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OP has been so badly deceived in so many ways and on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to begin his disillusionment process.
On the other hand, having any discussion at all with a person who's mind frame is trapped within a framework of partisan politics and parties to begin with .... there is little use presenting any economic realities to him.
Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.
There are better ways to spend your time. Be thankful he is here complaining as opposed to doing something more destructive with his ignorance.
Again rather than ad hominem attacks please try and debunk the numbers I provided in the original post.
The truth is that you won't be able to debunk those numbers as they are factual. You remind me of the climate deniers who choose to believe what they believe despite thousands of scientific papers making the case that our continued fossil fuel use is harming the planet. There is a reason the planet Venus is the hottest planet yet second planet from the sun and it is because it has a high level of carbon dioxide.
As I asked already are we as a nation better off today than we were in 2008-2009? Is the economy growing? Is unemployment down? Are housing prices up? How is the stock market doing now versus the last few years of Bush? If the economy is better off today there has been significant improvement over the last few years than why has the right been vehemently opposed to the president? They'll say that it is because of his policies blah blah blah but I think it really is because he is a biracial man in the White House. Its so obvious and it has been very obvious since the beginning.
I have news for you. There is no such thing as republican or democrat. It is all an illusion. As for using the word racism...when people use this crap it just means they want to win an argument without substantive points.
I don't really identify as a democrat although I do lean left. There is such a thing as a conservative and progressive. Call it republican or dixiecrat it doesn't matter. Apparently there are visible differences in the brains of both. Most notably conservatives tend to be more anxious and fearful which is why they are xenophobic and quick to go to war even if there are no funds for the war. Oh gotta love W. Liberals have a higher openness to experience and openness to experience is the only personality trait that directly correlates with intelligence. So yes liberals are in general more intelligent which is why you tend to find a higher percentage of non believers with people who lean left. Seriously it is embarrassing that people believe in ridiculous fairy tales that aren't backed by empirical evidence but in order for evolution to work you do need variance in intelligence. That is why on the one hand you have someone like Ray Kurzweil and on the other you have Sarah Palin who apparently is able to see Russia from her home in Alaska lol.
There is a reason the United States is becoming less conservative. It is because less intelligent conservatives ideas are being displaced by more logical ones. Survival of the fittest.
I've talked to many conservatives in person and live in a conservative states. As I read their body language and ask them questions it becomes very apparent to me that the reason they don't like Obama really is because he is black and they are racists.
As far as winning an argument, if you can please debunk my argument that we are better off now than we were right before Obama became president please do so. Don't post opinionated posts as that doesn't count as evidence.
I dont debunk your numbers...i say that the jobs that from these policies were government jobs and jobs that pay less than average. Silly boy...errr i mean racist against anybody not black. Go back to reading snopes.
Is that what you heard on faux news? Majority of the jobs most certainly not government jobs. Quick link from the Bureau of labor statistics. Oops my mistake I guess my original post was off by a little. Unemployment rate is actually 5.8% as of October and not the 6.1% I originally posted. Looks like plenty of non farm private sector jobs where added and wages increased an average of 3-4 cents.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Wages have been stagnant or in decline or decades. Edit: Because of technology and automation.
Now tell me what the NDAA is. Tell me about the IRS scandal and remember you are in company with techies here...
Yes I am aware of the National Defense Authorization Act. I'm aware that it was signed into law when no one was paying attention. Yes, I am also aware of the IRS issue. Yes, this is all a threat on freedom but so is voter ID laws meant to discourage minorities from voting. Sounds like we're back in pre civil rights America.
Tell me what the transpacific partnership is about....then you might impress me.
Again. I am not democrat or republican. I am a person who thinks for himself and doesnt let the color of anybodies skin get in the way of reason.
I don't consider myself democrat or republican either although I do lean left on many issues. I believe you but unfortunately most people on the right aren't as intelligent or independent minded as you. They just listen to and believe what faux news says.
OP has been so badly deceived in so many ways and on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to begin his disillusionment process.
On the other hand, having any discussion at all with a person who's mind frame is trapped within a framework of partisan politics and parties to begin with .... there is little use presenting any economic realities to him.
Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.
There are better ways to spend your time. Be thankful he is here complaining as opposed to doing something more destructive with his ignorance.
Again rather than ad hominem attacks please try and debunk the numbers I provided in the original post.
