry too much over the small stuff, but accept everyones opinions and accept they may prove to be correct in time.  It isn't like he is altogether incorrect so much as it is the way it was said makes people uncomfortable.

I personally like strong personalities...they are fun and challenging.  As long as we are all willing to admit when we are proven wrong--I see nothing wrong with this thread.  In fact, it has already made it to 2 pages so there must have been something intriguing!

[eagleeye]

Own your enemies. If you really feel NXT is the enemy then buy shares in it.

Why would you buy shares in your enemy?  Sure we can look at this differently in terms of different words to use but this is disruptive technology.  Lets be the first to be the biggest.  For fame and fortune, my friends

[onceuponatime]

What are you referring to with programmers, is BitSharesX in C++ and NXT in Java?

*confirmed*

IMHO the thread title sucks

Many posters to this thread have also said the title sucks. But OP only wants to teach, he doesn't want to learn (I get the impression that he already knows everything  ) And getting him to change a title, or his opinion, is probably a hopeless cause.

[xeroc]

What are you referring to with programmers, is BitSharesX in C++ and NXT in Java?

*confirmed*

IMHO the thread title sucks

[eagleeye]

Do not work till you faint (developers)

Tell your friends about the benefits of BTSX and that it will go grow (fast)! (Grassroots promotion) tell them about this website bitshares.org and the forum.  Specifically tell them about this General forum.

I am one of the people on this forum who is most capable of a post like this...and even I have respect for NXT.  Their community and devs all are top notch in my opinion (why I own NXT too).  BitShares and NXT are very similar in the intelligence of their design and both being written in different programming languages enables a broader level of high quality code that actually serves the crypto-sphere well with regard to security and development. 

Sure...a Java programmer might be able to switch over and write pretty solid code in C++, but why force them to waste that time when they can code in a language they know inside and out?  NXT has value. 

With that said, I still think BitShares is an overall better model...but much to see with regard to what the future brings!

What are you referring to with programmers, is BitSharesX in C++ and NXT in Java?

[Method-X]

I've looked into NXT and I'm not seeing anything interesting. Do they have crypto derivatives (BitAssets)? If they don't then I wouldn't consider them competitors let alone "enemies"...

[leon]

 

Please spread love not fear 

[vegolino]

Please spread love not fear 

[Blahbleuhbleuh]

No point thinking like that... They're not "enemies", they're our cousins in the crypto industry. Instead of trying to build a wall around you and give everybody the middle finger, it's better to approach people and work on common problems and build standards and interoperability where that is successful... Everybody in the same boat, buddy.

[vegolino]

NXT is not the enemy.

[testz]

NXT is not the enemy.

[santaclause102]

(For the developers) This is a race like to build the atomic bomb metaphorically speaking.  Never forget that.  In this industry the winner may get 90% market share. 

(For everyone else) Do not take words literally use a Thesaurus.

Quite a bit of war rhetoric there. There is no benefit form such a language imo.

Better let the best arguments speak than aggressive words.

I suppose that this forum / community is one of the brighter ones (next to truthcoin which is very small though) because Dan began with calm and good arguments which attracted calm and smart people who convinced calm and smart people and so on.

You are invited to do the same. 

[luckybit]

Own your enemies. If you really feel NXT is the enemy then buy shares in it.

[fuzzy]

lol..srry. makes more sense now w ur explanation. I do dig the cat..

[eagleeye]

(For the developers) This is a race like to build the atomic bomb metaphorically speaking.  Never forget that.  In this industry the winner may get 90% market share. 

(For everyone else) Do not take words literally use a Thesaurus.

I don't think so. I don't think 90% of the market share is going to any community because the marketcap is in the trillions. There is no need to compete as if the marketcap is 1 billion or less when there are trillions of dollars to go around leaving NXT and Bitshares with market caps more than likely in the 10s of billions or 100s of billions someday.

The competition is the established Forex exchange. What is their market cap?

