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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stan on June 04, 2017, 06:51:19 pm
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ATTENTION ON DECK!
If you want to see BTS and Steemit go to the moon, we need a lot of love on this post:
matttrainer[/member]/steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool#@Stan/re-matttrainer-steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool-20170604t183247885z]https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@matttrainer/steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool#@Stan/re-matttrainer-steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool-20170604t183247885z (https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/[member=44070)
Steemit-Based Reality Game Announced: $10 million prize pool — Steemit
This my first post on Steemit. Thanks for having me. I'm extremely excited about the future for Steemit. So… by matttrainer
This is the guy who did the big Hollywood event we spoke at. Now he's focused his whole company on this game and driving BTS/STM to the moon.
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Again some serial scammer? Come on man, this is not helping at all.
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Again some serial scammer? Come on man, this is not helping at all.
+1
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That's awesome! So let's investigate a bit:
To learn about my new gaming company go here:
http://consumerreality.services
And according to the webpage their office is located here:
North American Office:
8605 Santa Monica Blvd. #13160
West Hollywood, CA 90069
USA
Google it! And and let me know what you see...
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That's awesome! So let's investigate a bit:
To learn about my new gaming company go here:
http://consumerreality.services
And according to the webpage their office is located here:
North American Office:
8605 Santa Monica Blvd. #13160
West Hollywood, CA 90069
USA
Google it! And and let me know what you see...
Yeah, not the best first impression. Also the website doesn't instill a lot of confidence so far. No names or people with track records in the gaming industry either, doesn't leave much to go on there.
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I believe in his team having worked with them for the past month.
Take the blue pill and believe whatever you want.
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I believe in his team having worked with them for the past month.
Take the blue pill and believe whatever you want.
I wasn't trying to discredit anyone, I do realize that not everyone and everything works entirely in the public eye. However you also can't fault us for being a little cautious, bitshares has had it's share of broken promises and scammers. So much so in fact that I think I'm not alone in being completely unfamiliar with the recent uptick and having trouble adjusting.
Anyway, if the company is seeking public attention, then it might pay to do a little work on it's public image, like the website and such, or publishing some podcasts/vlogs. At the moment the only thing we can do is take your word on it Stan, but to use your reference, that's like seeing someone else taking the pill, not quite the same experience as being able to take the pill yourself.
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almost predicted this outcome.
this is what happens when you throw a common high ticket marketer to the crypto crowd - they ate him alive.
use him where he is valuable, outside of crypto, and find some crypto marketers would be my approach
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Oh, Stan, when you will learn that get-rich-quick online marketers are the lowest scum of internet business? You can't ever win if you work with them.
BTS and Steemit to the moon? Yeah, right. This guy didn't last even 24h. He edited the original post, all there is left is this: "Bye steemit. You're not ready for this."
(http://i.imgur.com/MAtImih.jpg)
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almost predicted this outcome.
this is what happens when you throw a common high ticket marketer to the crypto crowd - they ate him alive.
use him where he is valuable, outside of crypto, and find some crypto marketers would be my approach
The first requirement of marketers in crypto should be to be able to weather allegations of being a scammer. Can you name a single project that has not has it's flood of scam allegations? It also doesn't help that most of those allegations turn out to be true. Then again, I also doubt that targeting the current crypto-crowd would be very beneficial, they probably are long since aware of bitshares, but chose differently.
Then again, I'm most likely completely wrong about the crypto-crowd. Just now I've been reading in shocked horror that the benevolent dicator of Ethereum Vitalik has had a private one-on-one with mister KGB/FSB-himself and that is somehow seen as good news? What the hell is going on? Has everybody gone completely off the deep end? Yep, majority stakeholders in a POS-system now with personal ties to the FSB and banks, what could possibly go wrong?
Sorry for the segway, I just wanted to illustrate my complete lack of ability to judge the crowds and by relation my complete lack of ability to judge marketing.
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Oh, Stan, when you will learn that get-rich-quick online marketers are the lowest scum of internet business? You can't ever win if you work with them.
BTS and Steemit to the moon? Yeah, right. This guy didn't last even 24h. He edited the original post, all there is left is this: "Bye steemit. You're not ready for this."
:o, wuuut!
