I wonder if there will be some crazies that will continue mining even after it has lost all value... Just to preserve a piece of history. I'll definitely run my bitcoin node forever, even when it has been completely obliterated by bitshares and other second generation DACs.PTS's difficulty is significant.
This whole exercise is a farce. If you want consensus then you should receive it from each asset independently by allowing them to vote with their stake with the condition that I3 does not participate in the voting (and especially not with funds pegged for marketing). These rigged forum polls and on-a-whim decision making based on information buried deep in the forums are nothing but theatre.
This whole exercise is a farce. If you want consensus then you should receive it from each asset independently by allowing them to vote with their stake with the condition that I3 does not participate in the voting (and especially not with funds pegged for marketing). These rigged forum polls and on-a-whim decision making based on information buried deep in the forums are nothing but theatre.
To clarify, forum polls are rigged in the sense that they are gameable (at worst) and represent a small cross-section of people who troll the forums (at best).
Also Stan, I noticed some of your old posts have disappeared. For example, this months-old post is now gone: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4684.0
Any explanation as to why these old posts have selectively disappeared? Not jumping to conclusions as there may be a perfectly valid reason.
Also Stan, I noticed some of your old posts have disappeared. For example, this months-old post is now gone: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4684.0
Any explanation as to why these old posts have selectively disappeared? Not jumping to conclusions as there may be a perfectly valid reason.
holy cow has a lot happened in a short period of time!
do you guys think it'd be more profitable to trade in PTS for BTSX before the snapshot, or turn BTSX into PTS for the snapshot?
holy cow has a lot happened in a short period of time!
do you guys think it'd be more profitable to trade in PTS for BTSX before the snapshot, or turn BTSX into PTS for the snapshot?
holy cow has a lot happened in a short period of time!
do you guys think it'd be more profitable to trade in PTS for BTSX before the snapshot, or turn BTSX into PTS for the snapshot?
Well if PTS is going to get 75 million BTS then you will get ~42 BTS for each PTS.
42 BTSX (note the X) is worth a round half of one PTS right now. I would say sell the hell out of PTS.
holy cow has a lot happened in a short period of time!
do you guys think it'd be more profitable to trade in PTS for BTSX before the snapshot, or turn BTSX into PTS for the snapshot?
Well if PTS is going to get 75 million BTS then you will get ~42 BTS for each PTS.
42 BTSX (note the X) is worth a round half of one PTS right now. I would say sell the hell out of PTS.
whoa buddy... no. PTS gets 175 million; you're going to get something like 106 BTS for each PTS. Like I said before, PTS is about a 20% discount to BTSX right now.
Does anyone has actually have done the maths of how many BTS per AGS after the snapshot? Can someone do the numbers split to
DNS=xBTS
VOTE=xBTS
PTS=xBTS
AGS=xBTS
I run the numbers the other day but I may have them wrong so it will be nice if we can double check..
I have purchased PTS and AGS before and after the 28th of Feb snapshot.
I have not claimed any DNS shares or any shares in BitsharesX.
Do I need to first claim my DNS shares to get the new shares in BitsharesX from the new snap shot.
Or will I just claim my DNS shares at a later stage using my PTS and AGS and then use that wallet to get my new bitsharesX shares.
Someone please clarify all this stuff. Thanks!
...I am currently at work pretending to work...
Thats neat. Fantastic, thanks for clarifyingI have purchased PTS and AGS before and after the 28th of Feb snapshot.
I have not claimed any DNS shares or any shares in BitsharesX.
Do I need to first claim my DNS shares to get the new shares in BitsharesX from the new snap shot.
Or will I just claim my DNS shares at a later stage using my PTS and AGS and then use that wallet to get my new bitsharesX shares.
Someone please clarify all this stuff. Thanks!
It doesn't matter, you can just ignore the dns and you'll get the stake for it when you import ags/pts
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So just to clarify, as a result of AGS I have unclaimed BTSX. Do I have to claim the BTSX before the BTSX to BTS conversion ?nope .. however you will get two kinds of BTS then ..
But I will lose potential BTS if BTSX goes unclaimed ? Thanks for the help.So just to clarify, as a result of AGS I have unclaimed BTSX. Do I have to claim the BTSX before the BTSX to BTS conversion ?nope .. however you will get two kinds of BTS then ..
those that come from your BTSX (those that you could also claim right now)
and those that come from the second airdrop onto AGS .. those are vested linearly over 2 years
But I will lose potential BTS if BTSX goes unclaimed ? Thanks for the help.No you don't .. all your BTSX will still belong to your .. no matter in which block/address they are stored in ..
Last block before 0:00 UTC Nov 6th. So somewhere between 23:59:49 UTC and 23:59:59 UTC November 5thWe're tallking about a PTS snapshot here (mostly). PTS doesn't have 10s block times, so it is impossible to tell when the last block on Nov 5th will be mined.
(Which is a little unfair for the guy who mines that block.)let's replace "unfair" with "unlucky" -- It's not that we can choose that .. POW blocks appear at (almost) random times .. that's what makes the synchronous DPOS scheme so exciting
Thinking about the last block I too would like clarification. Is it 11:59:59 UTC tonight (the 4th) or tomorrow?