The truth is that you won't be able to debunk those numbers as they are factual. You remind me of the climate deniers who choose to believe what they believe despite thousands of scientific papers making the case that our continued fossil fuel use is harming the planet. There is a reason the planet Venus is the hottest planet yet second planet from the sun and it is because it has a high level of carbon dioxide.
As I asked already are we as a nation better off today than we were in 2008-2009? Is the economy growing? Is unemployment down? Are housing prices up? How is the stock market doing now versus the last few years of Bush? If the economy is better off today there has been significant improvement over the last few years than why has the right been vehemently opposed to the president? They'll say that it is because of his policies blah blah blah but I think it really is because he is a biracial man in the White House. Its so obvious and it has been very obvious since the beginning.
I have news for you. There is no such thing as republican or democrat. It is all an illusion. As for using the word racism...when people use this crap it just means they want to win an argument without substantive points.
I don't really identify as a democrat although I do lean left. There is such a thing as a conservative and progressive. Call it republican or dixiecrat it doesn't matter. Apparently there are visible differences in the brains of both. Most notably conservatives tend to be more anxious and fearful which is why they are xenophobic and quick to go to war even if there are no funds for the war. Oh gotta love W. Liberals have a higher openness to experience and openness to experience is the only personality trait that directly correlates with intelligence. So yes liberals are in general more intelligent which is why you tend to find a higher percentage of non believers with people who lean left. Seriously it is embarrassing that people believe in ridiculous fairy tales that aren't backed by empirical evidence but in order for evolution to work you do need variance in intelligence. That is why on the one hand you have someone like Ray Kurzweil and on the other you have Sarah Palin who apparently is able to see Russia from her home in Alaska lol.
There is a reason the United States is becoming less conservative. It is because less intelligent conservatives ideas are being displaced by more logical ones. Survival of the fittest.
I've talked to many conservatives in person and live in a conservative states. As I read their body language and ask them questions it becomes very apparent to me that the reason they don't like Obama really is because he is black and they are racists.
As far as winning an argument, if you can please debunk my argument that we are better off now than we were right before Obama became president please do so. Don't post opinionated posts as that doesn't count as evidence.
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Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.
My intention isn't to state whether or not I agree with you.
I think, however, it's worth bearing in mind that it was a lot harder to educate oneself in the early 20th century. Decent information was much harder to obtain, predominantly due to the lack of internet. Do you think you are viewing this from a strong point of retrospect?
"Decent information" and the advances in computer technology and information systems are irrelevant to the hard work of going inside and examining how your beliefs were formed and coming to an understanding of how your perceptions are skewed, and reinforced, by those beliefs.
I understand, and agree in large part. However, "decent information" is'nt completely irrelevant. The way I see it, when a broad base of information is easier to come by, it is harder for the powers that be to affect people's opinions.
It is easy to get frustrated by the fact that many people don't bother to think hard about the world around them, and about the way their own thoughts and actions arise. It leads to problems when people are easily manipulated.
The internet allows the wide availability of information, and also the ability to share thoughts and ideas quite freely. I say that this makes it harder for the powerful to brainwash the masses. If only more people would stop playing Farmville on Facebook, and start to delve a bit deeper!
Yes, the information is out there:
The Republican Senate Will Love Loretta Lynch
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/26860-focus-the-republican-senate-will-love-loretta-lynch
But the automatic gatekeepers in the unexamined mind will keep it out (or rather twist and cripple it on entry)
OP has been so badly deceived in so many ways and on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to begin his disillusionment process.
On the other hand, having any discussion at all with a person who's mind frame is trapped within a framework of partisan politics and parties to begin with .... there is little use presenting any economic realities to him.
Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.
I'm 100% sure that the market cap would be about the same as it is right now even if we had ZERO marketing expenditures.
Have we actually had much in the way of marketing expenditures so far? I doubt it.
Also, yes the market cap would be the same right now if there was no marketing team, because the marketing campaign hasn't even started yet. All that has happened so far is that they have been developing the campaign.
Once the marketing campaign actually happens, we can begin to see if it was effective. Later on we will either be able to say that the marketing was great, or that it was a waste of money. For now, it hasn't even launched yet.
