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Quote from: Rune on October 30, 2014, 03:12:20 pmI stand by the fact that whoever controls the framework of communications in the DAC, are and will be the most powerful people. That's why I went to talk to fuzzy first - I needed to figure out if he was prone to corruption or not, and if he was willing to actively fight it. I guess it's a big advantage that he has the integrity to disclose basically any private conversation that he considers to be shady or with dishonest intentions... Even if that means that people on this forum will now think I'm some behind-the-scenes evil mastermind.It doesn't really matter to me in the long run. I have secured my stake, and I'm certain to become obscenely rich off all this. Anything I've done beyond that has simply been an attempt to help the DAC flesh out its workings from the beginning - once it gets off the ground and the ball gets rolling, the ideas and opinions of individual people will not matter much anymore, as in the long run capital will find its way to whoever are the best at allocating it profitably.Seriously? That's the reason?You come here and figure out if people are corrupt? Seems fuzz was correct all along ..Final comment on this:Take my Plonk .. you really deserve it!
I stand by the fact that whoever controls the framework of communications in the DAC, are and will be the most powerful people. That's why I went to talk to fuzzy first - I needed to figure out if he was prone to corruption or not, and if he was willing to actively fight it. I guess it's a big advantage that he has the integrity to disclose basically any private conversation that he considers to be shady or with dishonest intentions... Even if that means that people on this forum will now think I'm some behind-the-scenes evil mastermind.It doesn't really matter to me in the long run. I have secured my stake, and I'm certain to become obscenely rich off all this. Anything I've done beyond that has simply been an attempt to help the DAC flesh out its workings from the beginning - once it gets off the ground and the ball gets rolling, the ideas and opinions of individual people will not matter much anymore, as in the long run capital will find its way to whoever are the best at allocating it profitably.
Quote from: fuzzy on October 30, 2014, 01:31:19 pmagreed. Xeroc. I am not angry or upset with you. But I'd be lieing if I said it wasn't frustrating and demeaning to be approached in such a way by this new guy.If I may give you an advice: Don't take it seriously .. If someone told me to quit job (and he did to me too, btw) I'd just tell me openly that this will not happen any time soon .. period .. no need for discussion .. no need to be frustrated ..Writing this post here, however makes me understand your concerns ... How can he take the freedom to tell anybody what to do to earn money? Quit the job? Seriously? .. I DO understand the issue you are having with Rune! Just try to not take it personally! I know that is difficult sometimes!
agreed. Xeroc. I am not angry or upset with you. But I'd be lieing if I said it wasn't frustrating and demeaning to be approached in such a way by this new guy.
Quote from: xeroc on October 30, 2014, 10:58:12 am@Rune, I think you are trying to protect the network .. and that is good .. but the community seems to have found a consensus that secret or limited-access groups holding a majority (or big stake) in BTS and can thus "change politics" at will is dangerous or even plain suicidalAre we certain Xeroc? I have put a LOT into this community...just like you. It is hard to believe someone who comes in here advocating secret power blocks has "the entire community" in mind. Not to mention his opening line to me "you are going to be the most powerful man in bitshares". I am no fool. And he obviously doesn't know my motives align nowhere near his... I am going to fervently disagree with you...though I highly respect you. Be willing to be unpopular and say what you know in your gut. Put the pieces together. They fit quite well. At LEAST well enough to acknowledge something is amiss. There is a time when people need to draw the f'ing line and call a spade a spade. You are far too intelligent to fall for this scammer bullshit.
@Rune, I think you are trying to protect the network .. and that is good .. but the community seems to have found a consensus that secret or limited-access groups holding a majority (or big stake) in BTS and can thus "change politics" at will is dangerous or even plain suicidal
@Rune, I think you are trying to protect the network .. and that is good ..
but the community seems to have found a consensus that secret or limited-access groups holding a majority (or big stake) in BTS and can thus "change politics" at will is dangerous or even plain suicidal
Quote from: bytemaster on October 22, 2014, 09:44:25 pmI don't want to create a two class forum. Rune seems to be new around here (don't recognize the name from before)... I didn't even realize he proposed a merger lol. But currently there already are two different classes: I3 and all other stakeholders. To me it seems even more centralized to have the secret access be determined arbitrarily by those already on the inside, rather than through some objective measure.
