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Quote from: sky on September 02, 2014, 07:53:11 pmwrong..even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official....and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint I guess you weren't around the forum when there were endless complaints about how long it was taking to get the product out. The nagging was intense.Because of this, the devs came up with the idea of releasing an MVP (minimum viable product) after many, many test chains seemed to show it would work. And it did, just no bitassets yet - which is a core feature that is now being introduced.If you find this work in progress intolerable, and it probably is to some user-types, then the best suggestion has already been made. Stay away for a few weeks and then come back with most of the bugs having been attended to so that your user experience will be much smoother.
wrong..even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official....and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint
Why feeding this troll? the guy is close minded just want a neg post. Bye today, will see you soon.
I started using Bitshares X ver 0.4.10 as a brand new user.Was positive and curious about this new entry on the market.Since that date I have had multiple bugs with the client, and nothing has improved.Constant re-installs, rescans, import of private keys and etc. - and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up. I have addressed this multiple times in the forum - just a few well-hearted responses - but no real help other than what I have been able to google and lookup in the whitepaper and wiki, which btw sometimes gives contradicting instructions..I also tried to enter as a delegate - managed to find out how to do it by googling and piece together the commands to do it..2 of my accounts are registered as Standby and I have tried multiple times to make them able to create blocks - both with the console command and from the account itself with the delegate feature. Created 2 accounts for delegation - entered both with 100% but they turned out to be 50% and 66% respectively.. Not able to increase this - only decrease apparently?After entering the command to have them create blocks and after voting for both - none of them shows up in the Standby delegates list..Forum is not much help, as noone seems to know how to solve these bugs, and the devs does not seem to answer the questions/queries even after many days.If you guys continue this path you will scare away potential customers and investors.A new client/currency MUST work when you disclose it to the public, otherwise it is doomed.I can't say this many times enough: Wait with release till it is ready - otherwise forget it!It is not sufficient that a group of devs and insiders knows how to run the client - if the masses, who you depend on, are struggling!
Quote from: sky on September 02, 2014, 09:20:47 pm@gameythere is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.At the time of release the last dry run was "stable" and there were no known bugs. Developers cannot catch all bugs on all platforms prior to launch. As a developer running a client every single day and performing transactions, market operations, etc with my client I have not experienced ANY crashes of my desktop GUI.I had many successful software company CEOs tell me "If you are not embarrassed at your first release, you waited too long". Many things that we are trying to test require money to be on the line (ie: how do you test market dynamics???) Bugs are temporary... and rapidly being fixed. Polish will come. So what is BTSX good for today? It is good for early adopters to use to get involved. It is good for developers to test integration. Sure you shouldn't be using it as your day-to-day crypto at this point in time. All of that said, I was pushing to hold off on launching. But with open source that isn't my call and DAC Sun thought it was ready. Over all I think they were right despite the bugs.
@gameythere is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.
.. and finally - I indeed have a positive view on the client - as on other clients, current and upcoming.critique must be taken if you go public
Fourth (i shouted that) please any one complaining and whining, STFU.
Many newcomers think they can become a delegate from the get go in reality they are wasting resources trying to register as one. I propose that option be removed from UI but still available in command line. Running a delegate from the UI has myriad of issues. Suggested method is a private Linux server running 24/7.
@gameythere is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.edit: even if the client will eventually turn stable - but that would be too late I'm afraid
Quote from: sky on September 02, 2014, 07:58:39 pm@gamey and others:You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..No I am not. There are questions of resources etc that are likely not even being considered here. Things are released all the time before they are fully ready. Beta and Alpha software is released all the time and often stays in Beta for years. Most people who complain tend to see the world in a very utopian manner. There are bugs, they suck. They don't see any worse to me than similar related software. Dan has a cool project, he has gotten good developers because of it. I assume it'll start evening out here shortly in big noticeable ways.
@gamey and others:You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..
I assume it'll start evening out here shortly in big noticeable ways.
Quote from: eagleeye on September 02, 2014, 08:18:09 pmQuote from: aloha on September 02, 2014, 08:13:31 pmQuoteLike you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.Hi eagleeye,Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?Its a person that goes from thread to thread, comment to comment, with prior past knowledge and experience and takes peoples orders (comments) and gives them what they want. All I ask in the end is maybe a tip. But only if this succeeds and not now. My job is to satisfy each and every client, whether they are rich, or poor, whether are developers, or side developers, or legal team, or just general users etc.Also I should have said Digital Waiter.You are funny guy . I would like to tip you with BTSX just need registered account name.
Quote from: aloha on September 02, 2014, 08:13:31 pmQuoteLike you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.Hi eagleeye,Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?Its a person that goes from thread to thread, comment to comment, with prior past knowledge and experience and takes peoples orders (comments) and gives them what they want. All I ask in the end is maybe a tip. But only if this succeeds and not now. My job is to satisfy each and every client, whether they are rich, or poor, whether are developers, or side developers, or legal team, or just general users etc.Also I should have said Digital Waiter.
QuoteLike you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.Hi eagleeye,Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?
Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
Quote from: sky on September 02, 2014, 07:35:41 pmand still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping upFor this specific issue, I ran into it myself and noticed that for whatever reason transaction scanning was disabled.Issuing the command "wallet_set_transaction_scanning true" in the console enables it. After that, run "rescan".
and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up
@onceuponatime:Indeed I will stay away - but that is not because some here in this thread advice so - that is my intention anyway. The devs should not have given in to group pressure, stand strong in your own belief, produce your thing, release it when you feel good and ready about it - if it is revolutionary it will succeed however long time it takes to be ready. Good luck - and Gods speed
@shentist:I understand patriotism very well and it is a positive thing.But I for one did not follow BTSX via this or other foras - I stumbled over it via the iNet by chance and this is why I say that even if it is an alpha version it was still available to the masses/public.If it was meant for a closed test group it should have remained as such.
0.4.10you are using alpha software - so bugs are common.a run 2 windows 7 64it computer and so far all releases worked without bigger problems. maybe just wait a couple of weeks or month and come back. this is work in progress