People passionate about btsx are going to like other people passionate about btsx. Rune put out a lot of positive talk. Lots of people, especially young people, or technical people have little experience with these types will just take it at face value. Methodx has put a lot of effort to come up with ideas and put little effort trying to befriend everyone. Not trusting him is fine, but I would not just throw his name out there. Methodx never claimed he knew Rune or vouched for him, he just said he liked the guy. (or something like that) Lots of people like Rune, it is just that Rune didn't name drop them... so it isn't fair to methodx.
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.+5%
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.+5%
Maybe I made my personal position no clear yet .. but I am all for having a group of people behind a SINGLE delegate .. What I am against is a set of delegates that are conspiring in a secret group
Xeroc. I never intended to come across as frustrared with you (or you either, C). I know for a fact, though, you were there for the second time I met with him (after the last hangout). I am simply saying you guys sometimes confuse niceness and charm with trustworthiness. The bigger this gets, the more eloquent will be the players....You are probably right about this .. Most of the time I am to naive about most things ..
This is a rule, not an exception. Those who do not see it are putting everyone at risk by making dissent of such tactics "unpopular".
Drama? Or someones genuine concern over someone telling him to quit his job, join a secret alliance of big stake holders and close the open forum he built to protect this community?
Call it what you wish, it still doesnt change facts...
Of course if you guys would have preferred I join this alliance or keep quiet while Rune continues to make attempts to gain trust in the community while openly telling me of his intentions...then so be it.
Also as a note to the arms length relationships...this his not how you build a viral network effect. It requires something deeper.
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.I also think we should be careful about judging people's intent too quickly. Sometimes there can be misunderstandings or disagreements about ideas that seem to turn personal.
Drama? Or someones genuine concern over someone telling him to quit his job, join a secret alliance of big stake holders and close the open forum he built to protect this community?
Call it what you wish, it still doesnt change facts...
Of course if you guys would have preferred I join this alliance or keep quiet while Rune continues to make attempts to gain trust in the community while openly telling me of his intentions...then so be it.
Also as a note to the arms length relationships...this his not how you build a viral network effect. It requires something deeper.
By Drama I mean all that you related, not that you are making things needlessly dramatic. :)
By and large though it just reinforces in me my non-trust of virtually everyone. I try not to base relationships on high-levels of trust. I really only have different levels of non-trust, be it my own family or the pet dog. In fact, anytime some asks me to trust them, I immediately put up my guard because they seem to want me to lower it...for some reason.
By arms length I just mean, matter of fact...based on facts and knowledge of each persons actions and interests. Not based on "trust". As a result, I try to avoid asking anyone to trust me.
By and large though it just reinforces in me my non-trust of virtually everyone....thank you for making me laugh Galt. People can be trusted, but we have to make them prove themselves. And by proving themselves...I do not mean pouring honey in our ears.
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.I also think we should be careful about judging people's intent too quickly. Sometimes there can be misunderstandings or disagreements about ideas that seem to turn personal.
I've never talked to Rune and haven't followed all his posts but his posts didn't jump out as malicious to me. That being said, I can understand others may have experiences & info I don't so it is fine to share.
Now lets just say for a moment that this hypothetical guy goes into the Mumble server and tells the Community Event Organizer (CEO)(Not Community Manager) that he is going to be the "Most Powerful Person in Bitshares". Let's also say that he tells the CEO that he needs to quit his day job and work full time, run a delegate and get it into power. Then let's say he asks this CEO to speak privately with him after a Mumble Hangout...where he tells the "CEO" of his plans to advocate complete transparency of funds for everyone's accounts under the pretext of honesty and transparency (so he can identify the largest account holders). Now let's imagine this person saying "I know you aren't going to like this fuzz, but we need to get a group of people in charge of the largest BitShares accounts and form a power block" with them. We will all have to have secret meetings....
Secret...meetings.... but I digress...
Regarding the insider club, you're right that it's a bad thing, but consider that right now the insider club is I3 with no transparency at all. I would prefer to have absolute transparency with nothing being hidden from anyone with no barriers to entry whatsoever, and I hope we can implement that once we have achieved significant network effect. Right now it seems that I3 employees thinks it is vital to keep a lot of information secret to avoid having it stolen by competitors. I trust their judgement in this regard, even if I don't like it, and that is why I proposed the "secret insider club" of large stakeholders to be able to share this sensitive information, so that there at least are people independent from the developers who are able to hear it and report their sentiments to the broader community.