I don't want to create a two class forum. Rune seems to be new around here (don't recognize the name from before)... I didn't even realize he proposed a merger lol.
Quote from: amencon on October 22, 2014, 09:26:01 pmQuote from: gamey on October 22, 2014, 06:23:52 pmQuote from: crypto_prometheus_81 on October 22, 2014, 04:39:22 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I think we are seeing "true colors" from a lot of people, out on display for all the community to see. Who can handle the intensity of the reality of what needs to be done? I am most impressed by the ones that haveaccepted this reality, even though it may have meant a temporary personal "loss". My observation is that those who hold most tightly to their "expectations", are the ones who cry the loudest when they find out the world does not revolve around them.I'm getting sick of Rune's thinly hidden cheerleading. The account is not even a month old and this person is condescending to people who have been around far longer, done far more, and bought into something completely different.He is telling us same cheerleading we heard before he was even around. It was not an honor or a privilege to have been early investors. We did this by making the correct decisions. Make those correct decisions required labor and intelligence. We worked for it. You probably came around after seeing BTSX on coinmarketcap. So save your bullshit for others.As for everything else it seems fairly close to a done deal. I'm not happy, but mainly it is over the cultural shift. It is likely required and likely a good thing. I just don't understand what exactly these "mergers" mean or what exactly they imply and it is a source of my irritation. The value equation is very complicated and depends on a lot of small factors which have been vague and scattered about. In the end I'd ask people to start being nicer. I'm sure Dan never really wanted it to turn out like this, and it really is as much a proactive move as reactive I believe. Yesterday I had a lot little jabs and snide posts. It is hard not to be that way. For me this pivot makes it harder to be a rah-rah fanboy as my vision isn't as much aligned with this single DAC centric one. I'd imagine it is like being a sports fan (whatever thats like) and seeing your whole team just die on the field. Ok.. not really.. I'm kidding.. Seriously though I will try to be more positive. We'll see where she goes as I can't see any other project as worthy of my time. :|If you look at the history Rune was in forefront pushing for the merger in the VOTE thread that started all this (I think Rune made the proposal before BM did). Now that he has what he wants he's trying to get everyone to shut up and just go along as quietly as possible. To help facilitate this he just has to shake the pompoms a few times to get the crowd going.On top of that in the confusion he's now also proposing a system where an elite few get access to secret forums for all the inside details from the devs. At what stake threshold to gain access does he propose, close to around the amount of stake he controls...It's just a bunch of manipulative bullshit, never let a good crisis go to waste and all that.Like everyone else, at the very least I've not been bored haha.Okay first of all, we are stakeholders in the same company. Our goal of increasing value should align, and it would make no sense for me to act in a way puts you at a disadvantage, as I'd also be hurting myself. If you think it would be more profitable for us to have several DACs, and that I have hurt you financially then fine you are right to be mad at me, but you have to understand that I did it only with the best intentions of increasing value for everyone (including myself). Ideologically, I would prefer many DACs, but in practice I don't think any other strategy than a superDAC is economically viable. If we did not make the superDAC, someone else would, and their superDAC would outcompete ours. Do you trust that other random community to be as honest as ours? My experience tells me that most other altcoins have pretty horrible pump n dump communities that put profit above everything else compared to this one. Since there is no other way, what I hope to achieve is that our superDAC is created in a way that stays true to the principles of decentralization. I'm of course also very excited to see what it will end up becoming.Regarding the insider club, you're right that it's a bad thing, but consider that right now the insider club is I3 with no transparency at all. I would prefer to have absolute transparency with nothing being hidden from anyone with no barriers to entry whatsoever, and I hope we can implement that once we have achieved significant network effect. Right now it seems that I3 employees thinks it is vital to keep a lot of information secret to avoid having it stolen by competitors. I