I hadn't even seen that yet. WTH! Are you serious? I hadn't had the time yet to look into this and I did ask some questions in the chat-venues like mumble and the like, to see what I was missing and how it was supposed to work. I didn't understand where all the money would be coming from, but this is ridiculous in and of itself. What kind of marketer has thin skin like that, aren't they supposed to be able to deal with public reactions like a pro?
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to be fair, you can google any product+scam and get hits on it. you need to go down the rabbit whole to do due diligence, all I say this time.
however, ragequitting was uncalled and unneeded, very unprofessional of that guy.
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I admit that I wasn't able to spend the time looking into this. The only thing I picked up was talking about marketers wanting to gamify marketing and interested in using bitshares for it. And I was like, well if people can find uses for bitshares sure, why not. And so far I figured it was just some kind of marketers convention or something, where people listen to talks.
But only today when I got that link to the company talking about making an multiplayer online world and having an entire economy inside promising millions is when I went, yeah that is probably bullshit. The gaming industry is not that big, and you could count the companies that could pull something like that off on the fingers of a single badly mangled hand.
Making a living off of being a game-dev let alone massive profits is just about guaranteed impossible. The tiny number of success stories proving my point. So when someone comes around saying he will make millions with games, you should be more than a little skeptical. Especially if said person/company has never made a game in their life.
Similarly the first thing all aspiring gamedevs say they want to make when they join the forums or modding communities is how they will make this awesome RPG or MMORPG and most of the veterans are like, suuuuuure, try making something like pong or tetris first and then look at the next step.
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Oh, Stan, when you will learn that get-rich-quick online marketers are the lowest scum of internet business? You can't ever win if you work with them.
BTS and Steemit to the moon? Yeah, right. This guy didn't last even 24h. He edited the original post, all there is left is this: "Bye steemit. You're not ready for this."
(http://i.imgur.com/MAtImih.jpg)
Oh, he'll still do it. Steemit just won't be the one to benefit from it.
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Regardless of his intent....the post, the language used, the promises made, the lack of evidence to give credibility, the descriptions of the webinar content, his reactions to critisism....I mean honestly, what did he or anyone else expect? That is "help" that Bitshares and Steemit neither wants nor needs. If his intentions were honourable, I wish him luck.....elsewhere. Or he can listen to the critisism and adapt his approach to one that may have more success. The impression I got was absolutely terrible. There is no need whatsoever for anyone in Bitshares or Steemit to pay that much for anything. The funds are all available from within the networks where stake, reputation, history and a clear and transparent offer / business plan can be specified clearly and evaluated openly.
If people want money from Bitshares or Steemit, they need to realise that the wishy woshy language of the past or the nebulous business plans promising the earth are going to get short thrift.
I have always looked up to Stan. His vouching for this proposition based on his recent positive experiences changes nothing. His boundless positivity and guidance have been steadfast and the fact that he sees the best in almost anyone and anything is a superhuman strength. We are all susceptible to our hearts. That's why communities have strength. On a bad day, there is always someone who has your back.
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Oh, he'll still do it. Steemit just won't be the one to benefit from it.
You know that doesn't make any sense, right? Please tell me that you're only pretending to think that this guy is on the level.
If he had something truly valuable to offer, why does his business model depend on up-front payments instead of profit-sharing?
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
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Oh, he'll still do it. Steemit just won't be the one to benefit from it.
You know that doesn't make any sense, right? Please tell me that you're only pretending to think that this guy is on the level.
If he had something truly valuable to offer, why does his business model depend on up-front payments instead of profit-sharing?
That model was still under development, but it all comes down to how you monetize an asset without creating a security.
I was still thinking it through, as a consultant, but he didn't want to wait till I had all the theoretical foundation developed.
When I get it figured out, it could be a useful new use case.
I'll publish it when I think its ready for peer review.
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Regardless of his intent....the post, the language used, the promises made, the lack of evidence to give credibility, the descriptions of the webinar content, his reactions to critisism....I mean honestly, what did he or anyone else expect? That is "help" that Bitshares and Steemit neither wants nor needs. If his intentions were honourable, I wish him luck.....elsewhere. Or he can listen to the critisism and adapt his approach to one that may have more success. The impression I got was absolutely terrible. There is no need whatsoever for anyone in Bitshares or Steemit to pay that much for anything. The funds are all available from within the networks where stake, reputation, history and a clear and transparent offer / business plan can be specified clearly and evaluated openly.
