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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:43:20 pm »
Folks are getting a bit short-sighted here.

The problem with diluting is that it sets precedent.

Diluting under the wise and benign rule of BM seems like a good idea because it satisfies short-term greed with no perceived downside.

Bitshares just prints some money to boost the economy.

Sound familiar?

Dilution, inflation, debasement... whatever you want to call it, the end result is always the same.

I state categorically that I3 and the Bitshares community have a moral imperative not to inflate/dilute/debase the share supply.

Doing so is akin to voting to be infected by a disease that will slowly kill BTSX.

A few will get wealthy in the short term, the masses will suffer in the long term.

We do not want to become the US Gov.

I3 has ample development funds that if spent wisely will get Bitshares to critical mass.

They need to get the client/trading platform sorted, phone apps pushed out, fiat gateways in place.

Then do a simple marketing campaign to the crypto crowd and perhaps a non-crypto-but-tech-savvy demographic (ie. Gen X/Y).

This should cause the market cap to increase substantially.

At that point, once the 'hey look at us' marketing is exhausted, they could consider using a referral system or other shenanigans to engage other demographics.

Low hanging fruit first.

Thank you OldMan! An insightful voice of clarity and reason!

I totally disagree. I lot of comments here that are not thought though. 

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:35:52 pm »
There are two issues at play here:

1) Should we issue more shares to fund marketing.
2) Is a $100 debit card bonus a worthwhile use of capital.

I see a lot of discussion on the merits of issuing new shares but almost nothing related to #2.

I think we need another thread to discuss the full detail plan, the controls, expectations, benchmarks, and costs and contengiencies.  If the plan is then resolved to the affirmative, the issue of how to finance it comes to the fore. 

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 04, 2014, 11:25:46 am »


Anyway, My 2 cents.

1. While dilution has its own concerns, I think the counter opinions trump it. 
a) We need to go hard or go home, or someone else will come and blow our space up.  We don't want to be 2nd best in the space that we (I use that term generously... more like you) invented. My experience is it is common for technologists to think great products sell themselves.  They never do in reality. Money for marketing needs to come from somewhere. Be it dilution, dev funds, or other. So you need to have a strategy for it no matter what the proposed marketing plan is... Be it referral program or other.   So what is BTSX's strategy for funding marketing?  You have to have one or you are toast to someone who does.

 +5% Very well said!

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 03, 2014, 09:40:28 pm »
Some are looking at this as a subsidy.  I look at this as the cost of jump starting the product.  I look as BitUSD a bit like an independent business and just as Bitshares had to offer attractive value in the form of future company profits/growth to initial investors in the form of BTS, bitUSD has to also offer value to jump start its business (network effect).  As I understand it, the program is not intended to go on into perpetuity, but to be limited to what is necessary to accrue the initial significant base for bitUSD, our main product.  If the profit potential holds, and I think it will,  its a no-brainer. 

THE NETWORK IS EVERYTHING.  Its the name of the game.  The winners will be the organizations who can build the biggest network the fastest.  The superiority of the technology is only a distance 2nd, so if this will give us that edge then lets do it!

I don’t like the expansion of supply anymore that the next guy, but if it is needed in order to achieve our potential then I’ll accept it. 

I keep in mind that BTSX is still experimental and that this is not the first 90 degree pivot we’ve made in our business plan since inception.  I recall BM’s change of the funding program from PTS to AGS and also the complete rework on the original security logarithm to the new excellent DPOS.  Both of these created a lot of contention at the time, but in retrospect most agree that they were ingenious moves.  So given that recored, BM has my support on this.  It is Bitshare’s flexibility and willingness to adjust to new information and learnings that is one of our greatest strengths. 

However I do think that we need 1) a clear plan 2) clear objectives 3) a precise measure of progress that is openly communicated and 4) quick initial results, in order to keep the BTSX market calm as much as possible about this radical change.     Also, I believe before initiation a contingency  plan should be in place stating value/time benchmarks for achieving certain goals. If certain early benchmarks are not met, the program can be considered unsuccessful and the remainder of the increased BTS can be redistributed back to the holders at the time of the fork. 

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:40:16 pm »

Marketing btsx as a currency is a mistake.   Market it as a virtual company that is raising money to grow.   


This statement makes a lot of sense to me.

 +5% +5%

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:19:23 pm »
* Any type of direct payment for user adoption will generate very bad PR


Another very important effort is to sponsor and have a strong presence at Bitcoin conferences (which we are currently doing). Having Dan as a keynote speaker at Inside Bitcoins does more in terms of marketing than anything I can think of. Many people in the Bitcoin community (and especially the shibes) know nothing about the advantages of BTSX. We need short, powerful, and pervasive messaging at these events.
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Need to think bigger than this.  We need to attract FAR more than the Bitcoin crowd for Bitshares to succeed like it should.  This product has far far more potential than you are giving it credit for. 

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:57:59 am »
support  bm

I too am willing to differ to BM on this...(at least until I understand it better).  However, I agree with TonyK that there should be some built in limits. 

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That looks like a great plan for your speech. I might suggest that in #11, when you are introducing BitShares, you also might also mention Ethereum and NXT, etc., as other examples of doing more with the blockchain. That might be a diplomatic transition to just mention them once, though not describe them any more than that. And then then go into BitShares. Best of luck; it's going to be great!

 +5%   I agree.  This is a good idea.