I guess delegates could also be used for this regard, but I suspect that delegates will devolve into politics and we would then be stuck with this secret insider club political elite that I think could go really bad.
My work helping organize community discussions, however, will continue because I am certain that there needs to be a historical record of the events that take place here.Inspiring post! +5%
Think Bigger Pinky. This is not just crypto"currency"---it is a movement. THIS IS GALTS GULCH!
People will do well to remind themselves the factors that brought them here and the corruption that created such a huge vaccuum that so many flocked to crypto in the first place. We have a chance to set the world right. Let's not let virtual tokens get in the way of what really matters...our "slightly less than arms-length" relationships :P
Secret...meetings.... but I digress...
Also I own around 10 million BTS that I got from running my business and investing everything into bitcoin before the bubbles. That's all I have, so it's nowhere near "thousands" of BTC.
Secret...meetings.... but I digress...
Secret meetings are happening continuously and involve practically everyone nowadays. They are normal.
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.
Secret meetings should be outlawed in a Decentralized Autonomous Community. :)
Rune found BitShares through the AMA I did in /r/BitcoinMarkets. I don't think his intentions are bad. He strikes me as being genuinely passionate about this technology and wants to see it reach its potential. Until I see otherwise, I support him.I am not complaining about his intentions .. I a complaining about his behavior against members of the community .. it doesn't have anything to do with crypto in general .. I just cannot tolerate parts of his actions!
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.I also think we should be careful about judging people's intent too quickly. Sometimes there can be misunderstandings or disagreements about ideas that seem to turn personal.
I've never talked to Rune and haven't followed all his posts but his posts didn't jump out as malicious to me. That being said, I can understand others may have experiences & info I don't so it is fine to share.
So at first I was a bit disheartened that I seem to give off a super creepy/dishonest vibe to everyone I interact with here... But at least I'm getting lots of attention!
I think we are all upset by the price drop of BTS, and as a result we are getting angry with each other.
Lets all not take too personally things that we said to each other today, given that we are actually just venting frustrations about the share price.
QuoteSecret meetings should be outlawed in a Decentralized Autonomous Community. :)
I principally agree, but it would be impossible to enforce. Personal communication can and should be 100% private, but professional communication should preferably be as transparent and non-secret as possible (with the option of the delegates to remain pseudonomous I don't think it would be privacy invasion).
The next best thing, IMO, is to at least have a social consensus of 1 delegate = 1 human. Then it will be possible to detect if there is secret communication between delegates that e.g. are working together on the same project, because it should be easiest for them to communicate in the DAC framework that they are both active members of (if we observe collaboration but no such communication, then we can assume they are secretly communicating).
Again, obviously secret communication can never be prevented, but large secret power/trust structures can be made much more difficult to construct.
Rune found BitShares through the AMA I did in /r/BitcoinMarkets. I don't think his intentions are bad. He strikes me as being genuinely passionate about this technology and wants to see it reach its potential. Until I see otherwise, I support him.
However, if each delegate has multiple participants, it is FAR more difficult to get all of them to secretly collude. It is also FAR more difficult a task for the "Community Manager" to control them. This situation actually happened. And in case the quotation marks around every instance of the word "hypothetical" failed to denote my sarcasm...This was NOT a hypothetical situation--it actually happened.
I have said it once in this thread: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10344.msg141609#msg141609
I am sorry Ghensto. I let you down. I am not an infiltrator...I am a person with an honest heart who is terrified at what humanity is capable of when "profit" is on the line. I have attempted to do as you said, even sent emails to both of these hypothetical figures telling them they could be on the Beyond Bitcoin Delegate slate so I could gain more money--to use as a tool to fight these people...but I can't do it. I have to do what is in my heart...and that is what I have always done, be it popular or unpopular.