If people want money from Bitshares or Steemit, they need to realise that the wishy woshy language of the past or the nebulous business plans promising the earth are going to get short thrift.
I have always looked up to Stan. His vouching for this proposition based on his recent positive experiences changes nothing. His boundless positivity and guidance have been steadfast and the fact that he sees the best in almost anyone and anything is a superhuman strength. We are all susceptible to our hearts. That's why communities have strength. On a bad day, there is always someone who has your back.
Thanks Ben,
I appreciate that thought.
Projection is assuming that other people's motivations are the same as your own.
I guess that's why I assume everyone is just a harmless little fuzzball. 8)
"A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you." -- Jesus Christ
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
Thanks for the follow up Stan, we do appreciate everything your doing.
I honestly believe the way Matt presented and pulled out of the Steemit post so quickly left a sour taste for many. It was near impossible to connect the dots on where the project was headed before he started asking for 50k investments.
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
Thanks for the follow up Stan, we do appreciate everything your doing.
I honestly believe the way Matt presented and pulled out of the Steemit post so quickly left a sour taste for many. It was near impossible to connect the dots on where the project was headed before he started asking for 50k investments.
No doubt there are cultural mismatches. No excuse for always assuming the worst about people. "They'll be time enough for judging, when the dealin's done" - Kenny Rodgers
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
Thanks for the follow up Stan, we do appreciate everything your doing.
I honestly believe the way Matt presented and pulled out of the Steemit post so quickly left a sour taste for many. It was near impossible to connect the dots on where the project was headed before he started asking for 50k investments.
What are you talking about? I spend almost every day asking for $50M investments. :)
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
Thanks for the follow up Stan, we do appreciate everything your doing.
I honestly believe the way Matt presented and pulled out of the Steemit post so quickly left a sour taste for many. It was near impossible to connect the dots on where the project was headed before he started asking for 50k investments.
No doubt there are cultural mismatches. No excuse for always assuming the worst about people. "They'll be time enough for judging, when the dealin's done" - Kenny Rodgers
Kenny Rogers never sang that lyric, unless you intentionally meant to spell his name wrong
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Successful people do not respond to criticism the way this guy does as they live to be competitive and prove their worth...
I have only seen two of his pitches, the mission 2 from a month back and this one yesterday, however they just scream too good to be true. If he really wants to grab the attention of blockchain users there has to be more hard hitting details of such plan before asking for 50k cash... Both video's still leave me in the air on exactly what his game plan is.
@Stan Since you have been working with them, can you help us connect the dots?
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
Perhaps I'll blog about it when I get a few spare hours.
Using bitshares to hold someone's payment for gold in the ground as escrow to borrow heros against to pay for mining it is the basic idea.
It's a way to solve the counterparty problem for all sorts of asset backed coins.
There are tons of illiquid assets out there, and using hero technology to secure them is a promising use case.
Successful people quickly recognize when they encounter intractable obstacles and cut their losses.
It's not thinned skin rage, its simple pragmatic realism.
Thanks for the follow up Stan, we do appreciate everything your doing.
I honestly believe the way Matt presented and pulled out of the Steemit post so quickly left a sour taste for many. It was near impossible to connect the dots on where the project was headed before he started asking for 50k investments.
No doubt there are cultural mismatches. No excuse for always assuming the worst about people. "They'll be time enough for judging, when the dealin's done" - Kenny Rodgers
Kenny Rogers never sang that lyric, unless you intentionally meant to spell his name wrong
I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in...
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I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in...
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Oh, he'll still do it. Steemit just won't be the one to benefit from it.
So you still haven't learned anything from this? Whenever you are involved in "something big" it always fails. By now you should be able to see some patterns. Like, for example, every time you cooperate with Michael Taggart, nothing works out.
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
You had all the chances to fully develop the business. When you fail, take some responsibility, don't blame others.
Instead of being in the bubble with get-rich-quick scammers, you should have done your own research. It wouldn't have been hard to ask around about the idea and plans. Ask feedback – what could go wrong? It would have been very quickly pointed out that making this kind of business with a man with very low reputation will be pretty much impossible to market efficiently. If you ruin the brand in the beginning, it will require a lot of unnecessary work to build it later.
