@luckybit and others I never owned a single eth because I don't understand its purpose but can you please explain me in 5 lines why ethereum should be worth $1 bil and what it can do that bitshares can't do and why bitshares shouldn't be worth equally? What are the differences and why eth is so superior?

I just don't get all this ethereum madness and I don't get it why people dump bts at these levels.
Please explain.
Thanks

Eth is worth that much because the speculative capital make that worth much .It's simple math .

BTS is not worth that much because BM likes to kill speculators on the ground of future development and real users . Without speculative capital , you have no bubble .

So , in order for BTS to grow , BTS has to get real users . And because real users will never use a product provided by some dev without legal protection/customer support/consumer protection,  unlike real company and real product . So ...you get the idea why it is so hard for BTS to grow .

Once the pump finishes, people will get bored holding a hypecoin with no GUI and and smart contracts that are clearly inferior to those on BitShares. They will then start to look at the liquidity and beauty of our DEX and come flocking over. Ethereum's market cap is just a glimpse of the great times to come for BitShares.

Im bringing out my inner Stan.

lol, traders never care about GUI .
They trade on the exchanges .

I trade Bitcoin for half a year without even touching the Bitcoin wallet

Quote from: noisy on February 09, 2016, 03:07:43 pm

... and usefulness of end product.

Tell me about it! How useful is ethereum at this stage? What meaningful smart contracts do they have? Slock.it?

BitShares was on the 3th place of coinmarketcap by a useless 1.0 wallet that even the devs admitted it was "unable to use for normal people" .   so .... no one really cares about usefulness on the market .

It's possible . But our ears would be laughed out by the bitcoin miners seeing how we were bashing them 

Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2016, 08:32:23 am

Quote from: puppies on February 01, 2016, 08:20:34 am

Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2016, 07:53:26 am

Quote from: puppies on February 01, 2016, 06:15:40 am

@dacplay  @btswildpig @logxing

I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care  [emoji14] . 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.

https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .

That was eth based blockchain hackathon . Isn't that?

I don't think that's the case since there was a project based on Factom also won the prize . Unless Factom is another name of Ethereum .....

Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2016, 07:53:26 am

Quote from: puppies on February 01, 2016, 06:15:40 am

@dacplay  @btswildpig @logxing

I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care  . 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.

https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .

@dacplay  @btswildpig @logxing

I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care  . 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .