0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Ok great, now you all can bug them for transparency. I will too but it is all the voters' job
Once they make back their initial investment
Quote from: toast on January 20, 2015, 09:43:07 pmThey said they're working on it and would rather keep coding rather than address complaints. They will push their API wrapper when it is ready.Every 100% delegate should communicate with the community regularly.rather keep coding than address "complaints" was not an excuse.
They said they're working on it and would rather keep coding rather than address complaints. They will push their API wrapper when it is ready.
I just emailed them pointing to this thread.
Quote from: FBI on January 19, 2015, 08:12:02 pmHow do you prove you are from Blackwave?Toast vouched.As the number of delegates grow we would need a proper method of vetting and auditing them, maybe even get a couple of partial delegates for that.Currently I believe they are working on the wrapper which would take approx. 2 months and they will open source it. After that it depends if they have a plan. If they continue to have a delegate after that at the minimum we would request a *powered by BitShares tag on their website (as Yunbi has agreed to do).
How do you prove you are from Blackwave?
It's strange that I couldn't even find one single word about BTS on your websites or twitter, not to mention any gratitude about the fund support from BTS community. How do you prove you are from Blackwave?
$ pip install bts_tools
An api wrapper is worth the cost. Once that is complete we can re-examine whether the delegate is still worth it, but for now we really should vote these guys in.
黑潮实验室于2014年8月成立,我们目前雇佣了两个全职的开发人员以及一些兼职的客服人员,翻译者,设计者,和开发人员。
Hi Samantha,welcome on board! Guess you propose a 100% payrate delegate, right!?Pls add this to your proposal.------cass
眼下这个过程很有教育意义,我们已经学习到了更多关于如何运行不同的DACs。我们正在写一篇文章去讲述这个过程的详情,以及加上我们对比特股以及社区的分析到https://blackwavelabs.com 上。
请求一个受托人职位去建造开源的API包装器,还会将比特股的功能加到我们即将开源的账户系统里面(就像第一个帖子描述的那样)。
Very good! The fact that you plan to open source the API wrapper has me sold. Voting and promoting.------toast
In the current system, an independent contract worker would have to take on great risk for a commodity which many of the community will request is not liquidated. If in the rare event they are accepted, they have to wait a full two weeks before breaking even on their initial investment. This is not counting the amount of time necessary to campaign for the position in the first place, if that time is considered it could take a month to recover the costs of obtaining the position in the first place. Which may only last 2-3 months before being voted out by popular vote.
An api wrapper is worth the cost. Once that is complete we can re-examine whether the delegate is still worth it, but for now we really should vote these guys in.------toast
To again clarify, we plan on creating and releasing the API Wrapper and the other listed projects open source regardless if we are elected as a delegate. We propose that if the BitShares community offer support for our ongoing mission of promoting all innovative cryptocurrencies and providing high quality open source tools. Selecting our development group as a delegate, the community would allow us to allocate more resources to the listed projects (and other unannounced projects that are in planning) so that they can be completed quicker.
Welcome Blackwave Labs on board!Come on @all, calm down and let us grow together!Wasn't one of the main concerns about delegates that we can attract third party developers to join our community!?i see most of points of both sides... but at the end IMO we want all the same... let us get BitShares out to the masses…I'll vote for you! It just needs time to get elected.My delegate required more then 2 weeks to get elected by community votes...@Blackwave: if you'll need anything gfx related pls don't hesitate to contact me anytime. If possible pls PM me your skype id!cheerscass
I don't make this claim because I wasn't elected, I make this claim because there are a 10 delegates (1 being a test), way too many init* delegates taking up the 101 slots. Less than 778 USD a day is being invested into the human capital of this institution, which is more on the level of a small business. It also appears no one wants to acknowledge that they will have a hard time finding contracters when the system requires them to pay 885 USD (not counting the many hours the campaigning will take) for a chance to run, which most likely given the statistics will fail.
Instead the concerns almost entirely revolved around if we could hold the block rewards essentially indefinitely or focused on limiting their short term loses from inflation on their current holdings or being critical of other communities. The atmosphere here is generally unprofessional overall and absolutely falls short of the marketing slogan "the future of banking".
We will be stepping back as we do not have additional time to invest continually addressing this community repeatedly on the same points, but we will keep an eye on the project. Though we suspect some enterprising individuals will likely fork the codebase, give more attention to fair distirubution and come up with a more meaningful mission statement than make short term profit for early adopters and really take full advantage concept of DPOS.
saddly but it's true that many people short on vision.
And I do appreciate that, but the specific discussion in those quotes is more about how the system in place not does not offer the proper risk vs. reward to attract the type of contract worker that many in the community seem to desire. Please understand that I'm trying to understand BTS and the delegate system better and not just trying to be a delegate. I think the system is very good but I also think there is a lot of room for improvement. As it is now I fear that the current system does not work to attract smaller independent contractors (which we do not see ourselves as) who don't already have stake in BTS, these people could be very beneficial to BTS future.
