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Quote from: Riverhead on January 31, 2016, 02:56:11 pmJust curious if the btc was returned to bter? I have about 27 btc-b I'm waiting on and this certainly doesn't help.In fact, return BTC is not correct, because the trade ( sell BTS for BTC) had happend already, and the trade is real.he need to return back the fake BTSit means if he have sold 1million fake BTS, he need return back 1 million real BTS to bter.because due to the trade, BTER's balance of BTC is correct, but the balance of BTS is not correct.
Just curious if the btc was returned to bter? I have about 27 btc-b I'm waiting on and this certainly doesn't help.
Quote from: BunkerChain Labs on January 31, 2016, 01:58:54 pmQuote from: jakub on January 31, 2016, 10:07:01 amQuote from: JonnyBitcoin on January 28, 2016, 04:46:29 pmPlease vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares. I think we need to be careful what we wish for.It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.At least I would do that if I were him.There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.We need to be prepared for this.He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk. Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not. Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.If that is really true that only proves he doesn't care about BitShares at all from my pov. It also means BitShares will be hostage of his whims at any point in time.I would like if we could reach a consensus where everyone gives in a little but the overall outcome is the best for both parties. However I don't like the "This is either going to be like I want or screw you approach". Assuming this is resolved, nothing guarantees us that in the future something similar won't happen and everyone will be at the mercy of his whims.But in the end, it's the votes that count. If he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right so can't argue about that. Either both parties try to reach an agreement or in the end someone will have to leave or adapt.The only thing we can take for sure is voting decides everything. Even though my personal opinion is against bitcrab's atm, in the end, if he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right and the majority will move on. Only the minority will be "damaged", but the majority of stakeholders will move on. That's what I like about BitShares. This can be very polemic but a vote is a vote. In the end it's what decides.Everyone claims he is destroying BitShares but if he wins, does that really mean that? Or does it mean that a minority has a different view from the majority of the stakeholders? Majority holds the decision power. Whatever the outcome is, it will be the grand part of players choosing that option so that only means the other party was wrong. The fact we don't agree doesn't necessarily mean he is going to destroy BitShares. He is going to "damage" the minor part of BitShares while the majority will simply move on like things are supposed to be.In an ultimate analysis, the one who looses is the weakest link. The other is the strongest and will move on, rightfully.
Quote from: jakub on January 31, 2016, 10:07:01 amQuote from: JonnyBitcoin on January 28, 2016, 04:46:29 pmPlease vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares. I think we need to be careful what we wish for.It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.At least I would do that if I were him.There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.We need to be prepared for this.He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk. Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not. Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.
Quote from: JonnyBitcoin on January 28, 2016, 04:46:29 pmPlease vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares. I think we need to be careful what we wish for.It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.At least I would do that if I were him.There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.We need to be prepared for this.
Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
Quote from: mindphlux on January 31, 2016, 10:19:22 amNothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.But you fucked up twice.Once when you made (or attempted to make) a dishonest profit. And it happened for the second time, just a moment ago: when you said you did not get any BTC out it but alt just proved you did.You got your second chance but you just blew it away.
Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.
I don't see how any of this will result in a fork. We are still in the phase of discussion and solution finding.It helps no one to separated the network into two even more illliquid networks and splitting user bases. It wouldn't even make sense for bitcrab. At least I would like to see an ACTUAL PROPOSAL being voted on, then shareholders can voice their opinion by casting an indirect vote.Furthermore, not every possibility has been discussed.One way to resolve this in the short term (until we have figured out BSIP#10) is to require LTM for some more operations, currently only witness, committe_create and account create requite LTM. How about we require LTM for asset creation aswell?IMHO, this discussion is neither going towards civil war nor will it end bitshares' referral program. It's just a matter of moving focus for revenue
oh, who said this?Quote (mindphlux), [28.01.16 15:45]I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares
(mindphlux), [28.01.16 15:45]I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares
shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcraband you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph
I do not think lower fees will magically solve the problems that we're having. The referral program needs to stay intact in order to attract marketeers and users.How do you earn new users when there's no incentive?
This. bitcrab is using exchange funds to get people with his 'agenda' voted into the committee and is now staging to do a hostile takeover. Not to mention that the committee was mislead by him once already, I really hope that users wake up and remove bad actors like him for the stability of the network. This is not good.
I think you're abusing your power here in this case.The users of your exchange have not authorized you to vote with THEIR stake.
@mindphlux , and how do you explain this?
shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcraband you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraphQuote(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27][In reply to (mindphlux)]really?(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]yes(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27][In reply to (mindphlux)]snapshot please with the transaction proof(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]wait(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]dumping the market(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]done(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]I could sell maybe another 100k(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]Got 4.27BTC out of itBhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]OmgSpartako, [13.10.15 21:30]wow!(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]seeing if I can deposit moredele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]slowly don't crash their market(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]yesBhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]Are u on 9.2?(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]yes I am(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]submitted(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]to my BTC address(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]arrived!(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]woohoo
(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27][In reply to (mindphlux)]really?(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]yes(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27][In reply to (mindphlux)]snapshot please with the transaction proof(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]wait(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]dumping the market(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]done(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]I could sell maybe another 100k(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]Got 4.27BTC out of itBhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]OmgSpartako, [13.10.15 21:30]wow!(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]seeing if I can deposit moredele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]slowly don't crash their market(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]yesBhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]Are u on 9.2?(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]yes I am(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]submitted(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]to my BTC address(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]arrived!(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]woohoo
However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place.
