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Tonyk has brought a few things to this forum and community:

(1) Negative attacks, some of them personal, and many of them probably misplaced. Shit posts are one way to let off steam, but they are not harmless.

(2) A sharp wit and sense of humor that is sadly lacking here much of the time. Come on, this can be a pretty dry crowd. Plenty of readers don't pick up more than 50% of what Tony is saying. He runs circles around some of you guys. Have some fun. Definitely one of the reasons I stay tuned.

(3) Passion for BitShares. He cares about this project as much as anyone here.

(4) Constructive critique. Tony calls a spade a spade. Sometimes, he casts too wide a net and opens fire on something that is not worth knocking. Calls a diamond a spade, too. But the problem with #1 above is that many readers catch the personal junk and probably miss the substance of his critiques. Some of these opinions have been extremely valuable. I've agreed that the product and community would be stronger if some of the things he has targeted were better explained and justified.

This thread is a case in point, since Tonyk was right to post it. Look, Bytemaster's brilliance and passion is the reason we're all here. Yet Tony's poll elicited community opinions that strongly coalesced around two very similar poll choices. And then BM came out and frankly admitted that he's prone to getting a project 80% of the way there and then becoming sidetracked; that was what most readers had concluded as well. I may have been an asshole to post in the other thread (about constrictive laws) that I'd rather he focus on getting the product ready. Ideally, I'd like to show nothing but respect and deference for this grand design and the man who has brought us to this point, but instead I come off as the moneygrubber who is in this to tentuple his 'donation.'

But I don't regret that post, or the previous times I've said something similar ('keep your eyes on the ball, please'), because other times we've came close to something, BM basically scrapped everything and started again, alienated many users (including the sizable group of Chinese supporters), and started going off on those harmful blog posts that dug a public relations hole we're still trying to climb out of. (As with some of Tonyk's posts, I actually agreed with most of the substance of what BM wrote in those posts, but...if he hadn't written them, we'd encounter a lot more minds in the crypto community that are still open to BitShares.)

Be libertarian. Be free. Be proud. Care that your project achieves much more than financial enrichment. But for those of us who have poured our money and faith into this project, please give us the product. And then share your vision with the world.

If we can't have free speech on this forum, then what kind of decentralized project and community is this? I credit Tonyk for having the balls to step up, speak his mind, and make some valid substantive critiques. He's made the product stronger, he's made some of you have to work harder and do a better job of what you do, and he's probably given many of you a thicker skin, which in the long run will serve us all well.

 I just wish he had some more positive things to say once in a while, because there's a lot to like here also. Rather than tearing things down, let's look at how to make them better.
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not only a week goes by...and our great leader decides he will discover what is wrong with this world...by a forum post...

Great focus...while his product is a giant pile of...and the right thing is definitly to find what is wrong elsewhere while thing here are heading...no where.

[clapping  from the background]

@tonyk I can't figure you out. If I had to guess, I'd say you are young. You are abrasive and on the verge of being a bully. Maybe I'm totally off base and you are sarcastic. You clearly believe that you have been wronged. BM is clearly young and introverted and it sounds like you've backed him into a corner on more than one occasion, triggering him to lash out at you.

You guys throw blows but you aren't accomplishing anything meaningful or productive except to stroke your ego or defend a bruised one as far as I can tell.

Progress comes in small steps, identifying the most egregious faults and slowly chipping away at them, methodically. So, let's all try chipping away at things.


Some big items include:

Improving the deposit process
Make it easy for friends to send other friends bitUSD/bitCNY and for that same wallet to allow for easy conversion to BTS for people who want to speculate a bit in the underlying asset.

Life is too short guys. Let's be productive and make a badass Distributed Exchange.
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Biggest obstacle: BTS still doesnt provide the same experience as a centralized exchange like Poloniex.

The gui doesnt look as polished as Polo, for example they make it really easy to see markets with the highest volume. They have a trollbox etc.

Markets with highest volume is a good point. Also coinmarketcap styled sparkline to show past week trend.
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... a funny example of the social phenomenon where the one that asks the question (more drastically with polls where answers are predefined) maps out (the possible) reality  :D

tony, all your writings, in a very subtle way, here are either about yourself (as a victim, as the one that forsees all the bad things, or other things that distinguish you from the rest) or about yourself controling others (telling others what they are).  ::)
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Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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not only a week goes by...and our great leader decides he will discover what is wrong with this world...by a forum post...

Great focus...while his product is a giant pile of...and the right thing is definitly to find what is wrong elsewhere while thing here are heading...no where.

