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Although it is a talk about bitcoin, it applies to the entire crypto-exchange experiment.

http://youtu.be/_LRRA1tBIS8
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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014, 09:18:48 AM »
Although it is talk about bitcoin, it applies to the entire crypto-exchange experiment.

http://youtu.be/_LRRA1tBIS8

This is a must watch video for bytemaster and anyone seriously interested in crypto.

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014, 03:26:16 PM »
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It's so important for people to grasp that once the power of money is more fairly distributed, the world's entire incentive structure will change.  The effect will be hard to imagine....
explosive innovation, the possibility of justice and a grand unveiling of truth.....

The incumbent gatekeepers have zero legitimacy....their legacy is famine, disease, war, environmental destruction, slavery, theft, lies and fear.

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2014, 02:16:26 AM »
 +5% Falkvinge spitting fire as usual.

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 08:36:34 AM »
WOW .. nice find ...

also interesting for @cob!!
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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 09:22:41 AM »
don't follow the complete video so honestly idk if this is right .. .




But thinking he wants to go with SWARM ... just noticed ...
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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 10:51:08 AM »
don't follow the complete video so honestly idk if this is right .. .




But thinking he wants to go with SWARM ... just noticed ...
I don't think that has anything to do with SWARM coin.
Check it out "Changing the world through swarm intelligence: Rick Falkvinge at TEDxOslo 2013" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdiFV-AFbBA

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 04:37:51 PM »
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It's so important for people to grasp that once the power of money is more fairly distributed, the world's entire incentive structure will change.  The effect will be hard to imagine....
explosive innovation, the possibility of justice and a grand unveiling of truth.....

The incumbent gatekeepers have zero legitimacy....their legacy is famine, disease, war, environmental destruction, slavery, theft, lies and fear.

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Dang JoeyD, that's a fantastic video! I sure hope Stan & Dan watch it and internalize it's message. I've posted elsewhere in this forum my dissatisfaction of acquiescing our principles to the likes of funcen & aml pressure to hasten adoption, but this video strengthens my resolve to lobby III to resist that temptation and stand firm. If that means adoption is slower so be it. I just hope III can see the big picture well enough to know what the crucial decision points are and clever enough to find financing and a path to move forward where fincen & aml are not in the way.

I don't envy any leaders in the crypto revolution and the hard choices they will be called to make. Perhaps we'll see a "mass disappearance" of crypto devs and prime movers (ala Atlas Shrugged) to only appear later in a crypto Galt's Gulch to continue their innovation beyond the fucked up gatekeeper establishment mentality so widespread today.

Man I loved that video!  +5% +5% +5%
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 08:03:40 PM »
Profound. His examples, thoughts and ideas are just delightful. I wish he could provide more examples of what we can to to get to mainstream but I respect the fact that he isn't going to pretend to have all the answers.

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2014, 08:36:57 PM »
don't follow the complete video so honestly idk if this is right .. .




But thinking he wants to go with SWARM ... just noticed ...
I don't think that has anything to do with SWARM coin.
Check it out "Changing the world through swarm intelligence: Rick Falkvinge at TEDxOslo 2013" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdiFV-AFbBA

 thx for this info ...
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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 01:08:56 AM »
I like what the presenter has highlighted.  The legacy players would attempt to choke off innovative tech like bitcoin.  Already we have lost our privacy rights when buying bitcoin from the exchange because of the Know-Your-Customer rule under the pretext of anti money-laundering.  We do not have KYC with dollar notes. There may be more rules that are coming out.. eg the current talk of FinCen investigating companies that carried out fund raising via bitcoin.  The music industry players may lobby for rules against bitshare music dac and peertracks. Should we resist or is resistance futile?
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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 09:00:25 AM »
We should resist, that's the whole point.

The video also puts into perspective what kinds of push back the current gatekeepers will give and that "we" aren't as alert because of the internet as people think we are. As proven by the successful brainwashing of the masses into thinking copying something you own is evil and means you are a "pirate". If you think about it, it is pretty amazing that they actually succeeded in this, reprogramming on a massive scale.

I personally think this decentralization and redistribution of financial power is bigger than the internet, although maybe not as big as the printing press and bringing literacy to the masses, it does affect some pretty powerful gatekeepers. What I don't know is how coordinated these systems that are now being threatened are. If they are coordinated then things will get ugly and we have seen nothing yet.