(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]submitted(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]to my BTC address(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]arrived!(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]woohoo
Quote from: jakub on January 30, 2016, 03:06:25 pmUnless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?It was a matter of bad judgement on my part, possibly guided by greed at the time. I dearly regret this as I didn't think this through. However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place. Having said that, I find it worrying that some people try to use this screencap against me, trying to discredit me because I voice my opinion very loudly against bitcrab's plans to give them an advantage in voting numbers.This is no longer a neutral fee discussion, this is a flame campaign where the camps are trying to discredit the other camp, I think BitShares is close to civil war here in this case - Bitcrab has bought half of the committee with the votes of an exchange and doing all he can to destroy the referral program and thus destroying BitShares, even if he's not aware of it. At 1-5 BTS levels, shareholders that disagree with this change have no reason to stay with BitShares, they might as well fork the entire project and continue without the 'chinese dictatorship' - see my point here? Civil war is near.I don't expect anyone to forgive me what I attempted, but I think I've shown clearly my dedication to BitShares in the past, as a witness and committee member, e.g the first worker proposal ever or the first community driven committee proposal too. I will continue to serve BitShares as much as I can, trying to defend it from people who want to cause harm.
Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?
Quote from: Samupaha on January 30, 2016, 06:25:08 pmBitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.interesting.I am open to any ideas, just today I raise a "3 modes" solution and try to reach a consensus with other groups. yes, I dear to say no to anyone, I always state things directly, I insist my belief, I am a fighter, not a sweet gentleman. I suggest you spend time on giving convictive ideas, not on doing personal attack. because the latter make no use.
Bitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.
Quote from: mint chocolate chip on January 29, 2016, 11:30:37 amThat was dumping worthless BTS1 after the upgrade to BTS2 on the exchange that did not upgrade, he admittedly took advantage of that situation it looks like.I was not aware of that.In that case, I understand and share your concerns. He shouldn't have done it and saying "If I don't do it, somebody else will" is a very bad excuse.Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?If you didn't, I'm going to withdraw my support for your witness and ask other proxies to do the same.
That was dumping worthless BTS1 after the upgrade to BTS2 on the exchange that did not upgrade, he admittedly took advantage of that situation it looks like.
Integrity is vital to a commitee member. Taking any action that takes advantage of advanced knowledge and position for profit demonstrates complete unsuitability for the role. Any committie memeber prooven to lack integrity must be removed.I would take bitcrab's sincere efforts to improve the BitShares network.....along with the challenge of discussion in reaching a positive outcome for all......over a politician any day of the week. Jonny, do you still feel OP is fair to Bitcrab? I think he's demonstarted a willingness to show he's a person and to search for a compromise.
Quote from: jakub on January 29, 2016, 11:18:35 amQuote from: sudo on January 29, 2016, 05:10:51 amis that mindphlux????? dump bts???????????Having a stake in BitShares is not a pre-condition of being a committee member.For me, @mindphlux can dump his BTS all day long or do whatever he wants with them, and I'm fine with that, as long as he makes good decisions as a committee member.(Insider trading is not really possible so it's just pure speculative trading on his part.)But if his dumping is associated with spreading bad PR for BitShares, then it's a different story.Exactly. Dump just means sell and everyone including the committee is entitled to do what they like. It's called the free market.
Quote from: sudo on January 29, 2016, 05:10:51 amis that mindphlux????? dump bts???????????Having a stake in BitShares is not a pre-condition of being a committee member.For me, @mindphlux can dump his BTS all day long or do whatever he wants with them, and I'm fine with that, as long as he makes good decisions as a committee member.(Insider trading is not really possible so it's just pure speculative trading on his part.)But if his dumping is associated with spreading bad PR for BitShares, then it's a different story.
is that mindphlux????? dump bts???????????
Quote from: fav on January 28, 2016, 04:59:04 pmdele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrabthis mindphlux?Quote from: liondani on October 17, 2015, 01:31:57 amlook what they are posting on poloniex trollbox!londonwhale: mindphlux, is dumping: http://imgur.com/du63Pkl
dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab
look what they are posting on poloniex trollbox!londonwhale: mindphlux, is dumping: http://imgur.com/du63Pkl
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Quote from: fav on January 28, 2016, 04:59:04 pmdele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrabthis mindphlux?the one that tried to cause a blackswan during the critical and fragile low liquidity migration day?image deleted upon request //doxxing -favwoah....poor little PengQuote from: liondani on October 17, 2015, 01:31:57 amlook what they are posting on poloniex trollbox!londonwhale: mindphlux, is dumping: http://imgur.com/du63Pklvery interestingand fav, aren't you the one who just sent the co-founder of both BTS and Quarter Billion Dollar Etrhereum packing?Quote from: fav on January 16, 2016, 05:17:30 pmQuote from: IOHKCharles on January 16, 2016, 05:13:28 pmSo you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore. interesting interesting....the drama continueswill BitShares re-wrest control from the global liquidity leader of BTS trading?stay tuned for another exciting edition of....
Quote from: IOHKCharles on January 16, 2016, 05:13:28 pmSo you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore.
So you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore.
Quote from: fav on January 28, 2016, 04:59:04 pmdele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcraband fav, aren't you the one who just snt the co-founder of both BTS and Quarter Billion Dollar Etrhereum packing?Quote from: fav on January 16, 2016, 05:17:30 pmQuote from: IOHKCharles on January 16, 2016, 05:13:28 pmSo you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore.
yes, but with how much stake?Quote from: mindphlux on January 28, 2016, 04:52:07 pmIf you haven't voted before, vote for the committee members that oppose a fee change to 1BTS or similiar.and who exactly would those be?
If you haven't voted before, vote for the committee members that oppose a fee change to 1BTS or similiar.
Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares. He has too much power, and is getting use of an exchanges votes. He previously bullied the committee in to suspending forced settlement because he'd done his own maths wrong. He is very pushy and I think he needs less votes.