[clapping  from the background]

Tony, believe it or not I have a life and interests that are broader than whatever narrow hole you think I should live in.  I am allowed to do things "for fun" and for "mental stimulation".   If you had your way I would burn out and then where would this giant pile of.... be? 

You waste more of my time with your pointless and self defeating attitude.

I do not think you can afford it... while being 18 mo. behind the curve.... you missed the time of being ahead...somewhere when you decided TITAN should be great... and went ahead and implemented it.

bytemaster, It is all well and good, as long as the people willing to take the extra risk of going short for the extra profit (*1), as opposed to simply staying long BTS X, will equal the demand for bitUSD by people preferring bitUSD to USD. It might be the case, but if one envision huge interest in bitUSD this might not be true at all.
In other words relying on enough risk tolerant players to essentially ‘print’ all the bitUSD needed/required by everyone seeing the benefit of using bitUSD (instead of USD) is something I am not totally comfortable with…



PS
You are smart enough to know that since one week after 13th, you have been running in circles....riding square wheels.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2015, 09:00:15 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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I watched "tomorrowland" last week . it is a such a good movie .you can watch it if you have time

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1964418/

ppl use different angels to observe this world so have different results

#btstip “tonyk”  100 OPENSESAME
 

not only a week goes by...and our great leader decides he will discover what is wrong with this world...by a forum post...

Great focus...while his product is a giant pile of...and the right thing is definitly to find what is wrong elsewhere while thing here are heading...no where.

[clapping  from the background]
witness:

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not only a week goes by...and our great leader decides he will discover what is wrong with this world...by a forum post...

Great focus...while his product is a giant pile of...and the right thing is definitly to find what is wrong elsewhere while thing here are heading...no where.

[clapping  from the background]

Tony, believe it or not I have a life and interests that are broader than whatever narrow hole you think I should live in.  I am allowed to do things "for fun" and for "mental stimulation".   If you had your way I would burn out and then where would this giant pile of.... be? 

You waste more of my time with your pointless and self defeating attitude.
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My personality type is INTJ

INFJ here ... so I'm a 1%'r:P

me too. http://www.16personalities.com/profiles/5655074c21f08

now to figure out how to use that information to my benefit...

So I'm not alone, great   :)

Honestly I'm not surprised to find a high density of INTJs, INFJs etc. on this forum.

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not only a week goes by...and our great leader decides he will discover what is wrong with this world...by a forum post...

Great focus...while his product is a giant pile of...and the right thing is definitly to find what is wrong elsewhere while thing here are heading...no where.

[clapping  from the background]
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Nobody is perfect, not even you. Just for exercise please complete this sentence:
 If I allowed everything to be ok just the way it is 5% more…what would you do?

ask to be able to improve it another 5% more, of course.
(or 0.25% more if those test are any good at math, which I doubt and I hope they let that answer slide.)
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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I am following this forum from the end 2013. This community come along many crises like this and hypes like before realize of 2.0. People are now pised of and that’s for a good reason.

But I would like to tell something to BM. Mayer’s-Brigs personality tip model is only a model that tries to explain certain aspects of personality. It is most known and the most popular personality tip model. There are also other models. Nobody fits the model tip 100% accurate. They leave certain gaps and produce certain mismatches. That is why there are so many of them. It is like the map. And the map is not a territory.

According to one other model called Enneagram which has 9 tips and according to that model I would say you are 1st tip Reformer, Perfectionist. There are certain places they go under intimacy and some other under stress which could explain some of Bitshares development thru time but that is not a point.

Nobody is perfect, not even you. Just for exercise please complete this sentence:
 If I allowed everything to be ok just the way it is 5% more…what would you do?
« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 12:31:58 am by Geneko »

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Tony, you certaintly have a way with words.  Thank you for this poll, it is missing just one option:  "CmdrTaco hasn't adopted BTS yet".

Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.

BM, It's a good sign that you are self-aware of your strengths and weaknesses.  I think you are good to be partnered with people that can help you with the business/marketing side of things.  You need innovative business entrepreneur type(s) who can help to channel your skills. A plus if they have cash to invest.   :)

Hang in there!!  A lot of progress has been made...It's great to be able to use the wallet and have some gateways/bridges and partners.  Sometimes it seems like it's 3 steps forward and 2 back...but we're still moving forward!!

I admire you.

p.s. Not paid a cent (nor a BTS or brownie either) for that. LOL
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Tony, you certaintly have a way with words.  Thank you for this poll, it is missing just one option:  "CmdrTaco hasn't adopted BTS yet".

Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.