This is not rocket science, this is just very simple basics of business.
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Oh, he'll still do it. Steemit just won't be the one to benefit from it.
So you still haven't learned anything from this? Whenever you are involved in "something big" it always fails. By now you should be able to see some patterns. Like, for example, every time you cooperate with Michael Taggart, nothing works out.
Well, no one ever let us fully develop the concept.
You had all the chances to fully develop the business. When you fail, take some responsibility, don't blame others.
Instead of being in the bubble with get-rich-quick scammers, you should have done your own research. It wouldn't have been hard to ask around about the idea and plans. Ask feedback – what could go wrong? It would have been very quickly pointed out that making this kind of business with a man with very low reputation will be pretty much impossible to market efficiently. If you ruin the brand in the beginning, it will require a lot of unnecessary work to build it later.
This is not rocket science, this is just very simple basics of business.
BitShares is "something BIG" and it has hardly failed.
Neither has the subject of this post.
Steemit just lost out on orders of magnitude growth.
Had their chance. Muffed it.
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Seems that Matt ties his multi million dollar game to BitShares. I am guessing it has something to do with the newly created coin KARMAKOIN which is supposedly backed up by 1 OZ of gold 1:1. He also has a very expensive taste (Lambos and Ferraris) so I guess he really needs that steady flow of $50K coming in...
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Stan, I don't think you understand how serious the situation is.
Even if the Mogul game wasn't a scam, it should have been kicked out from Steem. Why? Because it would have attracted other real scammers to the platform.
Like many others besides me have noticed, the language Trainer used and the marketing style that he had chosen was pretty much straight from some kind of get-rich-quick scheme guidebook. If he has a real business, he doesn't need to use scamming marketing style. Just watch him after this... If he learned from this incident, he understands that his marketing style must change if he wants to make some real business. If he continues with the same style, he is either a scammer or unable to learn from mistakes.
But let's just assume that no backlash happened in the case of Mogul. What if Trainer had been able to launch the game as he wanted?
Two possible outcomes:
1) The game was a scam and you, Stan, would have lost even more of your reputation because you fully endorsed it. What would you say to the people who lost thousands of dollars for nothing? Would you pay them back with your own money (because scammers don't give back any refunds)?
2) The game wasn't a scam but it would have attracted several real scams to Steem. You, Stan, would be still indirectly responsible for the losses of people who would invest to those scams. Would you pay them back with your own money?
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Stan, I don't think you understand how serious the situation is.
Even if the Mogul game wasn't a scam, it should have been kicked out from Steem. Why? Because it would have attracted other real scammers to the platform.
Like many others besides me have noticed, the language Trainer used and the marketing style that he had chosen was pretty much straight from some kind of get-rich-quick scheme guidebook. If he has a real business, he doesn't need to use scamming marketing style. Just watch him after this... If he learned from this incident, he understands that his marketing style must change if he wants to make some real business. If he continues with the same style, he is either a scammer or unable to learn from mistakes.
But let's just assume that no backlash happened in the case of Mogul. What if Trainer had been able to launch the game as he wanted?
Two possible outcomes:
1) The game was a scam and you, Stan, would have lost even more of your reputation because you fully endorsed it. What would you say to the people who lost thousands of dollars for nothing? Would you pay them back with your own money (because scammers don't give back any refunds)?
2) The game wasn't a scam but it would have attracted several real scams to Steem. You, Stan, would be still indirectly responsible for the losses of people who would invest to those scams. Would you pay them back with your own money?
Samupaha,
I don't think you have analyzed how serious your own situation now is.
You have deeply offended the leader of
- a talent-rich company that just trained 150 of the most successful internet marketers in the world on all the latest techniques in gameification and augmented reality and real time blockchain integration- earning several million dollars in one weekend.
- a company that has all those marketers' and partners' passionate support despite his hour-long confession of his past mistakes at the start of his epic Hollywood Event.
