Is there a way to tell how much income the blockchain generated from this?

Quote from: lil_jay890 on January 27, 2016, 03:55:38 am

Quote from: merockstar on January 27, 2016, 03:37:24 am

Update on this: I managed to stay focused for a few weeks, then it lost my interest, in classic failure fashion.

Blew another week or two playing civ iv. realized that I've played that game for a decade and am still terrible at it. learning programming can't be THAT much harder than this.

the way I see it, this could be a major bitter defeat that results in me giving for an even longer amount of time and making zero progress.

or I could get my ass up and back on the horse, analyze what went wrong, and try again.

here's what I think went wrong:

1) I picked the wrong kind of book. In my quest to find something comprehensive, i went a little overboard and picked a book completely dedicated to syntax. I think it would have made a much better reference book than something for a near-newbie to learn from.

2) I think I picked the wrong programming language. I need to be picking a tool based on what I want to do. And what I want to do, people use c++, so that should be the syntax I'm learning, even if it is a little tougher. as I was forcing myself to press on in that book I kept thinking "even after I learn python, I'm still another book on programming away from getting closer to what I really want to study." that allowed a discouraging feedback loop to fester.

So I'm reexamining the situation. I really want to make something of this so I'm researching new learning options. These ones oriented towards C++, and designed to be a TUTORIAL, not a reference. I'm going to choose carefully this time. I want something readable, that doesn't go into way too much detail, but still goes deep and teaches what I need to know.

If anybody gives a shit, I'll let you know what I decide.

I did a bunch of the paths in codecademy and realized that it is just a primer.  I needed to practice better as codecademy just has you fill in little snipits here and there.  It's great as an introduction but i needed something thorough and with more examples so that I could get my brain to actually comprehend and apply what I was reading.

I ended up going to Javascriptissexxy.com and following the learn javascript properly path.  So far so good as it combines codecademy, a text book, code school and some blog posts.  The course is broken down into 6 weeks of learning.  Best of all it's free other than buying the textbook for $30.

@merockstar I chose Javascript because BM said that plasma was going to be very friendly to people who know js... I thought I would get a jumpstart.

that is excellent! are you still popping into mumble in the afternoons? my work situation is weird right now. they'll use me for a week then abandon me. then call me in a few days a couple weeks later and I'm finding it hard to get into a routine.

it's too bad there isn't more interest in something like this here. just three different guys with interests in learning different things. I feel like something like the original purpose of this thread would be difficult to organize that way.

but it sounds like javascriptissexy has done just that for you!

I think I missed the thread where it was revealed what Plasma is going to be exactly. Still a mystery in my mind. That could maybe be the motivation I need to jump in and join you on javascript. what you describe does sound like something I really need.

But designing websites just doesn't appeal to me the way writing applications does. the ability to tell a computer what you want it to do with the hardware it's running on just sounds so much cooler to me than coding up a webpage. Bitcoin is C++, and so is BitShares. Most major for profit products are written in C++. C++ just seems like the language for somebody who wants to step up and wield the true power of a computer. It's the one that really excites me to think about knowing.

I was considering other learning paths, but the FAQ in the C++ section of the learnprogramming subreddit had the following advice: It doesn't matter what programming language you want to learn, pick the tool that suits what you want to do and learn it. If you want to learn C++, learn C++. If you want to learn Python learn Python, but don't pick Python because it's easier for learning. That was exactly what I was doing.

That's exactly what I'd be doing for Javascript too, unless somebody sells me on it. Maybe I should google "Why learn Javascript," see if I can stimulate my own interest.

Does anybody know what would be a good language to study for somebody interesting in writing apps on ethereum? Just out of curiosity.

I actually had a semester of coding in C++ and C# during college.  From what I can tell they are very similar to javascript.  They are all object oriented programming languages with similar syntax.

When I was starting I was kind of in the same boat as far as picking a language... what I realized is that choosing a language isn't like choosing a car.  It's not I'm a Ford guy vs I'm a Chevy guy.  Many languages compliment each other.  Just look at bitshares... the wallet I believe is Javascript while the code is C++.  I also was doing some research on Reactjs vs Angularjs.  What I found out is that these are both used to write apps, but become much more powerful when used together.

I think when you say javascript is just for designing websites, you are thinking more html, css, and jquery (which is just a library for javascript).  I believe javascript can do just about anything when it comes to apps and devices, including storing user authentication data.

I don't think you can go wrong starting with javascript.  I think you are going to be able to do everything that you listed and probably more, especially if plasma turns out to be similar to what BM was talking about.  And once you learn it, you shouldn't have much trouble picking up on C++ later.