Quote from: onceuponatime on January 06, 2015, 11:29:19 pmQuote from: Excoin on January 06, 2015, 11:23:43 pmQuote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmIt is pretty flexible. Shareholders have the possibility to approve / disapprove any kind of proposal. It really is not as flexible as you are claiming and you have not really provided proof to back up the claim. You just simply stated a known fact.Quote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmThe initial investment you have to front is proportional to the delegate pay you set. So if you have a 10% delegate you only pay 1/10 of what you pay for a 100% delegate. However for 200 USD a month what kind of contract worker are you expecting to hire? And you are still discounting the amount of time required for the independent contractor to make the proposal. And there is no guarantee they will get funded. The balance of risk vs reward is not worth it for most independent contracts who do not already have a large stake in BTS. Which goes back to my points made I earlier, to be fair I think improvements can fix the problems but I don't think right now you will not find many independent contracts eager to offer their services unless they already hold stake in BTS.This discussion has been interesting.However, in your case, I did offer to loan you the registration costs which you did not need to repay until elected. You didn't accept that offer.And I do appreciate that, but the specific discussion in those quotes is more about how the system in place not does not offer the proper risk vs. reward to attract the type of contract worker that many in the community seem to desire. Please understand that I'm trying to understand BTS and the delegate system better and not just trying to be a delegate. I think the system is very good but I also think there is a lot of room for improvement. As it is now I fear that the current system does not work to attract smaller independent contractors (which we do not see ourselves as) who don't already have stake in BTS, these people could be very beneficial to BTS future.
Quote from: Excoin on January 06, 2015, 11:23:43 pmQuote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmIt is pretty flexible. Shareholders have the possibility to approve / disapprove any kind of proposal. It really is not as flexible as you are claiming and you have not really provided proof to back up the claim. You just simply stated a known fact.Quote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmThe initial investment you have to front is proportional to the delegate pay you set. So if you have a 10% delegate you only pay 1/10 of what you pay for a 100% delegate. However for 200 USD a month what kind of contract worker are you expecting to hire? And you are still discounting the amount of time required for the independent contractor to make the proposal. And there is no guarantee they will get funded. The balance of risk vs reward is not worth it for most independent contracts who do not already have a large stake in BTS. Which goes back to my points made I earlier, to be fair I think improvements can fix the problems but I don't think right now you will not find many independent contracts eager to offer their services unless they already hold stake in BTS.This discussion has been interesting.However, in your case, I did offer to loan you the registration costs which you did not need to repay until elected. You didn't accept that offer.
Quote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmIt is pretty flexible. Shareholders have the possibility to approve / disapprove any kind of proposal. It really is not as flexible as you are claiming and you have not really provided proof to back up the claim. You just simply stated a known fact.Quote from: delulo on January 06, 2015, 10:09:41 pmThe initial investment you have to front is proportional to the delegate pay you set. So if you have a 10% delegate you only pay 1/10 of what you pay for a 100% delegate. However for 200 USD a month what kind of contract worker are you expecting to hire? And you are still discounting the amount of time required for the independent contractor to make the proposal. And there is no guarantee they will get funded. The balance of risk vs reward is not worth it for most independent contracts who do not already have a large stake in BTS. Which goes back to my points made I earlier, to be fair I think improvements can fix the problems but I don't think right now you will not find many independent contracts eager to offer their services unless they already hold stake in BTS.This discussion has been interesting.
It is pretty flexible. Shareholders have the possibility to approve / disapprove any kind of proposal.
The initial investment you have to front is proportional to the delegate pay you set. So if you have a 10% delegate you only pay 1/10 of what you pay for a 100% delegate.
I appreciate your work. However, compared with BTS, Nubits is like a scam. If nubits is also included on your exchange, I doubt your sense of judgement and loyalty to BTS.
is worth the cost
While I believe this is an interesting concept, the DPOS system as it exists now is not designed for this type of recruitment or employment.
I also think it is worth pointing out that in my experience organizations whose work force is made up primarily of temporary contract workers the products they produce are of inferior quality. It does not give creative developers a platform to create, and most importantly it does not provide the security needed to take risks and fail.
This is why you find successful technology based companies like google giving employees paid free time to work on their own projects or Bell's famous Bell Labs being funded with no expectations beyond giving engineers the freedom and security to create. The rewards for sponsoring these sort of activities are often unpredictable and potentially highly profitable.
It doesnt bother me whether you have nubits on your exchange.
And the ratio between dilution and long term advancement is relative and has to be efficient!