Let the f'ing "politics" begin. :(
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.+5%
Maybe I made my personal position no clear yet .. but I am all for having a group of people behind a SINGLE delegate .. What I am against is a set of delegates that are conspiring in a secret group
Rune found BitShares through the AMA I did in /r/BitcoinMarkets. I don't think his intentions are bad. He strikes me as being genuinely passionate about this technology and wants to see it reach its potential. Until I see otherwise, I support him.I am not complaining about his intentions .. I a complaining about his behavior against members of the community .. it doesn't have anything to do with crypto in general .. I just cannot tolerate parts of his actions!
Rune found BitShares through the AMA I did in /r/BitcoinMarkets. I don't think his intentions are bad. He strikes me as being genuinely passionate about this technology and wants to see it reach its potential. Until I see otherwise, I support him.I am not complaining about his intentions .. I a complaining about his behavior against members of the community .. it doesn't have anything to do with crypto in general .. I just cannot tolerate parts of his actions!
Listen, I didn't want to "tempt" fuzzy if that is what you are referring to. It was entirely coincidence that it ended up looking like I was doing some evil shady cabal group. What I wanted to do was to basically have a group of "greenpeacers" who would always fight for the core purpose of the DAC, which is to be a benefit to humanity (IMO). I preferred not talking about it in the public mumble channel because before I could figure out how much stake would get behind it, I'd risk being totally ridiculed to the community as a new guy with stupid ideas.
At no point was it my intention to be malicious or dishonest to anyone. That instance is the only one I can think of that could have made you angry at me, if it's not that then I seriously have no clue.
I was there when you were talking to Fuz last Friday because it was between the 2 hangouts we had that day (the other one being okturtles). I wanted to really hear you in action. One thing I distinctly remember is that when Fuz balked at being an inflating delegate, you laughed as you informed him the worst thing that happens is you are voted out. You didn't laugh a lot, but you laughed at that point and one other that I recall. IMO it was quite telling, but I'd already had a strong suspicion on what was up, so my observations would have been biased.
Not to mention how odd it was that the first hangout you went to was the one after inflation was announced. ;)
I was there when you were talking to Fuz last Friday because it was between the 2 hangouts we had that day (the other one being okturtles). I wanted to really hear you in action. One thing I distinctly remember is that when Fuz balked at being an inflating delegate, you laughed as you informed him the worst thing that happens is you are voted out. You didn't laugh a lot, but you laughed at that point and one other that I recall. IMO it was quite telling, but I'd already had a strong suspicion on what was up, so my observations would have been biased.
Not to mention how odd it was that the first hangout you went to was the one after inflation was announced. ;)
Well that is exactly why I don't get the irrational fear of inflating delegates. The worst thing that will happen in case they turn rogue is that the community will have to vote them out. Unless they're allowed to go rogue for more than 2 weeks the community will even profit from it.
I think its amazing that the ability for the DAC to pay its delegates a real salary is somehow this super evil thing, and that I'm apparently super suspicious for recognizing its potential. I was nowhere near as excited for BTSX before the announcement of inflation exactly because it will come to be known as by far the most powerful feature of the DAC. BTS without inflation isn't anything special. The fact that our blockchain is able to directly pay a competitive salary for its own development is the one feature that the entire crypto community will come to know us by, and what will result in us ultimately taking the entire crypto market cap.
Seemingly with the expectation that Fuz start up a slate. rofl
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Rune want profit
Who cares if rune make you the king? If the sheep flock to you, take their fur!
We only need profit. If sheep too cold for winter, the wolves have a easy job. Yum..rune will own this community if you like or not. Method is making a facebook! use mumble for secret...baaaah baaaaah. Sheep so tasty! Time to eat! Some sheep been here a long time. Baaaa baaaah
Whatever the merits of this pitch fork session, paranoia (fuzz), cynicism (gamey) or hostility (tonyk) does have its place in ensuring the survival of this ecosystem, as a lot of things can go wrong "politically." Hopefully Rune and others will not view this as a personal attack, but rather as an immune system reaction that helps to protect the system. I would add that the community is in a sensitive period as market cap has fallen from 65 to 40 million in 30 days, and all hope rests with forces that to most of us remain distant and opaque.+5%
Maybe I made my personal position no clear yet .. but I am all for having a group of people behind a SINGLE delegate .. What I am against is a set of delegates that are conspiring in a secret group
Anyone can be come a delegate whether it be cooperative, corporation, or any individuals as long as they are trusted.
How do you stop secret conspiracies?