Note taken.  But look at Google or Microsoft.  They take up most of the market share.  This is technology.  It is true Forex is technology but it is also currency.  Look at the CBOT or CBOE they are the derivative commoditiy and forex exchanges in the United States.  They take up most the marketshare.

[luckybit]

(For the developers) This is a race like to build the atomic bomb metaphorically speaking.  Never forget that.  In this industry the winner may get 90% market share. 

(For everyone else) Do not take words literally use a Thesaurus.

I don't think so. I don't think 90% of the market share is going to any community because the marketcap is in the trillions. There is no need to compete as if the marketcap is 1 billion or less when there are trillions of dollars to go around leaving NXT and Bitshares with market caps more than likely in the 10s of billions or 100s of billions someday.

The competition is the established Forex exchange. What is their market cap?

[CoinHoarder]

What is this??

We should be cooperating with the projects that are similar to ours because there is much to be gained by both sides...

NXT and BitShares are very close to each other and, in fact, would be the perfect unified "enemies" of Proof of Work schemes.

...

My post was a joke in case you couldn't tell from the cat wearing an apple helmet.

However, I do somewhat agree with the OP that Nxt is competition. I might think about it differently if they seemed open to collaboration and working together, but they don't really seem like it. The people giving Bitshares the hardest time on bitcointalk are Nxt/NEM people, so they are actually working against us IMO.

[fuzzy]

What is this??

We should be cooperating with the projects that are similar to ours because there is much to be gained by both sides...

NXT and BitShares are very close to each other and, in fact, would be the perfect unified "enemies" of Proof of Work schemes. 

[CoinHoarder]

[fuzzy]

Do not work till you faint (developers)

Tell your friends about the benefits of BTSX and that it will go grow (fast)! (Grassroots promotion) tell them about this website bitshares.org and the forum.  Specifically tell them about this General forum.

I am one of the people on this forum who is most capable of a post like this...and even I have respect for NXT.  Their community and devs all are top notch in my opinion (why I own NXT too).  BitShares and NXT are very similar in the intelligence of their design and both being written in different programming languages enables a broader level of high quality code that actually serves the crypto-sphere well with regard to security and development. 

Sure...a Java programmer might be able to switch over and write pretty solid code in C++, but why force them to waste that time when they can code in a language they know inside and out?  NXT has value. 

With that said, I still think BitShares is an overall better model...but much to see with regard to what the future brings!

[eagleeye]

(For the developers) This is a race like to build the atomic bomb metaphorically speaking.  Never forget that.  In this industry the winner may get 90% market share. 

(For everyone else) Do not take words literally use a Thesaurus.

[luckybit]

Do not work till you faint (developers)

Tell your friends about the benefits of BTSX and that it will go grow (fast)! (Grassroots promotion) tell them about this website bitshares.org and the forum.  Specifically tell them about this General forum.

Enemies?

[onceuponatime]

Yes, Please change the topic wording.

[Empirical1]

Bad title imo. I think healthy competition is good and I enjoy what we call in the UK 'banter' but NXT is certainly not the 'enemy' and as others have said has some good people and tech. Before the hack which wasn't there fault and could easily have happened to us, I used to own some NXT. Granted it was very small compared to my BitShares stake  but still... 

[yellowecho]

NXT is our friendly competition not our enemy 
Besides, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Please change the title or delete the post..

[bitmeat]

Yes, change the title please, the world doesn't need more hostility.

[biophil]

Can we please not call Next the enemy? Nxt has good people and good tech. Never forget that they were the first written-from-scratch POS cryptosystem, beating bitshares by months.
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[tonyk]

Only NTXer in denial can post a thread with such topic.

Those of them that see the light, are welcomed and are already here.

 NXT is not the enemy.

[eagleeye]

Do not work till you faint (developers)

Tell your friends about the benefits of BTSX and that it will go grow (fast)! (Grassroots promotion) tell them about this website bitshares.org and the forum.  Specifically tell them about this General forum.