Okay am going to step in and speak. Am usually a lurker and its largely Kuro that has been doing the talks in this community (and I thank him for that).
What am about to say is in view of someone that stepped into freebieservers when it was small, made maybe a few wrong decisions in terms of fund raising and stuck with it for around 19 months now. Before this, I was previous involved in a start-up that did raise sufficient venture capital to capture major market share (again within crypto) - but am not going to speak much about it.

Firstly, and foremost, from my experience at freebieservers : any business has one function at the end of the day, to make money.
The rules of the game are pretty simple : You enter the arena, show what you have, raise if needed, then begin making money.
Loans, equity shares, debentures, side hustles, take what it may need, you simply don't run out of money.

Between my experience at FS and the previous start-up, there was one simple difference.
FS made me cash, the other didn't. And there was a simple reason behind this.
We gave fuck about our customers.

If I were to analyze my chats with kuro112- it'd probably be a 20 percent cut into personal affairs, 30 percent on future products, and 50 percent on why we should build the things we do. As a biz dev, I come up with fucked up ideas from all over the god damn place, but unless it makes sense to the end  consumer, in most cases we don't ship it. This is evident in how we market ourselves. Except for one case where I accidentally spent a bit on FB marketing , at no point have we spent on cash as such. Since am usually on the forefront of marketing I know what this actually means : users. We went from obscure to "something" - because  we had a produc that solved a problem really well and did it right. I recall months of planning where we put our servers, how we administer them and why we should source them from the places we do to ensure the end users get the best experience. You might be wondering..why am stating this.

You see the line about BM being that smart kid that couldn't focus in school yet was the smartest kid ?
I've been that kid. I've failed a year in school being exactly that kid. When I read that line, all I could do and see what I have done right and wrong with our businesses in the past year and it all boils down to one thing : we (try to) serve our customers with a simple solution and do it absolutely well.

We have a large number of projects still pending, and we have a long list of tings we want to do, but we take them on  one step at a time and sure we fail, sure we have days we starve if I don't close enough sales deals and then there are times the servers are about to go down and kuro has to ring up our partners and beg for time.. but that's what the hutle is about. Its about enduring and evolving .


We are at the forefront of a financial revolution. As hard as it may be for us to comprehend at the moment, we are changing the world in one tiny fashion at the time. From what I have noticed, the size of the problems we are solving is way too big and the number of talented individuals that can actually take the financial and intellectual risks and change things are way too low. BM keeps being all over the place because as an individual he is bound to engage in activities that creates profits for himself and the ones that are engaged with him. I mean, look at Satoshi. One could say he was "experimenting' , but doesn't he hold 350 million dollars worth of Bitcoin as of today ? (open to debate). My point being, its natural that we tend to look out for ourselves and the licensing, VC front and setting up of CNX are all a step in that direction.

So how do we evolve ? well, look at big brother Bitcoin. How did Bitcoin evolve?
The way I see it, they grew to what they are by creating user cases. Be it silk road or gyft, Bitcoin had and continues to evolve in terms of usability. Now look at Bitshares. Do we have that here ? Dont throw Muse and Play at my face because I don't see what they are doing. Actually, I reached out to play and asked for a collaboration for weeks and saw nothing. There's FMV and I know they are upto stuff as I've been following them. My point being, unless we create usability, noone's going to give a fuck and this usability doesn't have to come from banks or financial services. They can be gamers, social media sites, your grandma, anyone. What BM is doing is the right thing with open sourcing the platform and stepping aside. He's laid the foundation for what we should evolve into and am sure there are problems that each one of us tackle. For me, its financial inclusion and remittance (on the long run) and gaming. For someone else it could be identity and smart contracts. Its upto us to grow this thing.

Communities like ours are a case study on global collaboration on solving a problem. We are bound to fail. We are bound to make mistakes, but it is things like these that lead us to the future.

If we want this to succeed we need to empower entrepreneurs and builders to do what they do, either with a great product of with funding. Support could also be in terms of product tests - like what you've been doing with us on the sharebot  and as this slowly evolves and attracts moer eyes...we'll finally see that shore of scale and prfitability.

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BM, whatever you do, please do not ever stop being yourself. BitShares is becoming many things to many different people which is fantastic. For me, as my user handle says, the exploration of the potential for  innovation and integrity are what fascinate me. From the very beginning it was you and Stan that provided the heart and soul for that vision.....one which I hope will echo through eternity.

I appreciate all the honesty here.

Not surprised to hear you are INTJ Bytemaster, not in the least. ;)
Of course I'm ENFP, surprising no one. http://www.16personalities.com/enfp-personality
I've always liked the meyers briggs test, and the enneagram is very insightful as well.

