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Quote from: gamey on December 16, 2014, 02:28:21 amAll we need to know is what Brian and his team have been working on if anything. We need to hear of what content has been created. Obviously they have been developing things waiting for the 1.0 release and people from the community need to be shown this.We don't need multiple people having access to their email and skype logs and other things. We just need to see the work they have done in preparation.We're not trying to uncover a crime.This elaborate audit thing will just get us away from what is a quite simple situation. Brian should be able to show all the work he has done in preperation. If he can't, then remove his bonus program because it is obvious our donations are not going towards what was anticipated when people donated. Then we re-appropriate the yet to be transferred donations to something that shows far more potential effectiveness and value.
All we need to know is what Brian and his team have been working on if anything. We need to hear of what content has been created. Obviously they have been developing things waiting for the 1.0 release and people from the community need to be shown this.We don't need multiple people having access to their email and skype logs and other things. We just need to see the work they have done in preparation.We're not trying to uncover a crime.This elaborate audit thing will just get us away from what is a quite simple situation. Brian should be able to show all the work he has done in preperation. If he can't, then remove his bonus program because it is obvious our donations are not going towards what was anticipated when people donated. Then we re-appropriate the yet to be transferred donations to something that shows far more potential effectiveness and value.
Quote from: sschechter on December 16, 2014, 05:19:49 pmWhat does 'in light of recent events' mean? Did something actually happen or does this just refer to people bitching about the BP and the official marketing effort?It's people bitching... people who are way too in love with their investments and most likely betting more than they can afford to lose. An old trading rule is never fall in love, it clouds your judgement. This is very common though in almost every asset class.
What does 'in light of recent events' mean? Did something actually happen or does this just refer to people bitching about the BP and the official marketing effort?
It's people bitching... people who are way too in love with their investments and most likely betting more than they can afford to lose. An old trading rule is never fall in love, it clouds your judgement. This is very common though in almost every asset class.
Quote from: islandking on December 16, 2014, 05:26:04 pmQuote from: bobmaloney on December 16, 2014, 01:38:53 amThis would be the perfect time to attempt to bring Andreas onto the Bitshares team by offering him a purposeful delegate position.Sent from the tiny wrinkles in my brain via mind bullets!Yes I agree someone should reach out to Andreas.Andreas?
Quote from: bobmaloney on December 16, 2014, 01:38:53 amThis would be the perfect time to attempt to bring Andreas onto the Bitshares team by offering him a purposeful delegate position.Sent from the tiny wrinkles in my brain via mind bullets!Yes I agree someone should reach out to Andreas.
This would be the perfect time to attempt to bring Andreas onto the Bitshares team by offering him a purposeful delegate position.Sent from the tiny wrinkles in my brain via mind bullets!
I think the root of this problem is Brian's failure to engage the community on the same level as other core BTS team members, rather than a need to know what he has or has not done with funds.Most of the BTS dev team has a high level of engagement with the community.The community expects transparency, and so it should, however marketing is one area where it is not necessarily in the best interests of the shareholders to be transparent.Even Methodx took his marketing efforts to an invite-only forum... and his presence in the open forum has since diminished considerably.Brian could do a better job of posting updates and being more active in the community.That said, I think a forensic audit *after* Brian's marketing strategy goes live is a great idea and would certainly help with deciding who gets a marketing delegate position going forward...
Quote from: charleshoskinson on December 16, 2014, 03:04:59 amWasn't he paid with community funds? Namely AGS?No. He was paid with donated funds.A better question for us all to be asking is how Brian Page's weight compares to that of a duck.Quoting myself from another thread:Quote from: Troglodactyl on December 16, 2014, 01:00:30 am...Also, everyone please bear in mind that agreements already made with Brian Page are effectively a sunk cost. Complaining about them will not make them go away, and destructive criticism can only reduce the return on that cost, if it has any impact at all. The only logical response in my opinion is to give him the benefit of the doubt and support him with constructive criticism, advice, and at least any assistance that does not hinder other efforts. I honestly believe that Brian wants to help make BitShares more successful, but even if you believe he doesn't, attacks against him accomplish nothing.
