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General Discussion / Re: descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 05:16:46 am »
hey toast, can you explain how prediction markets mechanisms work?  and how can be useful here?





Quote from: toast on April 23, 2014, 01:47:56 am
I like what you're getting it... I'm not in the mood to discuss this at length right now but from my perspective the basic "input" mechanisms available to a blockchain are prediction markets and shareholder votes.

I think something like this needs to be a 2d reddit: one metric is *quality* and the other is *agree/disagree*. Have participants *trade towards consensus about quality* and *vote on agree/disagree*.

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General Discussion / Re: descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 05:05:15 am »
what about creating books in this way?


what about rewriting the history of humanity in this way?


what do you think?


 ::)

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General Discussion / Re: descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 04:51:38 am »
interesting.... Gamey what do you mean with " not in so much a typical prediction model" ?

Other thought:
Maybe the person who put more crypto-equity to insert his idea in the blockchain should win more crypto-equities or recover his inverted crypto equity if the idea he submitted is sucesful. In the other hand if the idea is bad and became dead , then he looses his crypto-equity , this would promote that only good ideas are summited. Only ideas that people really believe are good.

This would be also a mecanism and a tool  for collective innovation.
A tool that would allow new ways of collective innovation.
The tool would promote collective innovation in large groups of people and the resulting ideas or products should be profitable by the people that helped in the innovation or evolution of the idea.
The tool itself should not be monetized but the innovations or bussiness resulting from this tool can be monetized .



The question I have now is  : how to generate better consensus? which mechanism or architecture would allow the best decisions?





Quote from: gamey on April 23, 2014, 04:03:46 am
It is an interesting thought - making the blockchain a market of ideas, but not in so much a typical prediction model.

You could actually  have a DAC with shares.  People could vote on ideas.  In the end, the person who is willing to put the most crypto-equity would have their version etched into the blockchain.  Not sure how you can use blockchain technology  to arrive at a fairer and more honest consensus without some sort of special trusted system of allotment of the right to vote.

When I was younger there were these books called Choose Your Own Adventure.  Each page had an option.  It might tell you how your car won't start.  Then gives 2 options, Sit in car and wait for help (Go to page 12) Or take off walking (Go to page 16).

I could see a DAC be a twisted sort of literature where the highest bidder gets to add branches to the story, or perhaps contribute the next minichapter.  It would be an interesting experiment for sure.  Unfortunately I can't see a way to monetize this, but at some point when the tools are sufficiently mature a person could probably implement the above in a matter of days.

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General Discussion / Re: descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:49:09 am »
i think this could led to the creation of a new type of forum with new types of features and possibilities ( i dont know if call it forum, maybe we should look for another name ).

One of the possibilities is creating a new tool for constructing collective knowledge based on consentuated arguments of all participants.
Arguments can be confronted and expanded by discussion in the forum and  by a  mechanism of votes that would allow some arguments to be expanded or to survive.

But the question is :
What should guarantee that the consensuated arguments are "better " arguments or "better" knowledge or true?
A bunch of people votting is sufficient for taking good decisions? or we need another mechanism?


what do you think?

If we find a way of generating good decisions these technology has a lot of potential and can be useful in many escenarios.
Imagine for example creating a constitution in these way, where all the  peoples of a country takes part on the creation of this constitution.

Which mechanism can we add in order to guarantee that the knowledge created at large scale by this technology is good , useful , smart knowledge?








Quote from: gamey on April 23, 2014, 01:53:07 am
The basic concept would be something like you pay to store data in the blockchain.  I am not sure you actually want a regular forum.  It would really depend on your objectives.  If you want to give people an anonymous platform and make it free, it will surely be filled with those trying to profit. 

 It is an interesting idea though.  Datacoin does this sort of thing.  I'm sure it is implemented elsewhere in some manner.

Putting a nice forum frontend on a blockchain would definitely make for an interesting userbase and could have some great uses.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity ?
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:02:24 am »
We need to be carefull with innovation and technological development. They both are not neutral.
We need to analyze if these innovations are good for society. Where do we want to go?
Which kind of consequences are gonna have these developments?


I think bitshares music promote scarcity and as consequence its very bad for the interest of humanity.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity ?
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:53:14 am »
In order to sell you need to limitate the access to the music.
Bitshare music is based on a mechanism that limitates the number of copies that can be made.

Its creating artificial scarcity!


Quote from: toast on April 23, 2014, 02:46:32 am
I have no idea how bitshares music is encouraging scarcity, to the contrary I think the idea is that it frees artists to let their fans copy and share music ss much ss possible

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity ?
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:47:41 am »
http://p2pfoundation.net/Abundance_Logic


Quote from: onceuponatime on April 23, 2014, 02:41:26 am
"Urrutia says that many companies are trying to create artificial scarcity..."

Who or what is an "Urrutia"?

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Muse/SoundDAC / Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity ?
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:12:23 am »
Hi, I'm new with bitshares and i been reading the messages in these forum, i have this question:
Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity?

Many thinkers support the idea of what is called "abundance logic" of internet , this means, that things can be replicated without costs and this is consequence of the structure of the distributed net and its topography.

Urrutia says that many companies are trying to create artificial scarcity but this is negative for the "abundance logic" .
Instead  of going against the logic of abundance we should promote it . Create technological infraestructures that promote it.

What do you think about this?

Dont you think bitshares music and a lot of development in crypto/bitcoin stuff is about creating artificial scarcity and this is in escense something bad for the interests of humanity ( logic of abundance) ?








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General Discussion / Re: descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 01:20:23 am »
This keyhotee project is very interesting but its insufficient for generating forums without moderators.
We need also a mechanism that would allow to replace the functions that moderators do.

How to create a technological mechanism that would allow the community of participants of the forum to become a new super intelligent entity that perform complex tasks? making obsolete the necessity of moderators?



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General Discussion / descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 12:00:34 am »
Hi, im new with bitcoin.
I was thinking about the posibilities of using block chains for creating forums withouth centralized power.

Do you know if there is something like this outthere?

The problem i always see with many forums is that a very short group of people called moderators have the power for deleting messages or banning people and this is something very limitating for freedom of speech.
Moderators are always gonna have political ideologies and are gonna limitate points of view that are against their ideology.

In some latinoamerican countries there are laws that can put you in jail if you defend specific ideologies.
So, moderators are gonna delete different points of view,  so they become expression of the centralized power  and its  interests.

How to avoid this? is it possible to have a forum withouth moderators but instead make that the moderators are all the community in the forum?

Which mechanisms can be developed in order make the decisions of the descentralized community to be  "smart" and  to make sure that freedom of speech are not gonna be limitated  but instead critical thinking are gonna be promoted  ????


what do you think?








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