Metatrader4 with bitshares plugin

This is what we need... it will bring in more traders and more liquidity than almost any other proposal... throw in a lending market and were golden.

Update on this: I managed to stay focused for a few weeks, then it lost my interest, in classic failure fashion.

Blew another week or two playing civ iv. realized that I've played that game for a decade and am still terrible at it. learning programming can't be THAT much harder than this.

the way I see it, this could be a major bitter defeat that results in me giving for an even longer amount of time and making zero progress.

or I could get my ass up and back on the horse, analyze what went wrong, and try again.

here's what I think went wrong:

1) I picked the wrong kind of book. In my quest to find something comprehensive, i went a little overboard and picked a book completely dedicated to syntax. I think it would have made a much better reference book than something for a near-newbie to learn from.

2) I think I picked the wrong programming language. I need to be picking a tool based on what I want to do. And what I want to do, people use c++, so that should be the syntax I'm learning, even if it is a little tougher. as I was forcing myself to press on in that book I kept thinking "even after I learn python, I'm still another book on programming away from getting closer to what I really want to study." that allowed a discouraging feedback loop to fester.

So I'm reexamining the situation. I really want to make something of this so I'm researching new learning options. These ones oriented towards C++, and designed to be a TUTORIAL, not a reference. I'm going to choose carefully this time. I want something readable, that doesn't go into way too much detail, but still goes deep and teaches what I need to know.

If anybody gives a shit, I'll let you know what I decide.

I did a bunch of the paths in codecademy and realized that it is just a primer.  I needed to practice better as codecademy just has you fill in little snipits here and there.  It's great as an introduction but i needed something thorough and with more examples so that I could get my brain to actually comprehend and apply what I was reading.

I ended up going to Javascriptissexxy.com and following the learn javascript properly path.  So far so good as it combines codecademy, a text book, code school and some blog posts.  The course is broken down into 6 weeks of learning.  Best of all it's free other than buying the textbook for $30.

@merockstar I chose Javascript because BM said that plasma was going to be very friendly to people who know js... I thought I would get a jumpstart. 

Quote from: bytemaster on January 26, 2016, 11:01:51 pm

I confess to selling from ANGEL today to cover some expenses.   Unfortunately, I sold just prior to the big pump  

On the brighter side super33 appears to be out of BTS to sell.

how  many  bts that ags  fund  have ?  if  have  how to use this fund ,  it is belong  to  who ? ,according to ags donation commitment , it is belong to community, and now many community member do not satisfy with you
bm because you make big mistake that hurt bts (maybe it is not my view, it is just the views  i get from QQ group ) but this is not important. so do you  have right to use ags fund ?  i think  you  do not  have  right
i suggest  that you distory all bts of  ags fund  (if ags fund have bts). leave the last dignity

so i suggest  that  you dist

I think the AGS funds were spent long ago...

Just looking at this price action, you can tell that there are a ton of trapped longs just trying to get out around even... they are probably going to chase ethereum and get burned in the same way.  Hopefully those whales that sold have had their funds picked up by multiple smaller investors.  Lot's of small holders is much better than a few whales.

What is one business that can be built on BTS that isn't exchange related?

If there was one example then I think bts would be in a much better place... unfortunately there are none.  I've expressed my view that CNX should layout a potential business plan, and let the community all take a shot at it.  They know the capabilities of the blockchain the best and fostering some early development would see exponential returns later on.  It doesn't seem like CNX wants to demonstrate any of the capabilities of graphene.  Its code that we all hear is "revolutionary" but don't see any evidence of how it is "revolutionary".  Why would an outside dev even waste his time trying to learn the 12th most valuable crypto on cmc?

Right now BTS is a way to save money using a derivative based on a yahoo finance price feed... and it's illiquidity makes it unattractive to savers.  The costs (fee's and spreads) to get in are not doing to price any favors either.

The code (both the back-end and the UI) is a piece of art.
We are a Steve Wozniak.

Now we need to be patient till a Steve Jobs comes along and makes use of it.

Oh Brian Page

I know this wont be a popular comment.

I think you should switch to ethereum honestly .   Much easier for developers to learn and get up to speed on. 

There are very few developers with graphene knowledge except the ones you guys already know about.  What are the reasons to stay with graphene? 

Do you guys have a CTO or someone like it that can advise you?  Maybe ask @toast what he thinks about it.  I see him doing development on ethereum now.

Why would they switch now?  They wan't fast tps and graphene gives them that.  They are not trying to entice outside dev's to build apps and business's on the muse blockchain.