That would be specific enough to measure your work. Compare this to how it would work with a normal company: You are in the role of a contract worker (API Wrapper) that has the potential to become a long term partner for other projects (gateway maybe). I would never hire a contract worker if he/she didn't detail what I listed above.
I still highly appreciate your presence here (!)
In my opinion this is a mindset that Bitshares shareholders have to adopt to make their "company" work efficiently and efficiency is vastly important in a growth phase
I think, we don't want to give each a on-line BTS trading exchange set up pay100% Delegate? This is a very stupid ideaOr again, we will give every claim to promote BTS people set up pay100% Delegate? I saw a lot of fraud in the stagedWe can form a kind of atmosphere, to establish pay100% Delegate, register and open you are going to do, when after your success or achievement, and then ask you to voteAlso, the BM community share voting right, should not easily use, after must wait for community voting ends, and then consider whether it is necessary to vote, and vote should have a half-lifeI'm against almost all of the pay100% Delegate, including BM
You have my vote.
Your website promotes NuBits heavily.. Was BitUSD considered for this role? Have you talked with the leaders of our project?
Very good! The fact that you plan to open source the API wrapper has me sold. Voting and promoting.
Quote from: delulo on January 05, 2015, 02:17:48 pmKeep in mind that a 100% paid delegate is what core developers have at the moment which work for Bitshares exclusively, live in Blacksburg etc. Not only core developers who are working in Blacksburg but core developers who are working exclusively and full time for the BitShares ecosystem!
Keep in mind that a 100% paid delegate is what core developers have at the moment which work for Bitshares exclusively, live in Blacksburg etc.
Quote from: delulo on January 05, 2015, 02:17:48 pmI would vote if you - can lay out an estimate of what your estimated expenses would be and therefore for how long you will need a 100% paid delegate. - and promise to reduce the pay to 3% when the task is done. It would be nice if your requirements allowed for the possibility that, after developing a reputation for accomplishing one task, a delegate has the option of proposing another way to contribute without having to start over. Promising to unconditionally reduce to 3% may be counterproductive to our desire to attract long term talent.
I would vote if you - can lay out an estimate of what your estimated expenses would be and therefore for how long you will need a 100% paid delegate. - and promise to reduce the pay to 3% when the task is done.
Quote from: xeroc on January 05, 2015, 12:32:12 pmI don't understand the proposal ...what trading pairs do you offer?for a trading pairs like BTS/BTC or any other altcoin a positions as 100% pay delegate does not make sense to me as you can make your money from order fees ... the only thing that would make sense to be are fiat gateways ... so .. bitUSD/USD pairs .. do you offer those?Right now we don't offer any BTS related trading pairs because we don't have the required API wrappers written and modifications made to our accounting system. Currently our accounting system only supports Satoshi based clients. We are interested in adding bitCNY centric trading, where bitCNY is the currency and BTC, LTC, DRK, BTS, etc are the commodities.We will also open up BTC/BTS.To be clear, as we said in our original post, we are not asking for 100% pay rate to operate the Exchange. We (Blackwave Labs) who happen to operate an exchange are asking for delegation to build open source API wrappers and add BitShares functionality it to our soon to be open source accounting system. We are not amateur programmers, we are industry professionals that build very high quality software and have a proven track record of following through on projects to completion. We feel the positive affects from these projects being created on the ecosystem are valuable enough to want to assist funding their development and to ensure their completion happens faster.
I don't understand the proposal ...what trading pairs do you offer?for a trading pairs like BTS/BTC or any other altcoin a positions as 100% pay delegate does not make sense to me as you can make your money from order fees ... the only thing that would make sense to be are fiat gateways ... so .. bitUSD/USD pairs .. do you offer those?
I will vote for you if you promise to convert all of your delegate income to bitusd/bitcny/bitbtc/etc.. rather than dumping on the market, since the exchange you are running is supposed to be profitable.
I appreciate you proposal and the value it would bring to the crypto community as a whole. How long would you estimate that it would take to complete task 1), the API wrapper? Respectively how much money would you need for it (to hire someone (fulltime)) so we can estimate how long you would need a paid delegate?
You would also need to specify how much compensation you want for your delegate (between 0 and 100%). 100% would equal ~ 2000 USD per month at current market cap.
So if you estimate that you need 2000 USD to implement what you want to built for BitShares then you could say we would like to propose a 50% paid delegate for two month. If you do not do any active development work anymore on BitShares related objectives then you could promise to reduce the pay to 3% (normal security delegate pay) after the 2 month or say that you will do other valuable things like write articles or something for which you like to be compensated by x per month so that you keep the delegate at a 10% pay rate....and stay a delegate for as long as you keep up what you campaigned for.
Hi Samantha,welcome on board! Guess you propose a 100% payrate delegate, right!?Pls add this to your proposal.