Quote from: cass on July 03, 2015, 06:45:06 am

Quote from: Ben Mason on July 02, 2015, 07:37:23 pm

Someone should try to contact Varoufakis, Liondanni?!!

@bitsapphire - AFAIK .. you were getting in contact with him on last hackathon in Singapure... don't you?

I actually had the chance to have a great discussion with him before he became finance minister, back when he was at Valve. He is among the smartest people I know.

Bitshares is not at the stage where it can help Greece. We are still at the innovation and product development stage. Though Bitshares is both the most advanced tech and community (we already made and fixed the technical and community mistakes Ethereum is just starting to go through). No government should even consider using crypto until it gets to the industrial-grade level, which is another 1-3 years in the future. Patience my friends.

That said, I would not be surprised if a government switched their entire financial system to crypto within the next 5-10 years. I am pretty sure, that if the tech was ready V-man would definitely consider issuing IOUs redeemable at interest and usable for tax payment. That would be the ideal solution to the Greek crisis atm and he has written about this already in his blog.

You don't think that's a little long to wait? How long can these devs withstand and continue pushing? It seems like a very difficult task to do.

Don't wait too long. Now would be the time to ride the momentum this has given us...and not enough is said about the power of momentum.

Just wanted to chime in here. I would say I've been a fairly consistent member and have had many wonderful chats and made great connections on this community. I think that the community is the strength of this project. With that said, I think one of the biggest problems that has come about with the cryptonomex/bitshares 2.0 move is the lack of transparency in demands for usage of the code. In the previous version, we knew the unspoken rule was 20% (because it was said that you would be outright ostracized from the community if you didn't sharedrop). I always have liked the idea of sharedropping, but I understand there are numerous ways to get across your means of being able to pay for the services of those who came before. Which is why I have such a problem here. There hasn't been that kind of transparency in terms of demands. Part of this I understand due to the sacrifices (and yes, there were sacrifices made on the dev's end...you'd have to be a fool to not see that). But at what cost? This community has been the driving force behind Bitshares and worked to maintain its relevancy. I think that there should be more efforts put into transparency regarding the license. That's my wishlist item. Other than that, keep doing what you guys are doing. I've been trying to get up to speed with the new code and it is just gorgeous....and the Doxygen file is written very well this time around to the point where I can actually reasonably figure what the hell is going on in the code. All in all, just keep trying for transparency. Everything else will follow. That's my 2 cents. I'm out.

As always, an excellent analysis arhag. It's starting to make me wonder. Do you think it at all possible that we could implement these micropayment middle men in BTS?

You say Prelude is available for developers. Where can a developer go and contribute?

Is anybody going to answer this or no?

Quote from: VoR0220 on June 17, 2015, 01:52:51 am

A) I'd like to contribute to the code with Cryptonomex (because these dudes are going places)
B) I'm not sure whether I want to build a business ON TOP of the blockchain or whether I will need to make a separate blockchain. In order to figure that out, I will need to understand the capabilities of this current blockchain.

With that said, I am already on brushing up on my javascript skills and have taken to learning Node.js which seems like it'd be appropriate for this. It would seem that the best approach would be to make a separate chain but in order to do that and morph it to the needs, I will need to learn the code. I'm aware of the licensing and have talked with Bytemaster and am open to negotiating in order to use a separate blockchain, or even building a side chain. The point is, I'd like to know the product I build and would like to help the BitShares ecosystem.

My recommendation is to try to stay on the BitShares chain if at all possible for shared network effect and interoperability.
Reasons for sacrificing these advantages:

1.  Your application is philosophically incompatible - e.g. you want to build a government controlled chain.
2.  Your economics are different - e.g. you need micropayments and ultra low cost transaction fees or some other rate structure.
3.  You need to distribute new shares to a different demographic to gain their support and all the shares on this chain are already taken.

These are some of the reasons we might agree to license Graphene to another chain, since by definition it can't compete because of its inherent incompatibilities.

Otherwise, if a chain competes with BitShares we would tend to accept the challenge and compete right back.  (That is unlikely to result in a license of Graphene.) 

Better to join us or convince us you are harmless.

If you are plowing new ground and give our BTSholders a stake, we would generally be in favor of that.

That said, we have learned that at all times we are dumber now than we will be later, so we want to defer every decision possible to our future smarter selves.

It has moreso to do with block signers and the need for them to be far more and dynamic....if that makes sense? In other words, rather than have a couple 100 delegates, I am looking for around 1000. I would like to work with crypronomex and not compete and have made my goals clear to Dan and he seemed open and receptive to the idea. He has told me that I should look to build on top of the chain but that due to how I am setting it up it may need its own. In any case it will make a great case study of how bitshares can be used.


That's not the point however. I would gladly build on top of the chain if I felt it suited what I was trying to do.

The point here is in learning the code and what would be the most optimal way to learn the code.

Edit: I should also add that the economics of the chain are different and would need to operate on micro transactions. Point being, its likely another chain is needed but I am all for full integration with the crypronomex blockchain.