I tried to fund my bitsharestalk account just to check it wasn't an issue with my twitter account.  Seems that funding accounts is down at the moment.  I am sure they will get this working again soon.  Please let me know when it is.

well from what im hearing in the background they have moved to ethereum.  if this is untrue id hope someone from their team would tell us so.

I would be shocked if anyone from their team told you anything.  Ever.

I have tried to remain respectful to bitcrab and others even when I disagree with them.  There have been some from both communities that have lowered themselves to making personal attacks.  I have stated that I find all of that distasteful, and we should work to remain civil.  Bitcrab has taken a large amount of abuse, and he has largely remained calm and professional.  I have more respect for bitcrab now than I did when he began this thread.

@hybridd I am having trouble depositing again.  Is the bot up?

Quote from: Akado on January 31, 2016, 06:51:58 pm

Quote from: yvv on January 31, 2016, 06:46:35 pm

Quote from: jakub on January 31, 2016, 10:43:49 am

Quote from: yvv on January 31, 2016, 02:02:43 am

Quote from: jakub on January 31, 2016, 01:06:30 am

So to answer your question: no, there is no way to create a new account and skip the referral fee.
The referral program would not make sense, if there was a way to avoid paying the referral fee.

So, I need to pay to ccedk (or fav or whoever) at least $80 just because I was signed up by them? Thanks a lot, I am going to skip this. And good luck with such a "smart" marketing.

I get your point @yvv .
I agree with you that, there should be an alternative option: a non-profit faucet run by the official BitShares website.
This way you could get LTM without paying anything to a third-party, you'd just pay 4k BTS straight to the network.
(I assume 4k is the current network fee for upgrading to LTM)

I think creating such a non-profit faucet is worth a worker proposal. I would support that.

I'd like to make myself clear, I am not against referral program. I participate in a bunch of them all the time. For example, if I refer a new tenant to my apartment leasing company, I get $300 from them. This is one time payment, which is about 20% of monthly rental fee. A new tenant is not forced to pay 80% of my rent, he pays just his regular monthly fee to the company. And of course he could go straight to the office, and make a deal with them directly. This is how referral program should work imo.

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Are you saying new users should just do a one time - but higher - payment to whoever refers them?

This is not what happens in the example which I described. In my example, a new user, whom I refer, pays regular fee to the company. And the company decides how much they want to reward me for bringing in new user. In my case, they cut my rent by 20% for one month. This is a pretty good motivation to advertise this company.

You do understand that you are paying higher rent than you would if your company did not have this referral program right?  Just because they don't state this doesn't make it untrue.  The money has to come from somewhere.  I am shocked that you are not angry that you are being overcharged by your landlord, and kept in rent slavery that you can only get out of by referring new renters.

Thanks Xeroc will do.  I should have checked git first. 

We are discussing it and fees.  Personally I would like to have more discussion about selling the assets and less about fees, but you don't always get what you want.  I just woke up, and have not read through the committee telegram chat yet.  Hopefully there is enough of a consensus that we can start the process today.

I just got a new laptop.  At this point I am running Ubuntu 15.10 due to 14.04 not having support for my wireless card.  I am running into a a bit of an issue with launching my local clients though.  I can run my witness_node, and it sync and replays just fine.  The issue is when I attempt to connect a cli_wallet to it.  My cli_wallet freezes, and it crashes my witness_node.  Has anyone run on 15.10.  Is there anything extra that needs to be done?  Anyone run into this cli_wallet connection kills the witness_node?  The gdb bt is below.

1641836ms th_a       database_api.cpp:186          database_api_impl    ] creating database api 760714960

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x7ffff4973700 (LWP 32437)]
0x0000000000f4f558 in websocketpp::processor::hybi13<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log>::consume(unsigned char*, unsigned long, std::error_code&) ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000000000f4f558 in websocketpp::processor::hybi13<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log>::consume(unsigned char*, unsigned long, std::error_code&) ()
#1  0x0000000000f2b189 in websocketpp::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log>::handle_read_frame(std::error_code const&, unsigned long) ()
#2  0x0000000000f00eb8 in websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config>::handle_async_read(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long) ()
#3  0x0000000000f18a25 in boost::asio::detail::completion_handler<boost::asio::detail::binder2<std::_Bind<std::_Mem_fn<void (websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config>::*)(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> (std::shared_ptr<websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config> >, std::_Placeholder<1>, std::_Placeholder<2>)>, boost::system::error_code, unsigned long> >::do_complete(boost::asio::detail::task_io_service*, boost::asio::detail::task_io_service_operation*, boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long) ()
#4  0x0000000000f18cce in void boost::asio::detail::strand_service::dispatch<boost::asio::detail::binder2<std::_Bind<std::_Mem_fn<void (websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config>::*)(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> (std::shared_ptr<websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config> >, std::_Placeholder<1>, std::_Placeholder<2>)>, boost::system::error_code, unsigned long> >(boost::asio::detail::strand_service::strand_impl*&, boost::asio::detail::binder2<std::_Bind<std::_Mem_fn<void (websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config>::*)(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> (std::shared_ptr<websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config> >, std::_Placeholder<1>, std::_Placeholder<2>)>, boost::system::error_code, unsigned long>&) ()
#5  0x0000000000f18e08 in std::_Function_handler<void (boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long), boost::asio::detail::wrapped_handler<boost::asio::io_service::strand, std::_Bind<std::_Mem_fn<void (websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config>::*)(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> (std::shared_ptr<websocketpp::transport::asio::connection<fc::http::detail::asio_with_stub_log::transport_config> >, std::_Placeholder<1>, std::_Placeholder<2>)>, boost::asio::detail::is_continuation_if_running> >::_M_invoke(std::_Any_data const&, boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long&&) ()
#6  0x0000000000f1a1bd in boost::asio::detail::read_op<boost::asio::basic_stream_socket<boost::asio::ip::tcp, boost::asio::stream_socket_service<boost::asio::ip::tcp> >, boost::asio::mutable_buffers_1, boost::asio::detail::transfer_at_least_t, websocketpp::transport::asio::custom_alloc_handler<std::function<void (boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> > >::operator()(boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long, int) ()
#7  0x0000000000f1a7c0 in boost::asio::detail::reactive_socket_recv_op<boost::asio::mutable_buffers_1, boost::asio::detail::read_op<boost::asio::basic_stream_socket<boost::asio::ip::tcp, boost::asio::stream_socket_service<boost::asio::ip::tcp> >, boost::asio::mutable_buffers_1, boost::asio::detail::transfer_at_least_t, websocketpp::transport::asio::custom_alloc_handler<std::function<void (boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long)> > > >::do_complete(boost::asio::detail::task_io_service*, boost::asio::detail::task_io_service_operation*, boost::system::error_code const&, unsigned long) ()
#8  0x0000000000f5fa8b in fc::asio::default_io_service_scope::default_io_service_scope()::{lambda()#1}::operator()() const ()
#9  0x0000000001098845 in thread_proxy ()
#10 0x00007ffff7bc26aa in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff4973700) at pthread_create.c:333
#11 0x00007ffff6c4aeed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:109
(gdb)