Maybe its overkill. You do a good job on your other stuff. Maybe just read that news letter from them and put it out as a recording.
Im voting no because that brian dude was just an epic fail. Is it statistically possible to have another so close in succession?
Yeh it isn't a bad idea and I have kicked it around. I wouldn't mind doing it but if it becomes 20-30 pages that is just too much work...though I do think it is at least somewhat better than doing nothing.
I support marketing or just plain old developer hangouts, for sure.
In fact we still have yet to schedule ours Fuzz... it was a crazy month, but we're happy to get something on the calendar.
Thanks a great deal for that man, but that is actually not what i'm talking about here. I'm talking about providing updates about what the nullstreet marketing crew is doing. I think CryptoPrometheus is in a great position to get paid to join us during our weekly hangout and spend 5 minutes giving an overview of the most interesting things going on in marketing, but I am really looking for a volunteer to help interface as a NullStreet Marketing person.
Personally I'm really impressed with the way the marketing crew is self organizing. I see natural roles developing, and I think we're all mature enough to call bullshit when we see it. There's a lot happening at nullstreet, and things are heating up in a really good way.
I am too. Yet somehow when I try to get across to everyone that it is important to interface somewhat regularly with the community's most avid supporters, it literally gets outright ignored. It doesn't make sense to me, but when one of the most prominent leaders of Nullstreet came out and told me he was going to be taking a "very passive role" in BitShares...I found myself wondering if everyone in NullStreet even knew about it.
For instance, if I just told emailtooaj, mira and btswildpig "i'm going to take a passive role in these hangouts from now on", but still expected to be a part of the delegate, I do not think that is a good idea on my part.
Speaking from personal experience the whole process of running for a delegate spot has been a massive undertaking, and absolutely no personal gain of any kind to show for it yet. Quite the opposite.
Our team has about 360 hours and $1200+ dollars invested, on top of delegate registration fees of around 120,000 bts, just now about 75% recovered from our first delegate's accumulated pay. Not to mention we haven't been able to really seek professional legal council (yet another reason to support Fuzz) and we haven't taken care of a good many business expenses associated with doing this right.
How many other '100% paid' delegates are in a similar position thus far?
Thanks for the info and
great question! This goes both ways! Opening up to the community and being Honest about what is going on behind the scenes for yourself and roadscape (and lord I love you both) brings the community closer to you! It helps them understand the struggles of being a delegate who is working mostly off the belief that they can better themselves, the network and the world around us. Leaving people in the dark largely makes them assume the worst---especially when past experience has shown them the worst. This is as much a reason for you guys to reach out to the community as any other!
I am all for transparency, i love it, but If I had one BitSilver for every frustrated rant calling for delegate accountability of system in which even 100% paid delegates are still working for free... with lion hearted effing magic abilities of literally turning 'nothing into something'.... i would put them all in a fund to counteract the cynical by reminding them to be grateful for all the gifts they have received in life, just to be here, having this conversation.
I agree and it frustrates me whole heartedly probably as much as anyone around ...because to be frank if you were to go on twitter and other social media sites, I was one of only 3 people on those sites shouting at the top of my lungs about BitShares and bitAssets. Reddit was only slightly better. Then to have people always complaining, but rarely find the time to ask if they could better spend their time doing something constructive...is frustrating.
Let's turn this around. There is critical thinking, which is awesome... and there is toxic, neurotic, infectious scarcity complex... which is self defeating.
toxic, neurotic and infectious thoughts are self-defeating...but they are what fill in the space when outreach is not done. I used to do clinical outreach for the military when I was in the air force. We did outreach because we wanted to:
A) Identify Problems before they became too big.
B) Connect with the community to help decrease stigma of asking for help when needed.
C) To help people understand some basic things they could do on their own to help ensure they ever needed us.
What I have and continue to suggest is outreach. Heck if not through Mumble, do it through BitSharesTV! Regardless, not offering outreach in these areas is a recipe for disaster and we can call the people who become upset and frustrated on both sides toxic, neurotic and a whole host of things, but it wouldn't be a correct assessment. The fact remains that if we want to have trust amongst ourselves and we want to be as effective as possible as a team, that we need to be open with each other about our intentions, plans, failings and strengths. If we do not communicate effectively with investors, we can be assured that it is going to bite us in the ass.
Did you ever have a swear jar at home? Where you had to put a quarter in the jar if you dropped the f-bomb?
We should institute the 'gripe jar'... i have no idea how that would work, but damn i'd love to see it.
How about this. Every time someone gripes about how awful things are, delegate or not, will ask them what they have been doing to help this project succeed? How many people did they turn on to BitShares in the past month? How much liquidity did they provide? How many creative ideas have they shared? How many solutions have they offered? How many times did they say 'good job', or, I really appreciate all you have done to advance the cause. If they can't say anything useful, then they can tip the gripe jar 1 BitSilver to be used for something constructive.
I like this idea...but to be honest, at the same time it is necessary to not do this:
“Cecil Graham: What is a cynic?
Lord Darlington: A man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing.
Cecil Graham: And a sentimentalist, my dear Darlington, is a man who sees an absurd value in everything and doesn’t know the market price of any single thing.”
Can we land somewhere in the middle? Can we recognize the great strides which have been made instead of sulking in the shadows of 'what might have been?', and chasing the phantoms of 'what are we losing?'
I don't think of it that way...and you know me bitscape. I try to believe the best in people but at the same time it is a fine line between being a believer and being a fool. Investors will either A) get what they want, or B) will lose confidence and exit the system. We have to be astutely aware of this. This isn't the government--it is a true free market!
As far as a middle ground I believe there is one...but until I made this post it seemed that my points were largely ignored in NullStreet. Perhaps this is because I am not as active as I wish I could be in there because I have other things going on, but literally being ignored when I extend a hand outward makes me begin to cringe.
Oh, one more thing... you can leave your 'dick metaphors' at the door.
We don't need to read that crap... get creative at least for satoshi's sake.
I had to get that out of my system before it turned into resentment. Some comments in this thread were just the straw that broke the narwhal's back, and that's hard to do! Little mopey gripey sulk all over this forum.
Agreed...
I have a heck of a dirty mouth (when i'm speaking), but there is a message beyond the message in there and I think we need to be careful...
However, I understand he is frustrated. I just wish he would have taken a moment to try to voice it in a little less offensive way. But hell, we DO have free speech!
Praise to those who contribute by other means!
peace, b
Peace to you too man. And definitely thank you to all of those out there who are doing even little things every day to help this project. You might not get a whole lot of thanks for what you are doing...but that only makes it more admirable.