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:20:50 am »
So is this the big marketing "secret sauce" that everyone was so hush, hush about or is there an additional marketing plan? 

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ID: theangelwaveproject.


Thanks!

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General Discussion / Re: Back the BTSX with physical gold
« on: September 28, 2014, 11:24:37 am »
It's weird how some people think gold is the unique source of value.

Maybe Apple should back it's share with some gold ? Maybe you should put some gold in your basement to be sure your house has value ? Maybe you should mix some gold in your food to be sure that the food you eat is valuable ?

Value comes from the human mind, if some folks deemed a good valuable, then it's valuable, period. If you love gold, go buy some, but please stop thinking it's the only source of value, it's an economic nonsense.

Besides that, it's against the whole point of cryptos. We are here because Satoshi invented a decentralized way to exchange and store value, it's a reactonary idea to add centralization to the system.

Have you heard about e-gold ? It's so 2003, but you can still try it. Oh wait... actually you cannot, because it's was not viable.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Back the BTSX with physical gold
« on: September 28, 2014, 11:01:45 am »
Looks like everything is coming together perfectly but 1 common thought is that our BTSX are not backed by anything (not entirely true).

What if it was possible to set up a centralised bank and create a process, maybe a DAC or asset that by each purchase of a unit results in the equal purchase in physical gold held in vault to back the asset. That would not simply work as when the BTSX increase in value the cheaper BTSX would not be matched by XAU. There are many possibilities to do this creating a scalable and sustainable economy. I think this is a good idea. Am I crazy ?

Having the security of physical backing would give big money the confidence in our system. You know that your 1 BTSX is safely redeemable for 1g XAU.

As the market cap of BTSX increases, how would gold reserves match the peg? Perhaps delegate burn be better directed to increasing XAU reserves.

When bitshares themselves are collateralised then the whole economy becomes collateralised. If I knew my crypto was secure like this I would move all funds save my HSBC hot wallet.

A decentralised bank with central stability.


What is the gold your are backing BTSX with backed buy?   Answer: it's utility and it's scarcity. (About 10-15% use in jewlary and electronics and the rest it's utility as a store of value).   

 As it stands BTSX's value is backed by the exact same thing......it's (future) utility and it's scarcity. It dose not need external backing.   The only things that need backing are things like paper receipts which represent a value higher than itself.   Think of a ticket at a movie theater, backed by the value of the experiance of watching a movie.....a coat check receipt which is backed by the coat, etc.  The USD May be the ultimate receipt that should be backed, but sadly is not.

Lastly, the backing needing to be physical is of absolutely no consequence.  An asset it as asset,period.  I'm writing this post with software that has no physical component, however I don't think anyone would argue that it is not an asset and that it does not have utility/value.

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General Discussion / Re: Headline suggestions
« on: September 26, 2014, 10:04:32 pm »
HI James, I agree with the thought.  But I dont think it is going to make a bitcoiner click on that headline.   Perhaps....

Bitcoin is the killer blockchain currency app. What is the killer blockchain equity app? 

At present I am a leaning towards...
Option 1) I just had a huge aha moment for what blockchain, can provide.
Option 2) The revolution will not be centralized.

Thanks everyone for their suggestions.  Especially you Tonyk.  You made me feel like a dick, helping me with headlines here, and I am dressing you down on another post.  :)

Hi Bitmarket, the killer blockchain equity app is of course what you will be telling them about, Bitshares! :-)  My idea is simply a play on the Bitcoin name recognition.   

I do like your ideas, but they may require too much to think about to work as an entry line.  Then again, my name recognition thing my just be to simple and innocent for the die hard-crypto geeks out there.  Anyway I'm sure you will make a good decision.

 I enjoyed you previous video by the way.   

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Also, this gets to one of Bitshares most obvious weaknesses, which partly has to do with how new it is.  The mental overhead is way way way too high.  There is drastically too much to learn to get started and feel that you have a grasp of how to use it.  The client is way too complicated.  And there is too much redefining of terminology that really doesn't need to be redefined.  Making people learn complicated new terminology imposes mental overhead and retards adoption.  The client can obviously be streamlined with time (or alternatives be offered).  But the community doesn't seem to get how all the new terminology, which is really unnecessary, is seriously hurting them.  If you just said "BitShares is a new cryptocoin that is nearly instant, more secure, less wasteful, more anonymous, more decentralized, and where you can peg value to any currency or asset you like" that would be a lot more effective than talking about multiple "decentralized autonomous corporations", "crypto equities", "bank and exchange", etc.  All this attempt at changing the paradigm gets little and costs a lot.


Fuzzy, thanks for these very valuable comments.  Do you care to expound a bit more?  I'm listening. 

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First BTSX isn't just a little better than Bitcoin; it's orders of magnitude and solves fatal flaws.  Bitcoin can't stay at the top given the competition. 



The whole concept of Bitshares is precisely not to create another altcoin to compete with Bitcoin.

Bitshares upgrades existing assets with new features and benefits via cryptography and the decentralized ledger.

bitUSD etc. Are not an altcoins and will happily coexist with Bitcoin.

This is why Bitshares will succeed: Bitcoin will sell the masses on crypto-assets and BTSX will provide the diversification, yield and liquidity necessary for wide scale adoption.

The tech really is that good!

I like your thinking on this Oldman!  Your thinking aligns with my developing philosophy that Bitshares should be positioning Bitcoin as an ally (at least in these early stages) and not as an adversary as we tend to do now. 

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