- a company that has reverse-engineered the Google search engine scoring mechanism and is able to make the first ten pages of Google rank their stuff over all other stuff any time they want
- a company capable of single handedly defeating some of the greatest celebrity teams in the world and winning the Billion Dollar Prize in our upcoming Billion Hero Challenge - all on its own with its new technologies
- a company that will have billions to support funding a Steemit competitor and making it more popular than Steemit in every way, attracting current Steem users away from the current toxic evil-whale environment with a multi-million dollar share drop on everyone who is not an evil whale, and leveraging all the traffic from people competing for our billion dollar prize
- a company that is perfectly capable of leveraging all that Billion Hero Challenge traffic to make Steemit vanish from Google SEO rankings completely
Not saying he will do any of this... the damage he inflicts could be incidental and limited completely to this quadrant of the galaxy.
But those living in glass houses who throw stones at other people's projects without taking time to understand them deserve whatever they get.
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Stan, I don't think you understand how serious the situation is.
Even if the Mogul game wasn't a scam, it should have been kicked out from Steem. Why? Because it would have attracted other real scammers to the platform.
Like many others besides me have noticed, the language Trainer used and the marketing style that he had chosen was pretty much straight from some kind of get-rich-quick scheme guidebook. If he has a real business, he doesn't need to use scamming marketing style. Just watch him after this... If he learned from this incident, he understands that his marketing style must change if he wants to make some real business. If he continues with the same style, he is either a scammer or unable to learn from mistakes.
But let's just assume that no backlash happened in the case of Mogul. What if Trainer had been able to launch the game as he wanted?
Two possible outcomes:
1) The game was a scam and you, Stan, would have lost even more of your reputation because you fully endorsed it. What would you say to the people who lost thousands of dollars for nothing? Would you pay them back with your own money (because scammers don't give back any refunds)?
2) The game wasn't a scam but it would have attracted several real scams to Steem. You, Stan, would be still indirectly responsible for the losses of people who would invest to those scams. Would you pay them back with your own money?
Samupaha,
I don't think you have analyzed how serious your own situation now is.
You have deeply offended the leader of
- a talent-rich company that just trained 150 of the most successful internet marketers in the world on all the latest techniques in gameification and augmented reality and real time blockchain integration- earning several million dollars in one weekend.
- a company that has all those marketers' and partners' passionate support despite his hour-long confession of his past mistakes at the start of his epic Hollywood Event.
- a company that has reverse-engineered the Google search engine scoring mechanism and is able to make the first ten pages of Google rank their stuff over all other stuff any time they want
- a company capable of single handedly defeating some of the greatest celebrity teams in the world and winning the Billion Dollar Prize in our upcoming Billion Hero Challenge - all on its own with its new technologies
- a company that will have billions to support funding a Steemit competitor and making it more popular than Steemit in every way, attracting current Steem users away from the current toxic evil-whale environment with a multi-million dollar share drop on everyone who is not an evil whale, and leveraging all the traffic from people competing for our billion dollar prize
- a company that is perfectly capable of leveraging all that Billion Hero Challenge traffic to make Steemit vanish from Google SEO rankings completely
Not saying he will do any of this... the damage he inflicts could be incidental and limited completely to this quadrant of the galaxy.
But those living in glass houses who throw stones at other people's projects without taking time to understand them deserve whatever they get.
+5%
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I think it's a good sign that the communities are healthy when they openly question.
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"
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I believe in his team having worked with them for the past month.
Take the blue pill and believe whatever you want.
I wasn't trying to discredit anyone, I do realize that not everyone and everything works entirely in the public eye. However you also can't fault us for being a little cautious, bitshares has had it's share of broken promises and scammers. So much so in fact that I think I'm not alone in being completely unfamiliar with the recent uptick and having trouble adjusting.
Anyway, if the company is seeking public attention, then it might pay to do a little work on it's public image, like the website and such, or publishing some podcasts/vlogs. At the moment the only thing we can do is take your word on it Stan, but to use your reference, that's like seeing someone else taking the pill, not quite the same experience as being able to take the pill yourself.
Stan, how can keyhotee funder get bts.my keyhotee funder have't get any bts yet.
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a talent-rich company that just trained 150 of the most successful internet marketers in the world on all the latest techniques in gameification and augmented reality and real time blockchain integration
If they are so talented and great, why did their launch fail miserably? If they really know what they are doing, why they decided to use very low quality marketing technique? If they had any experience from internet marketing, they should have foreseen how things will go in the internet if they try to do something like that.
earning several million dollars in one weekend.
