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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 见证人机制的重新设计
« on: August 04, 2020, 08:56:11 am »
外加现在DPOS见证人贿选的风气太浓厚...或明或暗...让人五味杂陈...一个想有所作为的见证人现在只有靠贿选大票仓一途来争取出块的机会...唉...
如果你给某会分红,却不给其他支持你的人分红,那这些支持你的人是二愣子?活雷锋?
如果你给某会分红,却不给其他支持你的人分红,那这些支持你的人是二愣子?活雷锋?
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They increased their debt some time after the announcement of BSIP76.
So blaming them to create or increase debt in BitUSD after BSIP76 is just wrong and making them responsible or hurting for this even more.
QuoteThey can't make a patch on BitShares for BitSharesMaybe he said is right,seems he own the trademark of “BitShares” and "BTS", if this is true, anyone can't change it.
The blockchain consensus is ultimately decided by the witnesses and what version they are running, and the voters have the indirect power over that by voting in witnesses that support whatever version they deem the correct one. It boils down to similar situation like the Steem does it's consensus upgrades now, I don't see yet how the trademark affects that.
Debt holders in bitusd will get rekkt with his actions.
They can't make a patch on BitShares for BitShares
锁喂价造成的是bitCNY的贬值,和抵押的BTS有毛关系。
你好狗狗。
当锁喂价之下,庞大的虚假投票权出现的时候怎么没有人来质疑共识?!这种虚假票权也是共识?
当随着价格上升抵押票权无限放大的时候,你们扪心自问谁能阻挡这种指数型放大的抵押票权?当他们想再次做作弊喂价的时候谁来维护那些真正bts持有者的利益?谁来维护bitasset持有者的利益?!
反正你喜欢啥就是啥,抵押的票权成了虚假票权,锁一下翻几倍倒是真实票权?
我承认抵押的票权会在态度上有偏见,我也不是不能接受取消抵押票权,但不齿的这种喜欢啥就是啥的态度。
Forgat to add as i already promoted DPOS1 for several months that i personly will support
vote decay and DPOS1 (one vote for one person only) both for witness and committee
But i don't support that non active members get a reward across from active members on bitshares dex as this is a clear paradox since we want active members on bitshares dex.
You just need to lock 1 bts in a "permanently locked state", then you will have a "permanently locked state"
最终决定点差 (或者说买卖盘口差价,spread) 的,是实际费率 + 做市商愿意承受的风险比例我不觉得这个等效,成交价还是挂单的位置,不存在后移。相反,盘口会有大量的挂单,有利于成交。一个很简单的规则就是把每次成交的market fee分一半给这次成交的maker。交易费分一半给maker,实际上等效于 maker 把单子往后移动一半同时交易费率减半。
看看yjl20170630这个ID,半个月来一次都没成交过还获得了不少奖励。当前这种规则根本不合理,不是为真正的maker准备的。
taker出的市场交易费还是一样,并没有减半,只是把交易费分成两份,一份交给系统,另外一份奖励给maker。
这样子系统是自带盈利的,公平的,应该不回有人出来反对说理事们从公共账号偷钱。
系统自带盈利,而且还鼓励了做市场,而且(无论是原理还是实现)还特别简单,何乐不为?
而且这种方式应该可以直接在区块链里实现吧。
收1%然后返0.5%,等于实际费率就是0.5% ,同样的市场竞争条件下,交易双方最终成交价格(到手价)是一样的。有返点的时候,做市商会把单子往前挂一点,导致盘口差价看起来小一点,但吃单手续费提高了,结果是一样的,只是数字游戏。
返点的功能从技术实现来说没有问题,问题是有没有必要做、花多少成本去做。
话说回来,控制支出小于收入当然可以盈利,但如果成交量达不到一定规模,只是百分比好看,意义并不大。比如日成交只有1万的时候,手续费10块,即使拿90%出来运营发奖,也只有9块,做不了什么事,对参与者没有多少吸引力。如果日成交一千万,手续费1万块,拿10%出来也有1千块了,多少还是有点吸引力的。所以这里有个矛盾,成交量越低的时候,越需要从别的地方拿钱来补贴运营、把成交量做大;当成交量大到一定程度,反而不需要补贴了,做市商靠盘口点差都能活的不错。
做市商都是靠手续费返点与盘口差活的,没有一个交易所会把自己的营收去补贴成交量低的交易对,导致最后严重入不敷出,除非脑子有坑,上一些优质热门项目,开发一些更有吸引力的合约杠杆期权借贷产品,吸引来的流量远比补贴一个镜花水月的成交对远远划算的多。
成交量低是交易所自身没有营销,信誉度不够,没有特色,并且自己不先做市场增加深度与流动性同时手续费返点吸引做市商,说得就是GDEX
很简单的逻辑,没有哪个交易所一开起来就成交量上天、有大把营收的。大如现在币安,94前都没几个人玩。每年死掉的交易所不知道多少。
如果看好这个业务,想把业务做起来,在有足够收入之前,必然是投资者出钱来培养市场,增收。问题在于业务怎么培养,怎么运营,钱怎么花。这个要做好,不光是要态度,还要能力。没有能力,钱花了事没做好也常见。
如果不看好这个业务,发现自己做不好,早点叫停。BM 4 年前就看到这个问题了。他不愿意把时间精力花在交易所运营上,所以才走了。详情论坛搜 why why why 。包括之前讨论的,把手续费分给 maker 的做法, BM 也是讨论过的。
再说 GDEX ,平心而论,刷交易量本身不是大问题,外面哪个交易所不刷量。我们发展交易所业务不就靠交易量赚钱吗。问题是拿了系统多少钱,给系统贡献了多少。 GDEX 的重心应该放在怎么创造交易量赚钱,而不是怎么靠系统补贴养着。在我看来,这主要是能力问题。
Any chance for a volunteer translator please?
The automatic translation sounds quite weird.
see my response here:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32546.msg343192#msg343192
4.1 Accounts that do not hold any amount in "permanently locked state" have a voting weight of zero
Quoteso why submit the voting for these 4 features immediately?
Because the voting results would be diffrent with the new voting system and the main reason
bitshares protocol has been completly broken.
Today the voting system and what will come tomorrow if you accept something like that ?
Who is going to hold money in a system where a single person can decide about everything and make your investment worthless with no information,voting or announcement ?
Also what has been done so something like that can't happen again ?
The new voting system is totaly immature and has some features which are dangerous.
Also in my opinion witnesses are not being forced but its basicly their duty to be the keeper that cheats in code can't be added into bitshares.They gurantee the security of bitshares.
To ensure a long-term outlook and “skin in the game”, only tokens locked in a long-term staking contract qualify for voting.
Few people will want to give up liquidity for 10 years so they will earn a higher relative yield and more power over the network. More people will be willing to give up liquidity for 3 months, so they will get a lower yield and less power.
锁仓对工会完全没有影响,工会也可以锁仓,票也是公平的,又不是针对公会,是大家都同样条件的。 这功能牛逼哄哄的,比减半币要牛逼得多了,永久的牛逼下去,要飞了。要飞,为了票,这下锁仓要打破头,要流血了,要牛逼了,要飞了。BTS要报复性上涨了,这次下车的人基本被甩下车了,后面的路一片美好,上涨空间无限。