trust their judgement in this regard, even if I don't like it, and that is why I proposed the "secret insider club" of large stakeholders to be able to share this sensitive information, so that there at least are people independent from the developers who are able to hear it and report their sentiments to the broader community.I guess delegates could also be used for this regard, but I suspect that delegates will devolve into politics and we would then be stuck with this secret insider club political elite that I think could go really bad.The fact that I conveniently decided to put the bar exactly so that I could join the secret insider club was pretty stupid I guess, but in the end it would be up to I3 to decide who to let in on their secrets, and also since I'm the only member of the community that I know for a fact could be trusted to be honest and transparent about relaying what stage these secret projects are at, I just can't help be biased. I know the fact that I trust myself useless for everyone else but I just wanted to voice my thought process. At least I disclosed my share, it would be worse if I conveniently put my proposal at my own share level without disclosing it and then pretended it was for some other reason.In the end I already own enough shares to become ridiculously wealthy once this blockchain takes off. I could just sit back and do nothing and I'm sure there'd be massive price bubbles regardless, but I feel compelled to argue for as much transparency as possible, and try to push the DAC in the direction that I am convinced is best for everyone. It's quite disheartening to become the target of hostility. That being said I also realize that I'm unfairly lucky to be a purely BTSX investor, and I've been insensitive to the frustrations of those that held other shares, and for that I'm sorry.
Quote from: gamey on October 22, 2014, 06:23:52 pmQuote from: crypto_prometheus_81 on October 22, 2014, 04:39:22 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I think we are seeing "true colors" from a lot of people, out on display for all the community to see. Who can handle the intensity of the reality of what needs to be done? I am most impressed by the ones that haveaccepted this reality, even though it may have meant a temporary personal "loss". My observation is that those who hold most tightly to their "expectations", are the ones who cry the loudest when they find out the world does not revolve around them.I'm getting sick of Rune's thinly hidden cheerleading. The account is not even a month old and this person is condescending to people who have been around far longer, done far more, and bought into something completely different.He is telling us same cheerleading we heard before he was even around. It was not an honor or a privilege to have been early investors. We did this by making the correct decisions. Make those correct decisions required labor and intelligence. We worked for it. You probably came around after seeing BTSX on coinmarketcap. So save your bullshit for others.As for everything else it seems fairly close to a done deal. I'm not happy, but mainly it is over the cultural shift. It is likely required and likely a good thing. I just don't understand what exactly these "mergers" mean or what exactly they imply and it is a source of my irritation. The value equation is very complicated and depends on a lot of small factors which have been vague and scattered about. In the end I'd ask people to start being nicer. I'm sure Dan never really wanted it to turn out like this, and it really is as much a proactive move as reactive I believe. Yesterday I had a lot little jabs and snide posts. It is hard not to be that way. For me this pivot makes it harder to be a rah-rah fanboy as my vision isn't as much aligned with this single DAC centric one. I'd imagine it is like being a sports fan (whatever thats like) and seeing your whole team just die on the field. Ok.. not really.. I'm kidding.. Seriously though I will try to be more positive. We'll see where she goes as I can't see any other project as worthy of my time. :|If you look at the history Rune was in forefront pushing for the merger in the VOTE thread that started all this (I think Rune made the proposal before BM did). Now that he has what he wants he's trying to get everyone to shut up and just go along as quietly as possible. To help facilitate this he just has to shake the pompoms a few times to get the crowd going.On top of that in the confusion he's now also proposing a system where an elite few get access to secret forums for all the inside details from the devs. At what stake threshold to gain access does he propose, close to around the amount of stake he controls...It's just a bunch of manipulative bullshit, never let a good crisis go to waste and all that.Like everyone else, at the very least I've not been bored haha.
