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Quote from: pgbit on December 22, 2014, 11:08:37 pmCurrent status for OIL feeds:Market inactive: Insufficient number of active feedsASSET INFOAsset ID: 5Issuer account: MARKETAsset Symbol: OILFull Name: Light Sweet Crude OilPrecision:10,000Registration Date:Jul 19, 2014 3:18:40 AM1 barrel light sweet crude oilSource: http://bitsharesblocks.com/assets/asset?id=OILDoes that include standby delegates?
Current status for OIL feeds:Market inactive: Insufficient number of active feedsASSET INFOAsset ID: 5Issuer account: MARKETAsset Symbol: OILFull Name: Light Sweet Crude OilPrecision:10,000Registration Date:Jul 19, 2014 3:18:40 AM1 barrel light sweet crude oilSource: http://bitsharesblocks.com/assets/asset?id=OIL
There are 2 feeds up for this at the moment. Any delegates looking into developing more feeds for oil?
What about this? Is it only historical or contemporaneous?https://www.quandl.com/resources/api-for-commodity-data
IG directed me to check out Nadex as their service is UK only. I spoke with one of the reps at Nadex and you can get access to the market data API for a one time fee of $500, but you also have to apply and associate your identity with them. Not sure if that would work so well for anonymous delegates but it could be one possible source of OIL feeds for public delegates. Of course as the regulatory waters are murky, this could also have some implication w.r.t. the CFTC saying they can regulate crypto derivatives.
Quote from: xeroc on December 12, 2014, 02:55:41 amyhea ... as they "apparently" also did for bitUSD It just depends who gets themselves publicly known by them first, to me BitAssets, imply decentralisation and we'll probably still hold the small crypto market, but our lack of marketing & not opening up BitOil/Silver and pushing BitGold may cost us the BitAsset brand in a few months as customers will be too confused between the two.Quote from: Empirical1.1 on December 03, 2014, 02:43:35 amCould be a good BitAsset to start now. Let's not miss the OIL bus opportunity like these guys... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLB-uMPj27s
yhea ... as they "apparently" also did for bitUSD
Could be a good BitAsset to start now. Let's not miss the OIL bus opportunity like these guys... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLB-uMPj27s
Wouldn't a 15-min delayed feed be better than no feed?The median internal delegate feed for other assets lags a bit anyway, so an extra 15-min delay would not cause that much additional front-running opportunity.
Quote from: hpenvy on December 12, 2014, 02:44:59 amhttp://newsbtc.com/2014/12/11/bitcoin-oil-new-digital-power-couple/Apparently they've 'trademarked' BitOilhttp://www.forexminute.com/commodities-news/bitreserve-transforms-oil-spendable-currency-51706Quote “For the first time in history, oil will become a form of payment and compete against all major global fiat currencies.”
http://newsbtc.com/2014/12/11/bitcoin-oil-new-digital-power-couple/
“For the first time in history, oil will become a form of payment and compete against all major global fiat currencies.”
Quote from: xeroc on December 14, 2014, 10:55:13 pmgood start ... though we still should have at least 2 more sources for a price for OIL ..Agreed, unfortunately it would seem most of the feeds cost money. I haven't been able to find any freebies. Maybe we could have the DAC subsidize the cost of OIL feeds by allowing 3% delegates to re-register a new 4% delegate, and use the extra 1% to pay for the OIL feed. The problem with that however, is that standby delegates would need to eat the cost of an OIL feed. Maybe we need a specific 100% OIL delegate to transparently pay the other delegates OIL feed prices and also cover the top 50 in standby or something? Not sure the best way to tackle that.Edit: it would be nice if we could work with quandl and maybe some other sites to give us some kind of bulk buy "delegate" deal on feeds. Unforunately quandl themselves don't have any real time OIL feeds according to the founder:Quote from: robrigoIs there any real time oil feeds for Brent or WTI? I am involved with a distributed exchange called bitshares and we could really use the data to make oil derivatives happen. Thanks!QuoteRobert:Sorry to say, but no real time feeds yet.--Tammer KamelFounder & CEOconnect@quandl.com
good start ... though we still should have at least 2 more sources for a price for OIL ..
Is there any real time oil feeds for Brent or WTI? I am involved with a distributed exchange called bitshares and we could really use the data to make oil derivatives happen. Thanks!
Robert:Sorry to say, but no real time feeds yet.--Tammer KamelFounder & CEOconnect@quandl.com
Can anyone tell if this is the spot/cash price, or a 1 day future, or something else?http://www.ig.com/uk/ig-commodities/us-light-crudeThey have a free feed.