However other than trying to warn people and making them aware of the dangers and making as many competing blockchain like solutions (whack a mole), I can't think of many other ways to counteract this danger of people being subservient to these unjustified power-structures. Brainwashing on this large a scale is hard to get rid off, more often than not it needs some big wars to wake people up and even then the results are only limited at best.

A lot of the so-called leading figureheads in bitcoin have been almost begging for the red-flag laws to be called upon bitcoin and others, like mr BTC-China. Saying stuff like we need legislation that does not stifle or other nonsense like that, because history shows us that is a contradiction in terms. What's the point of making trustless, robust and corruption preventing systems and then asking for legislation, that's just admitting the design is flawed and the experiment has failed.

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 09:54:12 AM »
Charlie Chaplain, The Great Dictator -

"I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible - Jew, Gentile - black man - white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost....

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish. ....."

On youtube, the above speech mixes very movingly with Hiatus - Precious Little.....just get them both going at about the same time....

There is no choice but to resist.....because how can we enjoy the world's staggering beauty if we stand idly by whilst others are subjected to such ugliness?

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Re: Falkvinge on historic parrallels and possible reactions by gatekeepers
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 11:27:08 AM »
It is obvious that there is a need for redistribution of wealth worldwide. It is obvious that there is a great need for decentralization.

I am talking to medium class educated people daily about those needs and they really don't get it. I hear all the time people complaining about how Facebook, yahoo, google etc control all the information about everybody, how the stock markets are manipulated,  the lack of security etc etc and when I mention something like:
 
"if there could be a social decentralized network that nobody can spy on you, if you could send money without the need to disclose all your personal information, if you could have an internet that no one can spy your search habits, would you be interested in such services?" the most common answer I get is "NO. Because in the end of the day I am not doing something illegal and have nothing to hide."

It appears to me that people have linked in their head the decentralization and the privacy of information with something illegal. So how do you change that? .

I think that only if we change this wrong perception the redistribution of wealth through decentralization can be truly achieved and still it will be something really difficult to do because by the time this perception is changed, the more wealthy people, people with more knowledge power, even the Governments themselves with the existing financial body they support would have already invested in this idea in advance and will for one more time gain more than the average unbanked Jo. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 11:45:17 AM »
It is obvious that there is a need for redistribution of wealth worldwide. It is obvious that there is a great need for decentralization.

I am talking to medium class educated people daily about those needs and they really don't get it. I hear all the time people complaining about how Facebook, yahoo, google etc control all the information about everybody, how the stock markets are manipulated,  the lack of security etc etc and when I mention something like:
 
"if there could be a social decentralized network that nobody can spy on you, if you could send money without the need to disclose all your personal information, if you could have an internet that no one can spy your search habits, would you be interested in such services?" the most common answer I get is "NO. Because in the end of the day I am not doing something illegal and have nothing to hide."

It appears to me that people have linked in their head the decentralization and the privacy of information with something illegal. So how do you change that? .

I think that only if we change this wrong perception the redistribution of wealth through decentralization can be truly achieved and still it will be something really difficult to do because by the time this perception is changed, the more wealthy people, people with more knowledge power, even the Governments themselves with the existing financial body they support would have already invested in this idea in advance and will for one more time gain more than the average unbanked Jo.

We change it by giving our unique skills to the ecosystem we believe most reflects our own values.  And by being brave enough to make a stand.  Many people will respect a cryptonerd who tells a querying congressman something to the effect of "We are fixing what you guys F*d up.  You have been caught passing laws to legalize insider trading for yourselves, being paid off by huge Internationally Based Corporations and you right laws for them aYou left our generation with the problem...and we are fixing it so we no longer need you". 

Watch someone say that...get it on youtube...and watch how quickly it goes viral.   Then wait for a crypt-based false flag to try to regain traction...but guess what, the internet has made "False Flag" a common term.  People know the old tricks.  They can't win, unless we get greedy and care more about "profit" than the ultimate goal. 

Profit comes later. 

I loved watching Andreas Antonopolis talk, but I do wish he would have gotten a few solid "jabs" in for strategic reasons.   
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