Quote from: crypto_prometheus_81 on October 22, 2014, 04:39:22 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I think we are seeing "true colors" from a lot of people, out on display for all the community to see. Who can handle the intensity of the reality of what needs to be done? I am most impressed by the ones that haveaccepted this reality, even though it may have meant a temporary personal "loss". My observation is that those who hold most tightly to their "expectations", are the ones who cry the loudest when they find out the world does not revolve around them.I'm getting sick of Rune's thinly hidden cheerleading. The account is not even a month old and this person is condescending to people who have been around far longer, done far more, and bought into something completely different.He is telling us same cheerleading we heard before he was even around. It was not an honor or a privilege to have been early investors. We did this by making the correct decisions. Make those correct decisions required labor and intelligence. We worked for it. You probably came around after seeing BTSX on coinmarketcap. So save your bullshit for others.As for everything else it seems fairly close to a done deal. I'm not happy, but mainly it is over the cultural shift. It is likely required and likely a good thing. I just don't understand what exactly these "mergers" mean or what exactly they imply and it is a source of my irritation. The value equation is very complicated and depends on a lot of small factors which have been vague and scattered about. In the end I'd ask people to start being nicer. I'm sure Dan never really wanted it to turn out like this, and it really is as much a proactive move as reactive I believe. Yesterday I had a lot little jabs and snide posts. It is hard not to be that way. For me this pivot makes it harder to be a rah-rah fanboy as my vision isn't as much aligned with this single DAC centric one. I'd imagine it is like being a sports fan (whatever thats like) and seeing your whole team just die on the field. Ok.. not really.. I'm kidding.. Seriously though I will try to be more positive. We'll see where she goes as I can't see any other project as worthy of my time. :|
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I think we are seeing "true colors" from a lot of people, out on display for all the community to see. Who can handle the intensity of the reality of what needs to be done? I am most impressed by the ones that haveaccepted this reality, even though it may have meant a temporary personal "loss". My observation is that those who hold most tightly to their "expectations", are the ones who cry the loudest when they find out the world does not revolve around them.
You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I don't say these things because naive people paint you in the overly paranoid category. but yea...........20 posts a day all rah-rah bullshit and we must know the details of every employee paid via inflation. LOL. WTF !
Quote from: tonyk on October 22, 2014, 08:47:54 pmAm I the only one as exited as scared and as scared as exited?Hell no .. you are not!
Am I the only one as exited as scared and as scared as exited?
The delegate campaigning is going to get more and more fierce and discussion among stakeholders on who to vote for will keep increasing. There will need to be some kind of social platform other than this forum to do all this. This whole thing is so exciting, I mean its a first of its kind! Decentralised self-governance is my go to explanation for how to save the world (besides being really really nice to each other ) and bitshares is looking to become a vital experiment in bringing about that vision!My thoughts go to, what social platform to use, liquid democracy from the german pirate party? DemocacyOS? There are lots of them out there. Or maybe the VOTE features will cover it. That may be a discussion for another day, it's pretty intense around here. I just want to point out that enthusiasm can be real and not purely money-motivated!
Rune seems to be new around here (don't recognize the name from before)... I didn't even realize he proposed a merger lol.
I'm tired of seeing all the squealing and moaning about percentage this and percentage that, and the petty infighting of people who complain they didn't get enough of the pie, arguing that they should get more of some other guys piece.Look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are making.A couple of years from now, you will have wealth that is completely unfathomable to you now. It will not make any difference if your current stake is cut in half, or cut into tenths - you will have more money than you could ever possibly spend.You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.The last thing BM and the team need to worry about right now are people moaning on the forums. There are space ships to build, and until they're built and safely in interstellar space there is no time to spend on ANYTHING else.You got in at the ground. Now help build the ground floor. And then the top floor. And then the biggest freaking crypto-rocket the world has ever seen.If you want to take on your responsibility as a stakeholder, then go read the thread about transparency measures (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10301.0) and help envision how YOU, as a stakeholder, can help govern this ship.