How do I activate data feeds on my account?To activate data feeds:1. Log into the trading platform and select My Account2. Select Data Feeds3. Select the relevant data feed then click Add Data FeedsIf you are activating the NYSE or AMEX exchange feed, you will need to complete the exchange agreement form via the Data Feeds section.Data feeds on CFD accountsAdding data feeds allows you to see additional price feeds and volume data for shares. There is a monthly cost for adding a data feed, but we rebate the cost if you place a minimum number of trades per month on that particular exchange.The Data Feeds section in My Account lists each available exchange, along with the cost of access per month. The Activity column shows the number of trades required to receive a rebate on the cost.Please note: any new exchange feed you activate will be charged to your account immediately for the current calendar month, and you’ll receive the rebate at the end of the month (if applicable). If you plan to take a break from trading in an oncoming month we recommend that you deactivate your data feeds before the end of the current month to avoid being charged.The levels of access available are:· No fee: In some cases, we are able to provide free data feeds from alternative exchanges. There is no cost for this access, but it may be delayed by 15 minutes.· Level 1: This will enable a live price feed but it won’t provide volume data for all stocks (such as small-cap stocks)· Level 2: This will provide a live price, along with volume data from the exchange where applicable. Level 2 access is required to view volume data on our charts, or the orderbook on PureDMA and L2 Dealer.Data feeds on spread betting accountsAll markets are already enabled, with the exception of Australian and Canadian shares (which can be enabled in the Data Feeds section in My Account).
(Edit: That's not 'the worst they can do' I referred to earlier.)
Quote from: Empirical1.1 on December 13, 2014, 06:00:53 pmI see BitReserve are going to be in attendance at the Beunos Aries meet up.Quote from: ElMato on December 10, 2014, 10:22:14 pmI've been talking with Juan Llanos from BitReserve and it seems he is attending tomorrow, lets see what it turns outMeanwhile our official marketing team never even acknowledged that market.BitReserve do really do get to be a fox in the BitShares henhouse. Challenging the BitAsset brand (which we've had a year to cement), key markets and there's worse they can do too, but I won't mention it, they've already potentially taken the BitOil idea from this thread.While I doubt they got the idea from the thread, you bring up a valid point about BitAsset branding. You don't need a polished wallet to start introducing the brand into the market. Oh well, that window is gone. Now we need to take a different approach to an awareness campaign.
I see BitReserve are going to be in attendance at the Beunos Aries meet up.Quote from: ElMato on December 10, 2014, 10:22:14 pmI've been talking with Juan Llanos from BitReserve and it seems he is attending tomorrow, lets see what it turns outMeanwhile our official marketing team never even acknowledged that market.BitReserve do really do get to be a fox in the BitShares henhouse. Challenging the BitAsset brand (which we've had a year to cement), key markets and there's worse they can do too, but I won't mention it, they've already potentially taken the BitOil idea from this thread.
I've been talking with Juan Llanos from BitReserve and it seems he is attending tomorrow, lets see what it turns out
Quote from: wasthatawolf on December 11, 2014, 04:10:55 pmQuote from: xeroc on December 11, 2014, 02:36:39 pmCounterparty risk vs. risk for systematic failure its the taks of the investor to pick a side Not only the investor, but also (and more importantly), the user.One thing I've had trouble reconciling in regard to Bitshares and other decentralized tech is the lack of real Customer Support for the everyday user. It might seem trivial but if you tell potential users that there is no single entity to call or email if they have issues; that's a major turn off. Customer support will need to be provided by the services utilizing Bitshares and until they are up and running (online wallet providers, gateways, etc.) I think it's very dangerous to market Bitshares to anyone with a limited understanding of decentralized tech.Yeah the user experience with bitshares is a major issue imo. The majority of users do not want to have to learn anything new. It really has to be made simple and beautiful and idiot proof.
Quote from: xeroc on December 11, 2014, 02:36:39 pmCounterparty risk vs. risk for systematic failure its the taks of the investor to pick a side Not only the investor, but also (and more importantly), the user.One thing I've had trouble reconciling in regard to Bitshares and other decentralized tech is the lack of real Customer Support for the everyday user. It might seem trivial but if you tell potential users that there is no single entity to call or email if they have issues; that's a major turn off. Customer support will need to be provided by the services utilizing Bitshares and until they are up and running (online wallet providers, gateways, etc.) I think it's very dangerous to market Bitshares to anyone with a limited understanding of decentralized tech.
Counterparty risk vs. risk for systematic failure its the taks of the investor to pick a side
... you do not have this continuously uncertainty about how your government is going to fuck up again.
Guys...I am from Greece and we hear scenarios of a new Grexit again, possibilities of people to lose their bank deposits, bank runs etc etc.. I just hope that we release as soon as possible a version 1 with increased security measures, that even an idiot like me can feel safe that his funds won't disappear the next day from a hacker and then you will see how many Greeks are going to buy biteuros and forget about depositing money to any kind of centralized exchange or bank. Most of you do not know the true power of bitshares because you do not have this continuously uncertainty about how your government is going to fuck up again.