By forcing them to compete with other secret conspirators..
Personally I'd like to see delegates being represented from mainstream banking and industry. For example, JP Morgan Chase putting their name behind securing the chain with their own delegate, which would in turn earn them free advertising/exposure as a supporter of new technology. [/size]
Seemingly with the expectation that Fuz start up a slate. rofl
"seemingly with the expectation" that he would start up a slate? Is that what this is about? I tried to be nice to fuzzy and wanted to encourage him to work full time for the DAC, and this means I'm being manipulative because I'm "seemingly" trying to be put on his slate????? Come on, using the word seemingly literally means you're admitting that I never even said such a thing, and that you've basically made up the entire accusation about my supposedly sinister motives!
Seemingly with the expectation that Fuz start up a slate. rofl
"seemingly with the expectation" that he would start up a slate? Is that what this is about? I tried to be nice to fuzzy and wanted to encourage him to work full time for the DAC, and this means I'm being manipulative because I'm "seemingly" trying to be put on his slate????? Come on, using the word seemingly literally means you're admitting that I never even said such a thing, and that you've basically made up the entire accusation about my supposedly sinister motives!
Dang Rune...Nice post .. and that's where I have my problems too .. I cannot tell about his intentions ... they may be in favor of BTS .. but the actions he takes are not trustworthy
It is amazing to me how you cannot see your entry into this community was full of reasons for us to distrust you. It is odd to me that someone with 1000+ BTC, and a student of economics and neuroscience can have such a difficult time seeing how your actions have risen alarm:
1) "you are going to be the most powerful man in bitshares..."
2) "hey btw lets make a secret group of high rollers..."
3) "you quit your job and i'll "take the risk" to pay you to work full time...you can get a delegate up and running to pay me back"
4) "I recommend fuzzy become Community Manager, running a delegate and being paid 10-15k a month"
5) "These open Mumble hangouts need to change. Questions need to go through you."
6) "Don't worry fuzz, the worst that can happen is you get voted out (and who would replace me??? Hm...)
7) "bitshares is going to own the world!!"
8 ) "Delegates should only have one person"
If you do not already understand, I hope these 8 points help clarify. I am trying to make it easy for you...because I am tired. Many of us are tired, because we have actually worked on this community for the past year. Then it becomes slightly annoying when people come in making 20+ posts a day regarding FUNDAMENTAL restructuring and acting like they have earned our trust.
Hubris...or ignorance. I am not sure which it is. I hope it is the latter, but suspect otherwise.
Seemingly with the expectation that Fuz start up a slate. rofl
"seemingly with the expectation" that he would start up a slate? Is that what this is about? I tried to be nice to fuzzy and wanted to encourage him to work full time for the DAC, and this means I'm being manipulative because I'm "seemingly" trying to be put on his slate????? Come on, using the word seemingly literally means you're admitting that I never even said such a thing, and that you've basically made up the entire accusation about my supposedly sinister motives!
Dang Rune...
It is amazing to me how you cannot see your entry into this community was full of reasons for us to distrust you. It is odd to me that someone with 1000+ BTC, and a student of economics and neuroscience can have such a difficult time seeing how your actions have risen alarm:
1) "you are going to be the most powerful man in bitshares..."
2) "hey btw lets make a secret group of high rollers..."
3) "you quit your job and i'll "take the risk" to pay you to work full time...you can get a delegate up and running to pay me back"
4) "I recommend fuzzy become Community Manager, running a delegate and being paid 10-15k a month"
5) "These open Mumble hangouts need to change. Questions need to go through you."
6) "Don't worry fuzz, the worst that can happen is you get voted out (and who would replace me??? Hm...)
7) "bitshares is going to own the world!!"
8 ) "Delegates should only have one person"
If you do not already understand, I hope these 8 points help clarify. I am trying to make it easy for you...because I am tired. Many of us are tired, because we have actually worked on this community for the past year. Then it becomes slightly annoying when people come in making 20+ posts a day regarding FUNDAMENTAL restructuring and acting like they have earned our trust.
Hubris...or ignorance. I am not sure which it is. I hope it is the latter, but suspect otherwise.