Where did the money come from? Was it ethical business? Did they actually produce a real and valuable service for their customers?
a company that has all those marketers' and partners' passionate support despite his hour-long confession of his past mistakes at the start of his epic Hollywood Event.
It's very common manipulation technique to talk about own mistakes to get other people's trust. Scammers are using it every day to deceive people.
a company capable of single handedly defeating some of the greatest celebrity teams in the world
What does this even mean?
and winning the Billion Dollar Prize in our upcoming Billion Hero Challenge - all on its own with its new technologies
They design the game themselves so they can win? Sounds exactly like scammers would do it.
a company that will have billions to support funding a Steemit competitor and making it more popular than Steemit in every way, attracting current Steem users away from the current toxic evil-whale environment with a multi-million dollar share drop on everyone who is not an evil whale, and leveraging all the traffic from people competing for our billion dollar prize
As you saw, Steemians don't like scammers. Now that the guy has lost his reputation, why would anybody follow him to a new platform?
a company that is perfectly capable of leveraging all that Billion Hero Challenge traffic to make Steemit vanish from Google SEO rankings completely
LOL, I highly doubt this.
But those living in glass houses who throw stones at other people's projects without taking time to understand them deserve whatever they get.
Do those people deserve to lose their money who will buy into a scam because of you? Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and pay them back from your own pocket?
I really can't understand your thinking. You seem to be a nice guy but your business actions are confusing. I remember that you have claimed to be a devout christian. Is this just a conspiracy to make people poor so they can get to heaven (http://steem.link/CYoCf)?
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HERO in now the 4th largest smartcoin issued on the Bitshares network with 1053% increase this week; going from a market cap of $10,541 USD to $122,849 USD
the beauty of trustless, decentralized experiments is that its success is not bound to a single person or group.
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This is interesting, let's see what Samupaha had to say in March 2015:
so only way to go forward is through trial and error. It is always easy to say afterwards that "we should have done things differently" but at the time of making those decisions, it's impossible to know what is the optimal way.
I'm actually quite impressed how well the developers have handled difficult decisions. Of course it will always give some distress to investors when plans are changed on the fly, but in the long run it is propably the only way to make sure that the end product will be great.
Let's see what Samupaha says June 2017:
Do those people deserve to lose their money who will buy into a scam because of you? Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and pay them back from your own pocket?
I really can't understand your thinking. You seem to be a nice guy but your business actions are confusing. I remember that you have claimed to be a devout christian. Is this just a conspiracy to make people poor so they can get to heaven (http://steem.link/CYoCf)?
I suggest Samupaha has turned into a troll and a bully and should have his account suspended. He's obviously trying to blame people for his own personal investment decisions and calling Stan's religious beliefs into question is crossing the line. This should not be tolerated.
Footnote: Any investor that uses his private cryptokeys to transfer funds, the onus is on him, before he does that... Buyer beware, and do you own due diligence. No one is responsible for the decisions you make but yourself when you invest in something. That's common sense.
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This is interesting, let's see what Samupaha had to say in March 2015:
so only way to go forward is through trial and error. It is always easy to say afterwards that "we should have done things differently" but at the time of making those decisions, it's impossible to know what is the optimal way.
I'm actually quite impressed how well the developers have handled difficult decisions. Of course it will always give some distress to investors when plans are changed on the fly, but in the long run it is propably the only way to make sure that the end product will be great.
Let's see what Samupaha says June 2017:
Do those people deserve to lose their money who will buy into a scam because of you? Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and pay them back from your own pocket?
I really can't understand your thinking. You seem to be a nice guy but your business actions are confusing. I remember that you have claimed to be a devout christian. Is this just a conspiracy to make people poor so they can get to heaven (http://steem.link/CYoCf)?
I suggest Samupaha has turned into a troll and a bully and should have his account suspended. He's obviously trying to blame people for his own personal investment decisions and calling Stan's religious beliefs into question is crossing the line. This should not be tolerated.
I for one am grateful to Samupaha for his questions and analysis. He is not calling Stan's religious beliefs into question but making light hearted joke.
