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Anyone? 

Did DNS tank by 50% today for no reason because we misunderstood the allocation?  Should it actually still be around 300 sat?

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The devs 80% was to be removed... didn't clarify that.

Oh,

HOLY FUCK THAT IS A BIG DEAL.

It means that our calculation that DNS should be like 75 satoshi right now...should actually be that DNS should be 300 some satoshi right now.



Ok I sold 80k BTSX and bought DNS with it at 150 sat. 

Either I misinterpreted Bytemaster and just lost a couple thousand dollars, or I was the first one to see him post this and just made a couple thousand dollars.

Information is a big deal!



Bytemaster can you please confirm:  The 3% allocation in BTS that is going to DNS holders is only going to those DNS shares that were already issued, and NOT to the billions of dev shares?

That means that we are only looking at about 1 billion DNS shares getting these new BTS, not 5 billion?

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General Discussion / Re: Will 3rd Party DACs honor PTS/AGS in the future?
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:13:49 pm »
I think they should honor 20% of the new BTS.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 09:53:17 pm »
DNS gets only 3% unfairly. VOTE didn't had a market cap so it would be hard to argue, but DNS was valued at 200 satoshis minimum and had ~$4M market cap.

But only $10K in liquidity.   

where do you take the $10K figure from? there was at least 50M volume in the drop alone on btc38 (CNY and BTC)

I think he got it from bter volume.

But btc38 is bigger htan bter and had more volume.

$100k worth of liquidity is more accurate than 10k I think.

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You are correct... so we can just make it 50 BTS per block which is *EVEN BETTER* ;)

This is a good amount.

It is lower than bitcoin inflation rate, for sure.  It seems that this is around an 8% inflation rate.

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In order to cap inflation at 10%, inflation would be 63 BTSX (out of 2 billion) per 10 seconds.
If measuring out of 2.5 billion post-merger BTS, it would be 79 BTS (out of 2.5 billion) per 10 seconds.

This would result in 10% inflation during the first year if the max payout occurred. 

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I take that back.. we should set it at 500 BTS per block max delegate pay.   Most delegates will be elected with 1% pay or less.

Can you explain that more?
Thanks!

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 08:31:22 pm »
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2 year vesting period... ie: you can withdraw early for a fraction of your cut.. if you want to sell after 6 months you get 25%... if you wait for a year you get 50%... etc. 

Is the vesting period for btsx, dns, Vote, AGS and PTS?

No vesting period on BTSX.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 07:33:57 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Liquid vs. Illiquid AGS
« on: October 21, 2014, 07:09:19 pm »
PTS allocation should have no lockout period, then it is fair.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 07:03:39 pm »
A thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/2jwdoo/pts_holders_shafted_new_proposal_gifts_liquidity/

I agree that we should not deny liquidity to PTS holders.  No lockout for PTS.

People had a choice between PTS and AGS.  PTS meant 'you have liquidity, but you get less shares".  AGS meant you had no liquidity, but got more.


PTS should be given no lockout period to be fair to this.

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At 2500 per block max, then the percentage of possible dilution declines over time, if supply grows.  (Just like in bitcoin).

It doesnt go exponentially increasing.  its only a linear increase.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 06:33:28 pm »
I calculate that DNS needs to be about 75 satoshis.  (Unless BTSX goes up).


You are correct.  I did it wrong, multiplying by .03 for DNS and .07 for PTS.  But I needed to multiply by .03/.80 and .07/.80, because BTSX is getting 80%.


New numbers:
DNS should be 95 satoshis (at BTSX 6300 sat).
PTS should be 6600 satoshis (at BTSX 6300 sat).


PTS is already there, and has been for the past day.
DNS drops a bit more.

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I suggest we set ours at 2,500 BTS per block as this is very close to what BTC is doing now.

I love this idea!  Yes!!!

Its like the block reward that everyone already understands, yet "we can use the money on useful things". 


It also protects against some bug or scam or something immediately diluting the entire 10% for the year at once!  It has to be spread out over time, so that if shareholders dont like it anymore (because they dont see value in the moneybeing spent), they can vote it down and stop more dilution from occuring.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 06:22:26 pm »
Well, if irational panic selling continue to drop the price, I'll be happy to buy and get a discount on BTS (taking into account I don't mind the vesting period)

If I understand correctly, even after 50% drop, you will still get more BTS by selling DNS for BTSX.

I calculate that DNS needs to be about 75 satoshis.  (Unless BTSX goes up).

PTS needs to be about 5000-5500 satoshis. 

If BTSX goes up these numbers go up the same percentage.

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