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 07:58:12 pmQuote from: Stan on October 22, 2014, 07:06:45 pmQuote from: MeTHoDx on October 22, 2014, 06:55:48 pmQuote from: Ander on October 22, 2014, 06:51:14 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmI'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.There is going to be forum drama when some poeple just took a huge loss and others didnt.Hopefully Bytemaster's new modification will make everyone happy and we can all move forward together. Huge loss confirmed. On another note, we should end the class system that has emerged in this community.I'm not quite sure what you mean by "class system" but by the end of the year I3 will have approximately zero employees. Everybody will be going to work for BTS the MegaDAC. All of us will be employees (or small businesses) the shareholders can fire via the delegate selection mechanism.I'm not quite sure what it will be like to work for an unmanned company, but that should put us all in about the same class boat.What is the rationale for having entire companies be delegates? It spreads out risk and makes it more difficult for stakeholders to determine if they can trust them or not. What to do in the situation where 3 people have a delegate together, 2 of them excellent workers and one of them bad?I see no reason for there to be any middlemen between the work done for the DAC and the payment received for that work. More importantly, if the DAC has already decided that it trusts a person enough to hire him as an employee, it will also trust him enough to run a trusted node in the network. It is irrational to not leverage this trust to increase decentralization by having all employees run delegates.If a desired employee isn't technically able to run a delegate, instead if making exceptions the DAC should simply expend the resources necessary to teach the employee to run the delegate. The amount of value generated from absolute transparency and absolute stakeholder control should make these two things the highest priority for a DAC, in my opinion.Well you can certainly vote that way and evangelize your beliefs to others.I'll give you some simple examples:Example 1. While those of our staff who are public facing can develop their own reputation and become independent delegates, what about support staff? Are business people and accountants and legal support and custodian and IT support folks supposed to occupy individual delegate slots?Example 2: As competition heats up, some of the beloved personalities on this forum might want to band together as a delegate team where each of them individually might not carry enough celebrity weight to get elected by themselves.Example 3: BitSapphier is the company that maintains this forum. Its a composite of perhaps several people that work part time to keep things running.Example 4: Last I looked ABL and Toast teamed up to be a delegate - Toast handled the technical side and ABL handled the celebrity side. I expect this to be a common delegate model.Bottom line, its a competition to put together 101 valuable services for the industry. Competition breeds excellence and excellence breeds a far better future than burning your minting fees in the fiery Cracks of Mt. Doom.
Quote from: Stan on October 22, 2014, 07:06:45 pmQuote from: MeTHoDx on October 22, 2014, 06:55:48 pmQuote from: Ander on October 22, 2014, 06:51:14 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmI'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.There is going to be forum drama when some poeple just took a huge loss and others didnt.Hopefully Bytemaster's new modification will make everyone happy and we can all move forward together. Huge loss confirmed. On another note, we should end the class system that has emerged in this community.I'm not quite sure what you mean by "class system" but by the end of the year I3 will have approximately zero employees. Everybody will be going to work for BTS the MegaDAC. All of us will be employees (or small businesses) the shareholders can fire via the delegate selection mechanism.I'm not quite sure what it will be like to work for an unmanned company, but that should put us all in about the same class boat.What is the rationale for having entire companies be delegates? It spreads out risk and makes it more difficult for stakeholders to determine if they can trust them or not. What to do in the situation where 3 people have a delegate together, 2 of them excellent workers and one of them bad?I see no reason for there to be any middlemen between the work done for the DAC and the payment received for that work. More importantly, if the DAC has already decided that it trusts a person enough to hire him as an employee, it will also trust him enough to run a trusted node in the network. It is irrational to not leverage this trust to increase decentralization by having all employees run delegates.If a desired employee isn't technically able to run a delegate, instead if making exceptions the DAC should simply expend the resources necessary to teach the employee to run the delegate. The amount of value generated from absolute transparency and absolute stakeholder control should make these two things the highest priority for a DAC, in my opinion.