No censorship please we are not government ;)
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Allow me to make my footnote a little more readable:
Any investor that uses his private cryptokeys to transfer funds, the onus is on him, before he does that... Buyer beware, and do you own due diligence. No one is responsible for the decisions you make but yourself when you invest in something. That's common sense.
He is not calling Stan's religious beliefs into question but making light hearted joke.
No censorship please we are not government ;)
Light, hearted joke? If Stan was Jamaican, and he made a light hearted joke about his blackness.... at what point does a "light hearted joke" cross the line?
The mere fact that he pulled Stan's christianity into the discussion, light hearted or not.. was wrong.
Up until now, yes, I agree, I was enjoying the banter and the forensic analysis of the offer from Matt Trainer.. But at some point, this became severely personal, and attack on Stan's character, his religion, and everyone was standing around watching this bloody fight. It's not right, and I refuse to watch the gore without saying something.
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no need to request bans here - we do not ban based on different opinions.
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no need to request bans here - we do not ban based on different opinions.
Oh great. So if I used my account to explain how much I think fav is a pedophile (which is a difference of opinion) that wouldn't be crossing the line?
Disclaimer: I do not think fav is a pedophile. I'm simply using an awful example of that at some point... to keep discussions on track and we not wildy attack one another in public, there has to be some sort of reasonable expectation of what is acceptable, and what isn't...
See, as long as two people are hashing things out in public.. on this forum, and there are no rules "for difference of opinion" it means anything goes, includes wild accusations, whether it be your religious beliefs, your skin color, your sexual preference (aka pedophilia) ...
Come on.. at some point, we need to put up certain boundaries and keep on topic and not cross lines..
TWO people holding their face to the fire over real issues is important. I agree. But let's not allow Stan's religious beliefs to be a topic of discussion. He shouldn't have to explain that to us, or defend it. It's his own private and personal belief and has no bearing on what we're talking about...
Do I really need to point out the obvious? sigh...
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which would be categorized as personal attacks, and unlike criticism on Ideas, I do not tolerate such behavior.
anyways, back to topic please, if you want, open a thread in Meta https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/board,15.0.html for discussing policies
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I suggest Samupaha has turned into a troll and a bully and should have his account suspended. He's obviously trying to blame people for his own personal investment decisions and calling Stan's religious beliefs into question is crossing the line. This should not be tolerated.
I'm not blaming anybody for my personal investments. So far I have successfully avoided all scam schemes. The reason why I warn other people is because it's the right thing to do. "Buyer beware" is good advice, but even better is to tell others when they should be especially beware. I don't care only about my money, I care about other people, too. I dislike to see other people scammed and deceived, that's why I try to warn them before it happens.
And the religious stuff? Well...
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/debenport/files/2016/02/trump.jpg)
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This is interesting, let's see what Samupaha had to say in March 2015:
so only way to go forward is through trial and error. It is always easy to say afterwards that "we should have done things differently" but at the time of making those decisions, it's impossible to know what is the optimal way.
I'm actually quite impressed how well the developers have handled difficult decisions. Of course it will always give some distress to investors when plans are changed on the fly, but in the long run it is propably the only way to make sure that the end product will be great.
Let's see what Samupaha says June 2017:
Do those people deserve to lose their money who will buy into a scam because of you? Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and pay them back from your own pocket?
I really can't understand your thinking. You seem to be a nice guy but your business actions are confusing. I remember that you have claimed to be a devout christian. Is this just a conspiracy to make people poor so they can get to heaven (http://steem.link/CYoCf)?
I suggest Samupaha has turned into a troll and a bully and should have his account suspended. He's obviously trying to blame people for his own personal investment decisions and calling Stan's religious beliefs into question is crossing the line. This should not be tolerated.
Footnote: Any investor that uses his private cryptokeys to transfer funds, the onus is on him, before he does that... Buyer beware, and do you own due diligence. No one is responsible for the decisions you make but yourself when you invest in something. That's common sense.
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No one should be banned for their opinion, obviously, but come on Samupaha -- let's see what Stan has in store and get the whole story before we jump to such conclusions here.
(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg?w=612)
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...the day when BitShares get's all the bored customers of Poloniex ;-)
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...the day when BitShares get's all the bored customers of Poloniex ;-)
We even have a trollbox! Polo can't say that. :P