Thinking about the last block I too would like clarification. Is it 11:59:59 UTC tonight (the 4th) or tomorrow?
Last block of 5 Nov mean 5 Nov 23:59:59.999 UTC
Exchanges know it because they already participate in 2 snapshots.
Is Bter even aware of the vesting period?
With other snapshots like music, they had à post explaining the snapshot.
Now with this significant snapshot they haven't even got à post explaining it.
It only says bter Will take the snapshot for you on the trading pages.
I know everybody has been advised to withdraw their PTS and DNS, to their wallets, on this forum.
But I guess not all traders are aware of this and the vesting period.
They might be "slightly agitated" when they find out their BTS (funds) will become linearly liquid over 2 years.
Also PTS and DNS, where to be meant to halt trading right? There's no mention of this to. And if they will available for trading, traders should be informed about a probable Price drop.
Don't mean to be trolling, but this could be a recipe for a new sh*tstorm.
If it's from the pts/dns AirDrop then they vest over two years. 1/730th a day.
It's unclear how the exchanges will field that. You should transfer your balances to a wallet you control.
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BTSX doesn't have a vesting period but if you leave it on an exchange you're trusting them to, "Do the right thing".
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BTSX doesn't have a vesting period but if you leave it on an exchange you're trusting them to, "Do the right thing".
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I take it those holding BitUSD are missing out on the airdrop ?
Do I need to have my BTSX in my wallet? or is it ok to leave on the bter exchange?
Also, I still have unclaimed BTSX from AGS/PTS and I'm assuming this is ok.
Do I need to have my BTSX in my wallet? or is it ok to leave on the bter exchange?
Also, I still have unclaimed BTSX from AGS/PTS and I'm assuming this is ok.
Do I need to have my BTSX in my wallet? or is it ok to leave on the bter exchange?
Also, I still have unclaimed BTSX from AGS/PTS and I'm assuming this is ok.
10 second blocks!
Why is it such a problem to move the shares for a day and then move them back?q
because bter takes 1% in fees upon withdrawal.but gives 1% for deposits
because bter takes 1% in fees upon withdrawal.but gives 1% for deposits
I see everyone talking about bter on here , please stop using bter. I withdrew coins from my account and they never showed up, bter said they do not have access to their own bitcoin wallet when i asked them about it and then very rudely told me I did not know anything about bitcoin(When I run several bitcoin webpages) and my coins were theirs to keep. They never showed up in my account or wallet. They are just gone and bter basically told me to f-off. this was weeks ago. so it is my guess that bter just steals when they feel like it or when there is a 'glitch'. I moved to another exchange and have had zero problems since. plus all my withdraws and deposits are way faster.
Please post the message history between BTER and yourself so that we can determine the problem. Without that, your post seems a little like FUD even if it is 100% true.
Most have gone through but a few remain unconfirmed.That's not necessarily BTer's fault .. it may just be the miners that are simply not including your tx into the blocks .. that's why POW sucks :)
No, BTER is not involved with these transactions.If they are not confirmed (at least a single confirmation) .. than you are out of luck and the old addresses are credited/airdropped ..
I only sent the PTS between local wallet addresses to allow for easier accounting - I wanted all PTS on new addresses that are not associated with previously donated AGS.
Did the snapshot happen?
Note: as soon as they reopen trading on PTS, there is a race to be the first to dump your shares into the idiots who left open buy orders on there. Grats to whoever wins this race and gets free money. And if any of you still have buy orders out there for PTS, remove them now! (Unless they are super super low orders looking to take advantage of any future PTS based snapshots).Are they "reopening" the market?
Note: as soon as they reopen trading on PTS, there is a race to be the first to dump your shares into the idiots who left open buy orders on there. Grats to whoever wins this race and gets free money. And if any of you still have buy orders out there for PTS, remove them now! (Unless they are super super low orders looking to take advantage of any future PTS based snapshots).Are they "reopening" the market?
anybody received their BTS s?
81575 : Mi 5. Nov 18:45:50 UTC 2014
81576 : Mi 5. Nov 19:31:18 UTC 2014
81577 : Mi 5. Nov 19:48:54 UTC 2014
81578 : Mi 5. Nov 19:59:10 UTC 2014
81579 : Do 6. Nov 00:26:18 UTC 2014
81580 : Do 6. Nov 05:49:41 UTC 2014
81581 : Do 6. Nov 09:10:05 UTC 2014
To me this seems like block number 81578 is the one for the BTS/PLAY snapshot .. can someone confirm?
Code: [Select]81575 : Mi 5. Nov 18:45:50 UTC 2014To me this seems like block number 81578 is the one for the BTS/PLAY snapshot .. can someone confirm?
81576 : Mi 5. Nov 19:31:18 UTC 2014
81577 : Mi 5. Nov 19:48:54 UTC 2014
81578 : Mi 5. Nov 19:59:10 UTC 2014
81579 : Do 6. Nov 00:26:18 UTC 2014
81580 : Do 6. Nov 05:49:41 UTC 2014
81581 : Do 6. Nov 09:10:05 UTC 2014