Quote from: MeTHoDx on October 22, 2014, 06:55:48 pmQuote from: Ander on October 22, 2014, 06:51:14 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmI'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.There is going to be forum drama when some poeple just took a huge loss and others didnt.Hopefully Bytemaster's new modification will make everyone happy and we can all move forward together. Huge loss confirmed. On another note, we should end the class system that has emerged in this community.I'm not quite sure what you mean by "class system" but by the end of the year I3 will have approximately zero employees. Everybody will be going to work for BTS the MegaDAC. All of us will be employees (or small businesses) the shareholders can fire via the delegate selection mechanism.I'm not quite sure what it will be like to work for an unmanned company, but that should put us all in about the same class boat.
Quote from: Ander on October 22, 2014, 06:51:14 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmI'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.There is going to be forum drama when some poeple just took a huge loss and others didnt.Hopefully Bytemaster's new modification will make everyone happy and we can all move forward together. Huge loss confirmed. On another note, we should end the class system that has emerged in this community.
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmI'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.There is going to be forum drama when some poeple just took a huge loss and others didnt.Hopefully Bytemaster's new modification will make everyone happy and we can all move forward together.
I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.
Quote from: crypto_prometheus_81 on October 22, 2014, 07:55:02 pmI'm not trying to pick a fight, but Gamey, didn't you just get done saying "in the end, I'd ask people to start being nicer" Let Rune have his fun. Since when did optimism become such a threat? Even if some of it might be unfounded....It isn't the optimism, it is the talk about other's behavior being embarrassing when they're fighting for their investments and giving up part of the ideals that were presented to them. That isn't exactly true, but it is close enough without going into verbose mode. It is also irritating, telling people they are lucky, when they put a lot of effort into making their decisions, far before the BTSX crowd showed up. Optimism alone is fine, but when he mixes it up with the latter, then it becomes very irritating to me and I'm still not back to non-cranky mode.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but Gamey, didn't you just get done saying "in the end, I'd ask people to start being nicer" Let Rune have his fun. Since when did optimism become such a threat? Even if some of it might be unfounded....
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 07:27:33 pmQuote from: gamey on October 22, 2014, 06:53:19 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.The bolded is embarrassing. Then telling everyone they are lucky. No, we were smart and took the largest risks. Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.No amount of intelligence or risk makes a human deserve the amount of money we are going to get. I can see where you're coming from, it actually does look like I'm kissing ass, and I admit it's over the top. With "the greatest gift there is", what I meant was in a monetary sense... I'm having a hard time imagining if any individual humans have ever had access to the amount of wealth we few early adopters are going to get access to. I imagine all the things that BTS is going to do and get carried away... But really, for us to be a part of it is just luck. We were in the right place at the right time, lucky enough to possess the right skills to understand the significance of what was in front of us. In the end it is no different than someone being born to riches, or being born exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally good looking. It's even the same with bytemaster. He's lucky he is smart enough to have the ideas he has, and he knows that with that power comes an equally large responsibility.Calling it luck means acknowledging that with the massive payoff we are going to get, we have to give something back, we have a responsibility to take what is given to us, and we have to make sure it is used for good. It saddens me that people will still fight each other for the scraps even in the face of the insane payoff we will get, and it makes me realize that even the new system we are building might fall into the same traps as all others before it. Then again I guess my problem is that I'm unable to acknowledge that not all people see things the same way I do. Obviously someone who doesn't realize that our success is close to certain at this point will be outraged at the losses.God you are full of it.It isn't "just luck". I find it very offensive given how much I put into learning various crypto-stuff before settling on a team I believed in. You came in here really really recently after a lot of the risk was removed. Please, spare us. People arguing about the %s is to be expected. It is no worse than the vacant air escaping your fingers. It will die off when it dies off and not because of your added noise.