I never asked for anyone's time, money, or their especially their trust. My arguments stand on their own. Let's not use strawman arguments about accounting for "every dollar" that is spent. I never suggested that. I simply stated that (i) a clear disclosure of what is happening with the funds and (ii) ongoing accountability is necessary to prevent FUD. And yes, I am upset that I was asking nicely, privately and publicly, for the past couple of weeks and got no clear response. Then I saw it on the blockchain and here we are. In fact, we still don't know what the plan is for the funds (in aggregate, not dollar-for-dollar)...
I would prefer they keep it a secret. *I know, ME...the hater of ALL SECRETS!*
Why? Because sometimes we have to trust these Brilliant guys to recognize moments in time when divulging their plans could potentially clue competitors in on strategies being used. Let's remember in this space that there are many competitors who would gladly (and have gladly) taken it upon themselves to use the openness of this community and the dev team against us. I personally have become a bit impatient with watching our investment capital be burned to enable innovations just to have a competitor listen to our hangouts or read some of Dan's posts...and then copy/claim the innovation as their own. I understand your frustrations though....as at heart I am one of the people who this "secrecy" stuff seems to hit hardest--at least on most levels. Let's say I've been largely forced by reality to start evolving those opinions.
The marketers have been off of payroll as well and their own conditional lump sums arranged by Dan. Before there would have been no way to responsibly pay for additional marketing because I don't trust dan to spend it well.
I think the real transparency problems come from the fact that I don't think you guys appreciate how quickly we would have to switch to dilution to pay in any case.
I haven't looked at the spreadsheets for a while - how much money do you think was in the AGS fund before and after this lastest expenditure?
Maybe it is to prevent their stake from being diluted? But wouldn't that dilution be over the course of 2 years or does it start happening as soon as it is upgraded?- yhea delution over 2 years .. plus a very small delution to pay for development
- starting with the upgrade
- also those could have sold earlier .. there really is no reason to sell just now .. unless you think a snapshot was made on BTSX
To be honest I don't really care about if people are selling or not .. I just wanted to make this point clear .. not that some people get mad afterwards ..
Cool! Looks like it's still just me and my lonesome in Colorado...
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Beautiful state and one of the states in the nation with more sense in terms of the green herb. I don't smoke anything I just think it makes more sense to legalize it and tax it.
What is the purpose of this ? If it is for a mass PR release we should dress it up a lot. The merger is really cool and a world first. We can get a lot of eyes on it if we choose. But this format is not PR style. If you want a Press Release I am happy to write one and get it out.
I find it funny that people are using reputation, a form of trust, and decentralization, a trustless endeavor in the same thread.
We love to use the "corporation" analogy, but when it comes to performance-based compensation we abandon it completely. Not only that, but we are arguing against using our very own product to make it happen. No rational person could argue that this is unfair. If you're a developer, you get Dan or 2 other devs to sign off on your vest every month. Simple, effective, and completely obvious. Show me one company that will grant you an equity package that becomes liquid over time, but is granted in entirety upfront without any regard for your performance or status as an employee.
Outside of your issues with Dan giving grants to developers, "performance-based compensation" has not been "abandoned completely".
I'm really starting to question your motives. You say so many things that it almost seems you're more about the FUD than the truth.
How can this be FUD? These funds were donated for development and marketing. Is it too much to ask for transparency and accountability? If this is a one-time grant for past work then it would make sense that it was given without any precondition. If it is intended to be part of their ongoing compensation then it makes no sense to hand it out all at once. I was led to believe that all of the dev funds that are allotted for future dev and marketing work would be divided up and simply granted to the devs. We may never know what the plan is. We'll just have to watch the blockchain and take our best guess ...
Have it your way. If choosing to view it as a year-end bonus for their roles in implementing the Crypto Product of the Year makes it acceptable in your sight, then having it done in such a way that also incentivizes continued support of the product ought to make you ecstatic. On top of it all there are tax planning aspects and transition to the new developer funding model and the associated renegotiation of their original hiring packages that must be considered. It is not customary to make any such compensation package negotiations public, beyond a simple transparent declaration of what is being done.
It is very customary in some open projects to have full income transparency. Gotta shift away from the "corporate" mentality.
If I remember correctly in Mozilla peers vote on who gets what % of the bonus and people know each other's compensation. (I've only heard that I haven't actually verified it, so I could be wrong, but I like the idea regardless)