Wasn't he paid with community funds? Namely AGS?
...Also, everyone please bear in mind that agreements already made with Brian Page are effectively a sunk cost. Complaining about them will not make them go away, and destructive criticism can only reduce the return on that cost, if it has any impact at all. The only logical response in my opinion is to give him the benefit of the doubt and support him with constructive criticism, advice, and at least any assistance that does not hinder other efforts. I honestly believe that Brian wants to help make BitShares more successful, but even if you believe he doesn't, attacks against him accomplish nothing.
Ok first of all this is not a community issue nor some great crime. This is my issue because I was the one who hired them. There will be no audit or committee. It is my job to make the best of the situation.
With the network outage today I am actually quite happy that the marketing push has not happened yet.Get 1.0 first - and get it soon.
What amazes me is that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was able to do what "I3" can't. And that is, see a true anomaly in finance Pierce through Walls and barriers without worrying about who pays him for his contributions. Maybe early coins future wealth had him, or maybe altruism. I see neither here. I divest at a loss with a loss for further words....
Quote from: charleshoskinson on December 16, 2014, 03:04:59 amWasn't he paid with community funds? Namely AGS?There are no community funds. No strings attached donations. I try to do the best by them, but it isn't always possible to know in advance who will deliver.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 amI I think everyone just needs to relax... Obviously the crypto bear market is weighing on everyone. Bp is more of a regular guy trying to target regular people. It would make no sense if he started marketing bts to Joe six pack before 1.0... It would do much more damage if the main marketing push was going on while all these changes and forks are happening. How is bp suppose to constantly explain to people that network shutdowns, rebranding, air drops and that it takes 3 transactions to buy bts and 4 to buy bitusd is normal. U guys were all on board with his marketing strategy earlier and a from what I can tell the plan has been consistent.I have strong thoughts on what could have been done prior, however, it doesn't help us today. Nullstreet is pressing forward, BP is meeting with BM, Adam is updating the community and Method-X is requesting coordinating efforts with Adam.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12329.0Let's start here.
I I think everyone just needs to relax... Obviously the crypto bear market is weighing on everyone. Bp is more of a regular guy trying to target regular people. It would make no sense if he started marketing bts to Joe six pack before 1.0... It would do much more damage if the main marketing push was going on while all these changes and forks are happening. How is bp suppose to constantly explain to people that network shutdowns, rebranding, air drops and that it takes 3 transactions to buy bts and 4 to buy bitusd is normal. U guys were all on board with his marketing strategy earlier and a from what I can tell the plan has been consistent.
Wasn't he paid with community funds? Namely AGS?[/quoteThere are no community funds. No strings attached donations. I try to do the best by them, but it isn't always possible to know in advance who will deliver.
If you're going to host a proper audit, then I'd suggest the following:Select an odd number of auditors from the community who do not have a direct connection to the current marketing teamProvide the auditors with unrestricted access to all relevant emails, skype logs, financial records, and paperwork pertaining to the subjects being auditedDraft and sign a privacy and disclosure agreement for the auditorsSolicit from the community a list of concerns and questions they want addressedHave the auditors draft a report containing at least the following sections:A monthly timeline of actions taken by the marketing teamA financial summary and timeline of funds spent by and for marketing alongside supporting comments from the marketing teamSummarize the marketing strategy(ies) pursued and how success was to be judgedList the data sources marketing curated to measure effectiveness of their effortsRecommendations from the AuditorsThe final report should be publicly released and available to the entire community for review and comments. The marketing team should also have the freedom to first review the report prior to release in order to prepare a response to the findings.That's off the top of my head. Probably more to cover.
This would be the perfect time to attempt to bring Andreas onto the Bitshares team and offering him a purposeful delegate position.Sent from the tiny wrinkles in my brain via mind bullets!
I also hate accounting. I can give a competent cost analysis on his marketing expenditures though.
Audit a good idea. See if they concur with BM's assessment. However, auditors are usually independet and vetted for conflicts of interest. Methodx may stand to benefit from a harsh assessment...not sure about Charles as I came here after he left already.
I'd be happy to audit the marketing team.
this summer