Quote from: gamey on October 22, 2014, 06:53:19 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.The bolded is embarrassing. Then telling everyone they are lucky. No, we were smart and took the largest risks. Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.No amount of intelligence or risk makes a human deserve the amount of money we are going to get. I can see where you're coming from, it actually does look like I'm kissing ass, and I admit it's over the top. With "the greatest gift there is", what I meant was in a monetary sense... I'm having a hard time imagining if any individual humans have ever had access to the amount of wealth we few early adopters are going to get access to. I imagine all the things that BTS is going to do and get carried away... But really, for us to be a part of it is just luck. We were in the right place at the right time, lucky enough to possess the right skills to understand the significance of what was in front of us. In the end it is no different than someone being born to riches, or being born exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally good looking. It's even the same with bytemaster. He's lucky he is smart enough to have the ideas he has, and he knows that with that power comes an equally large responsibility.Calling it luck means acknowledging that with the massive payoff we are going to get, we have to give something back, we have a responsibility to take what is given to us, and we have to make sure it is used for good. It saddens me that people will still fight each other for the scraps even in the face of the insane payoff we will get, and it makes me realize that even the new system we are building might fall into the same traps as all others before it. Then again I guess my problem is that I'm unable to acknowledge that not all people see things the same way I do. Obviously someone who doesn't realize that our success is close to certain at this point will be outraged at the losses.
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.The bolded is embarrassing. Then telling everyone they are lucky. No, we were smart and took the largest risks. Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.
You act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 07:27:33 pmQuote from: gamey on October 22, 2014, 06:53:19 pmQuote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 06:44:29 pmYou act like being an early adopter is a privilege, that you deserve everything you can get your hands on. Let me tell you it is not. It is a gift, maybe the greatest gift anyone has ever received - and it is time that you take on the responsibility that goes along with it.I'm a cheerleader, yes. Not for Dan though, my allegiance lies with blockchain technology and nowhere else. The superDAC happens to be the optimal incarnation of blockchain tech, and Dan is the harbinger that will made it manifest into this world. This is the real beginning of what Satoshi started, and how de we celebrate this event? With forum drama. I just can't help but find it embarrassing.The bolded is embarrassing. Then telling everyone they are lucky. No, we were smart and took the largest risks. Your ass kissing is disgusting and probably has some motive down the road.No amount of intelligence or risk makes a human deserve the amount of money we are going to get. I can see where you're coming from, it actually does look like I'm kissing ass, and I admit it's over the top. With "the greatest gift there is", what I meant was in a monetary sense... I'm having a hard time imagining if any individual humans have ever had access to the amount of wealth we few early adopters are going to get access to. I imagine all the things that BTS is going to do and get carried away... But really, for us to be a part of it is just luck. We were in the right place at the right time, lucky enough to possess the right skills to understand the significance of what was in front of us. In the end it is no different than someone being born to riches, or being born exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally good looking. It's even the same with bytemaster. He's lucky he is smart enough to have the ideas he has, and he knows that with that power comes an equally large responsibility.Calling it luck means acknowledging that with the massive payoff we are going to get, we have to give something back, we have a responsibility to take what is given to us, and we have to make sure it is used for good. It saddens me that people will still fight each other for the scraps even in the face of the insane payoff we will get, and it makes me realize that even the new system we are building might fall into the same traps as all others before it. Then again I guess my problem is that I'm unable to acknowledge that not all people see things the same way I do. Obviously someone who doesn't realize that our success is close to certain at this point will be outraged at the losses. for unbridled optimism in the face of uncertainty. I must admit, I too have been feeling a greater and greater sense of optimism as I've watched the devs navigate through this latest hurdle.
Smart people making difficult decisions along an unpaved road.
Quote from: Rune on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pmA couple of years from now, you will have wealth that is completely unfathomable to you now.That's exactly the kind of argument I've seen for every other shitcoin out there. You're not doing anyone a favour by dragging BTSX down to that level.
A couple of years from now, you will have wealth that is completely unfathomable to you now.
Look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are making.The last thing BM and the team need to worry about right now are people moaning on the forums. There are space ships to build, and until they're built and safely in interstellar space there is no time to spend on ANYTHING else.