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Quote from: mf-tzo on December 11, 2014, 01:53:29 pmQuoteAt this point in time, I'm not confident that Bitshares is any more trustworthy or secure than Bitreserve. How come? In bitshares you know that your bitusd will be there unless you get hacked, or if there is a serious bank run (not likely) and BTS falls massively below $2 mil market cap correct?In bitserve, the company can claim that for some reason (hack, steal, government shutdown etc..) they lost all the funds they bankrupt and then your bitusd are lost.. So which one has the most risk again??Bitshares has the most risk, honestly. But it also has by far the most potential. Of course we should never say this outside of this forum, everywhere else we need to point out the SPOF risk of bitreserve and the decentralization of bitshares. Business is business.
QuoteAt this point in time, I'm not confident that Bitshares is any more trustworthy or secure than Bitreserve. How come? In bitshares you know that your bitusd will be there unless you get hacked, or if there is a serious bank run (not likely) and BTS falls massively below $2 mil market cap correct?In bitserve, the company can claim that for some reason (hack, steal, government shutdown etc..) they lost all the funds they bankrupt and then your bitusd are lost.. So which one has the most risk again??
At this point in time, I'm not confident that Bitshares is any more trustworthy or secure than Bitreserve.
wow...I wasn't aware of bitreserve...Although I would never trust my money and have this centralized counterparty risk
QuoteI wonder if they came up with that, before or after this thread. Lol...Dejavu.. This will not be the first time we discuss things and ideas here and someone else copying us before we implement them...
I wonder if they came up with that, before or after this thread.
Relevanthttp://cointelegraph.com/news/113085/bitreserve-wants-you-to-hold-and-spend-oil
wow...I wasn't aware of bitreserve...Although I would never trust my money and have this centralized counterparty risk I think the way the have their "cards", the site, their presentations etc appear quite appealing...Maybe our marketing team can learn a couple of things from them..I am not sure people realize how powerful is to have our money secured on a dentralized bank like bitshares vs. anything else out there and we need to do more to show this value to other people...So let's get start bitoil please and let's pump the shit out of BTS to the moon soon and get the 2nd place before we are too late and the centralized companies beat us...
It would have been better to use WTI or Brent for these assets in my opinion, probably easier to find price data and more international.
bump, let's get oil trading
I guess the feed script needs updating, since there are currently only two feeds for OIL and at least 60 delegates providing feeds in general?
We could be sitting on an OIL well
There was some discussion of making bitGOLD stronger to help market bitAssets. And yet only way to make it stronger seems to be to market bitGOLD. Somewhat same issue with bitOIL and all the rest.
It's not WTI @ yahoohttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=wtiQuoteBusiness SummaryW&T Offshore, Inc., an independent oil and natural gas producer, together with its subsidiaries, is engaged in the acquisition, exploration, and development of oil and natural gas properties primarily in the Gulf of Mexico and Texas.What about this one:http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/light-sweet-crude-oil.html//edit: na .. theses are futures
Business SummaryW&T Offshore, Inc., an independent oil and natural gas producer, together with its subsidiaries, is engaged in the acquisition, exploration, and development of oil and natural gas properties primarily in the Gulf of Mexico and Texas.
Quote from: Riverhead on December 03, 2014, 04:10:11 amQuote from: skyscraperfarms on December 02, 2014, 11:04:32 pmOIL is plunging to areas it hasn't been in awhile. I would like to get in on this action with my BTS.Can we get a good feed. Oil is probably the most volatile asset we have and we will need possibility a mandatory limited number of feed updates per day for it to be serious.You're the only one pushing a feed for Oil. Can you share your source so it can be rolled into the feed scripts?https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7787.msg157659#msg157659I manually did it by visiting the CME's quotes site. Hoping to spark a trend.I am not very technical, but I wonder if this would work as I couldn't find any API pushing oil prices:ThinkorSwims platform allows DDE to excel in real time quotes. I think you would only need to write a pyhon script that grabs the quote from the designated cell in excel and then bam, you have a real time feed. I have no idea how to write a python script for that, but it seems plausible. Right?
Quote from: skyscraperfarms on December 02, 2014, 11:04:32 pmOIL is plunging to areas it hasn't been in awhile. I would like to get in on this action with my BTS.Can we get a good feed. Oil is probably the most volatile asset we have and we will need possibility a mandatory limited number of feed updates per day for it to be serious.You're the only one pushing a feed for Oil. Can you share your source so it can be rolled into the feed scripts?https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7787.msg157659#msg157659
OIL is plunging to areas it hasn't been in awhile. I would like to get in on this action with my BTS.Can we get a good feed. Oil is probably the most volatile asset we have and we will need possibility a mandatory limited number of feed updates per day for it to be serious.