This isn't funny anymore. This is paranoia. I can't believe I have to deal with publicly defending myself from something that aren't even allegations, it's just character assassination.I have "universal support" PRECISELY because I create events and let everyone have their own voice. This is here for THEM...how the hell would they NOT support a completely open forum where they can attend and ask questions directly to the developer without any barriers? This is not the "fuzzy" show. This is the Dev Hangout...where investors get to ask real questions without ever fearing censorship. So the People give it power---not me. Not you...and that will never change as long as I can help it.
1)
This is simply my observation. You have control of the communications framework and universal support from the community. Well, I guess it's not universal because I will never dare set foot in your mumble server again.
2)I understand you explained it. I also never said you didn't. I simply added it to the list so you could bang your head against said list to see how all the pieces of the puzzle point to something that you (a very intelligent person) should obviously consider.
I already explained exactly what this was, in this very thread even, you're deliberately twisting the facts by using these loaded words. I wanted it to be secret because I was brand new to the community and it was my first idea (that I scrapped literally the next day).
3)There are FAR better ways of doing what you did. You took the liberty where you probably shouldnt have even made the attempt. You do know we are working in crypto-where 99% of the projects are pump and dump scams, right?
I don't understand what's wrong with this. At the time I thought you were an honest, trusted community member. From my point of view it was waste not having you work full time for the DAC.
4)You "explained" that after people showed how stunned they were at your proposal. Looked like more of a back step but that is ok. We all make our errors in judgment. This list is to HELP CLARIFY where you went wrong. (Didn't you read the very first part of my post??)
I already explained in that very thread that the reason why I chose that number as an example is because I'm from Denmark, a country with extremely high tax rate and high prices. That kind of salary isn't out of the ordinary here. Also it was just an ill fated suggestion, there is no way I could possibly control what kind of salary a "community manager" gets.
5)People are intelligent enough to self-moderate. We went from 4-5 member hangouts to 40 and have had no problems thus far. By your logic, it should be impossible for people to drive on the highway together without massive casualties. You are a neuroscientist man! Neuroscientists are not dumb people.
That very mumble session had been cluttered because everyone had been un muted and spoke over each other. That's simply how things are done once you start scaling up phone conferences or Q&A.
6)I never said you did. I am simply saying you put me off with your methods...and have laid out a plain and simple list to help you recover from your folly. Sure, I have been frustrated as well...because I take offense to people coming at me like you did. I have to remind myself that neuroscience does not equate to behavioral psych or sociology. :/
Right, the worst that can happen is you get voted out and can then adjust your pay rate to an acceptable level and get voted back in. If I wanted to replace you why wouldn't I just compete with you??? But seriously I have never shown any desire to take over your job, all I wanted was to help you improve at it.
7)In theory that would sound beautiful. But in practice it is as terrible an idea as I have heard...with the exception of perhaps allowing Invictus (for the time being) to be that powerful faction....As they ENGINEERED the system, have a full understanding of its innerworkings, its strengths and weaknesses, and have the biggest incentive to protect stakeholders in the medium-term.
I've written several posts where I explain why this is my opinion. This fact is even why I was/am so desperate to get things organized ASAP, and why I thought having a powerful faction of stakeholders who would always oppose a bank takeover or other potential corruption would be extremely important.
8)Yet again, this ALONE wouldn't have been a problem, accept that all the puzzle pieces you went throwing around fit together very nicely to paint a pretty shitty picture in my mind. Sure that cloud could have been the Eifel Tower...or it could have been a big middle finger. However, you somehow found a way to paint a fingernail on it.
I've written tonnes of times why I think this is important. I still fail to see how having that opinion could possibly be suspicious.
Also, in addition to already having publicly stated that I supposedly have "1000's of bitcoins", why on earth is it in any way relevant to also reveal my majors? I don't understand how a major can possibly be relevant to me being "suspicious".
Then it becomes slightly annoying when people come in making 20+ posts a day regarding FUNDAMENTAL restructuring and acting like they have earned our trust
Listen to yourself! I have to earn your trust before I'm allowed to speak freely, and if I don't follow these rules then I'm "suspicious"?
There are now 2 posts with several pages devoted to my character assassination. As I wrote elsewhere I currently own only 10 million BTS and nothing else. I bought in at 60 million. While this has been happening I've lost 50% of my life savings because I bet all on BTS. That doesn't disturb me though, I knew what I was getting into. Being publicly attacked like this, on the other hand, is seriously not fun.