What can we do better in BTS land?  Lots of words starting with 'C'
Communicate, coordinate, collaborate, being the first three which spring to mind.  We're actually pretty good at these things already, relatively speaking, but here at the bleeding edge, we will have to do better.  I'm sure we can.

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BM, whatever you do, please do not ever stop being yourself. BitShares is becoming many things to many different people which is fantastic. For me, as my user handle says, the exploration of the potential for  innovation and integrity are what fascinate me. From the very beginning it was you and Stan that provided the heart and soul for that vision.....one which I hope will echo through eternity.

It is quite incredible that your thoughts can be on the bleeding edge and yet remain steadfast in accomplishing even 50%. What we have learned is that the innovation must be seperated from the live product in such a way that stability and usability is maximised. The implications of innovation need to be thoroughly tested before release. That does not mean the transition from R&D needs to be slow.....but it has to work and provide a compelling case for BTS holders to vote into production. Meanwhile, those who have the skills to finish and polish what is already live are not being held back by too frequent or too rapid a change cycle. That being said, there may well be times that important innovation must be rapidly brought to production, but hopefully we'll have much more in a stable state and all the people in all the right places to manage such a transition more effectively.

BitShares is the dog's bollocks (means really really awesome down our way.) Let's all make sure it's still here in a thousand years. Even if it takes that long to get it right  ;D
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well, we saw a lot of actual improvements, ideas of improvements, and admittance of weaknesses today.

I do not think it is due to this poll, (but just a coincidence) ,as much as I would like to believe otherwise.

Anyway I will be closing the poll for now [just keeping the option to reopen it if the changes I saw today reverse back to the worse].


The thread itself has its own side threads interesting for some. [I find the personality type sub thread interesting, myself] - so basically I am changing the name, closing the poll and leaving the thread.

« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 02:45:44 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts... I agree BitShares needs to become bigger than CNX. This can only happen with more outside developers, and that can only happen with your help. We're very lucky to have a dev team that's helped us get so FAR so FAST. But IMO, the only way to maintain this momentum is to now help get BTS in the hands of outside devs... only then will you start to see the fruits of your labor multiply.

Here are some thoughts, speaking as a hypothetical app developer:
 - BitShares does MANY things, and it does NOT need to be the best exchange.
 - The built-in exchange is QUITE USEFUL for users of my app, but NOT critical (unless I need MPAs).
 - The BOND market is low priority... it's an end product, useless to outside devs.
 - Developers choose BitShares because of DPOS (efficiency & flexibility), network effect, MPAs, and a nice GUI wallet (which can also be customized for any app).

So finishing up any missing functionality/API, should be the primary focus. Making things easier for developers (especially the GUI devs!!) and market markers NOW, will pay dividends later, while you're working on Bond markets, PlasmaOS, or what have you.

Another way to look at it:
What are the easiest tweaks/features we can implement/finish that will let us start poaching Ethereum devs, ASAP?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 12:32:36 am by roadscape »
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Tony, you certaintly have a way with words.  Thank you for this poll, it is missing just one option:  "CmdrTaco hasn't adopted BTS yet".

Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.

I do not dare say I am INTJ type, but at least I share the characteristic described below:

"For example, INTJs are simultaneously the most starry-eyed idealists and the bitterest of cynics, a seemingly impossible conflict. But this is because INTJ types tend to believe that with effort, intelligence and consideration, nothing is impossible, while at the same time they believe that people are too lazy, short-sighted or self-serving to actually achieve those fantastic results. Yet that cynical view of reality is unlikely to stop an interested INTJ from achieving a result they believe to be relevant."

Rules, limitations and traditions are anathema to the INTJ personality type – everything should be open to questioning and reevaluation, and if they see a way, INTJs will often act unilaterally to enact their technically superior, sometimes insensitive, and almost always unorthodox methods and ideas.

PS[edit]
For those who care..it turned out I have INTP Personality  - http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

Hi tonyk, I understand you better now. I am http://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality


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Im not sure that i agree with any of the options listed really, at least not the way they're written.

I think that BM has proven himself to have developed and solved some of the biggest issues out there in crypto and he deserves an enormous amount of credit for that. The project is never going to be finished as new feature are always going to come and go as things change.

The problem i think we have is not being quite 'finished' in terms of usability. I'm going to put a poll out somewhere for crypto users and see what the general public's perception is of 2.0.

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Tony, you certaintly have a way with words.  Thank you for this poll, it is missing just one option:  "CmdrTaco hasn't adopted BTS yet".

Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.

I do not dare say I am INTJ type, but at least I share the characteristic described below:

"For example, INTJs are simultaneously the most starry-eyed idealists and the bitterest of cynics, a seemingly impossible conflict. But this is because INTJ types tend to believe that with effort, intelligence and consideration, nothing is impossible, while at the same time they believe that people are too lazy, short-sighted or self-serving to actually achieve those fantastic results. Yet that cynical view of reality is unlikely to stop an interested INTJ from achieving a result they believe to be relevant."

Rules, limitations and traditions are anathema to the INTJ personality type – everything should be open to questioning and reevaluation, and if they see a way, INTJs will often act unilaterally to enact their technically superior, sometimes insensitive, and almost always unorthodox methods and ideas.

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For those who care..it turned out I have INTP Personality  - http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality
« Last Edit: November 23, 2015, 10:28:53 pm by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Tony, you certaintly have a way with words.  Thank you for this poll, it is missing just one option:  "CmdrTaco hasn't adopted BTS yet".

Getting to 80% is my strength, finishing the last 20% is my weakness and has long been the case even before BitShares. BitShares is the single project I have stuck with the longest in my life and which has actually reached a usable product in the hands of thousands of users.   

Everyone wants us to focus on "ONE THING" and I largely agree with that. It had better be the right "ONE THING" though or we are dead. 

My personality type is INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) and I am constantly challening my beliefs and understanding to make things better. I have a very hard time working toward a sub-optimal solution and what is optimal is constantly changing as knowledge increases.  I am smart enough to recognize the value of focusing on one thing as well as the futility of pursuing something to completion that will be outdated by the time it gets there.

I would say that to put my skills to their best use, I should solve problems, prove the concept, and hand it off to people that are good at taking it all the way. 

Anyway, BitShares is a lifelong project that will evolve in the direction this community takes it. It must become bigger than CNX and bigger than me.

That is why we are moving toward open sourcing everything.  Once we open source it, we can continue to improve / develop it together. I have long term plans for it, but obviously need to blend it with short terms needs.

At the end of the day, complaining about others is the least effective means of change. Either do something to help, shut up, or leave.  CNX will do everything we can to avoid being the bottleneck to progress and give the community room to do what is necessary.
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I voted for one of your options, but my best answer would be: the lack of fiat gateways or on/off-ramps. We are still dangerously reliant on Bitcoin, which really limits us to the crypto market until your grandmother can go "click, click, click" and buy through her bank account.

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Put this poll out there on Reddit, or elsewhere, and ask for some honest feedback from people. Let them tell us what they like and dislike about it.

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Biggest obstacle: BTS still doesnt provide the same experience as a centralized exchange like Poloniex.

The gui doesnt look as polished as Polo, for example they make it really easy to see markets with the highest volume. They have a trollbox etc.

Well we'll get there eventually, it's a matter of time
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Biggest obstacle: BTS still doesnt provide the same experience as a centralized exchange like Poloniex.

The gui doesnt look as polished as Polo, for example they make it really easy to see markets with the highest volume. They have a trollbox etc.

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CNX seems that hyperactive super smart kid that because it's too smart for school subjects, ends up loosing focus and messes things up when they have the potential to be the top student of the entire school.

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It's a brilliant kid indeed but it has to be rigorously managed by us - the community.
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 CNX - inability (or willingness) to deliver somewhat finished product ever...before jumping to the next..."better" idea..

This seems the problem to me, although Tuck could be funny more times too...

It seems they have so many ideas, that they sometimes get lost and not develop one to its full potential. I'm not saying the ideas are bad, I see them as one the best on the space, however there seems to be a lack of focus. If we got even 1 feature 100% working with no problems and could do that to the next one, people would slowly start to complain less and less and enjoy the product more. We need focus.

Sometimes CNX seems to have anxiety, always trying to build something new and on one side, that's awesome, I've always had the feel you guys were way ahead of the rest in terms of innovation and you continue to give me that impression. The only problem is you can't neglect the other features.

CNX seems that hyperactive super smart kid that because it's too smart for school subjects, ends up loosing focus and messes things up when they have the potential to be the top student of the entire school.

I love the ideas, love the innovation, but everything at due time. As long as you accomplish each task and feature implementation successfully, you will always have the time and support to implement the rest because you will only gain new costumers, fans and confidence. It's just a matter of focus it seems. Even with few manpower, as long as you keep focused and keep your cool, you will be able to achieve your goals.
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« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 08:03:15 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.