I hope you guys one day realize what you have done and how it would feel if this was done to you. I guess it is in vain, though, you will simply dismiss this as me being "manipulative".
There are now 2 posts with several pages devoted to my character assassination.It's neither about your character, nor is it about you intension (at least not for me)
As I wrote elsewhere I currently own only 10 million BTS and nothing else. I
bought in at 60 million. While this has been happening I've lost 50% of my life
savings because I bet all on BTS. That doesn't disturb me though, I knew what I
was getting into. Being publicly attacked like this, on the other hand, is
seriously not fun.
I hope you guys one day realize what you have done and how it would feel if
this was done to you. I guess it is in vain, though, you will simply dismiss
this as me being "manipulative".
We want people with money, passion, and ambition like rune. We just need to keep it real, open, and honest.*agreed* ..
Lets calm down. Rune is passionate and apparently young.
Lets not judge or accuse. Lets just do right ourselves.
We want people with money, passion, and ambition like rune. We just need to keep it real, open, and honest.
Lets calm down. Rune is passionate and apparently young.
Lets not judge or accuse. Lets just do right ourselves.
We want people with money, passion, and ambition like rune. We just need to keep it real, open, and honest.
Lets calm down. Rune is passionate and apparently young.
Lets not judge or accuse. Lets just do right ourselves.
We want people with money, passion, and ambition like rune. We just need to keep it real, open, and honest.
There are now 2 posts with several pages devoted to my character assassination.... it is in fact quite offensive to tell someone you
As I wrote elsewhere I currently own only 10 million BTS and nothing else. I
bought in at 60 million. While this has been happening I've lost 50% of my life
savings because I bet all on BTS. That doesn't disturb me though, I knew what I
was getting into. Being publicly attacked like this, on the other hand, is
seriously not fun.
I hope you guys one day realize what you have done and how it would feel if
this was done to you. I guess it is in vain, though, you will simply dismiss
this as me being "manipulative".
don't know in person, and learn about 3 weeks ago .. to tell that he should
quit his job to work on a highly speculative and risky business while having a
family to feed!! You just CANT do that .....
Rune - I think if you removed some of your rhetoric and bluster from the forum, and stuck to concise, practical posts about the topics at hand, it would go a long way to improving your reputation with some of the members.
Just my two BTS.
Rune - I think if you removed some of your rhetoric and bluster from the forum, and stuck to concise, practical posts about the topics at hand, it would go a long way to improving your reputation with some of the members.
Just my two BTS.
Right. I guess I'm just not able to communicate normally.
@fuzzy regarding the employment thing, I now realize it could be seen wrong and offensive, and for that I am sorry. It literally didn't occur to me before. I come from a privileged position where I have always been lucky and have never had to be careful about throwing myself at whatever I wanted. I failed to understand not everyone sees it this way, and I'm sorry for not taking that into consideration.
+5% +5%Rune - I think if you removed some of your rhetoric and bluster from the forum, and stuck to concise, practical posts about the topics at hand, it would go a long way to improving your reputation with some of the members.
Just my two BTS.
Right. I guess I'm just not able to communicate normally.
@fuzzy regarding the employment thing, I now realize it could be seen wrong and offensive, and for that I am sorry. It literally didn't occur to me before. I come from a privileged position where I have always been lucky and have never had to be careful about throwing myself at whatever I wanted. I failed to understand not everyone sees it this way, and I'm sorry for not taking that into consideration.
/hug
You have to judge and accuse to protect people. It is a sad fact. trust everyone is the naive sucker's creed.
lol
Day's of our lives for crypto.
Glad this was brought out
Glad to see this resolved.
Hat tip to Fuzzy for maintaining your integrity. To publicly voice your concerns about this particular ambiguous situation speaks volumes about your character. It further reinforces the perception of you I've pieced together over this past year. Thank you for continuing to be transparent.
To go full circle back to the OP title, I'm with merockstar on this topic. I think groups will naturally form in order to address the numerous functions of the job description of a delegate. It's neither bad nor good, it just is.
Rune - I like you. I can tell by your posts you understand damn well the potential. Glad to have you part of the community.
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lol
Day's of our lives for crypto.
Glad this was brought out