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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 12:54:35 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 12:12:16 pm »
In my opinion there is another major issue which is defining the goal of bitshares.
There are people out who see this project as an pure anti governmental project being 100% decentralised and not fullfilling any regulations and being anonymous (which is unrealistic and impossible in my opinion even with satelites,ships etc)

Then there is a second part of community (which i call a bit more realistic) who are seeing that the way bitshares is currently moving has no future because of future regulations and will do no good for BTS price.Some big players already focusing on their realistic vision instead of bitshares because of that reason.They also belive thats the reason bitshares has no big partnership company till today because it wouldn't pass regulations.

Third group are people who are leaving bitshares because beliving we lost momentum and that other decentralised assets are better (which in my opinion is a wrong opinion)

Fourth group are chinese which invested a lot into bitshares and i doubt chinese want to build an anti governmental project but are focusing on a truely decentralised project which will pass regulations (Of course this is my personal opinion and it would be wise to ask chinese about their opinion) and are more profit oriented.
But since in china in 2020 will be citizen score officaly implemented and majority chinese are pro government i doubt they want this project to be an eyesore for their government.

There are a lot of people on bitshares with diffrent understanding and diffrent level of background knowledge which makes it hard to find a consense since something which is for somebody clear is being denied by somebody else because they act on diffrent experience.

WE MUST ENHANCE THE NETWORK POWER STRUCTURE TO ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF SELF-INTERESTS TO DEVALUE BTS.

Thanks for your feedback.

First of all there are no dumpers who are voting.There are people with diffrent kind of views how bitshares should proceed.
Biggest BTS holders are also the biggest supporters of BTS so the wording dumpers is invalid.

meh...truth is somewhere in the middle...there are large bts holders who try to manipulate the price to accumulate more etc.

Wouldn't go as far as saying that voting is controlled by dumpers but I too would feel more at ease if voting was weighed more towards people with long term views (e.g. timelocked/staked BTS)


Tell me a name of top 20 voting proxy who dumped his BTS ?
Reducing debt to lower risk is not dumping.
I know only a single one who sold a bigger amount of BTS (without debt) in exchange for bitUSD and will be a spokesperson in decentralized  representing a service which is already in the process pf  being replaced by central banks.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 11:21:09 am »
In my opinion there is another major issue which is defining the goal of bitshares.
There are people out who see this project as an pure anti governmental project being 100% decentralised and not fullfilling any regulations and being anonymous (which is unrealistic and impossible in my opinion even with satelites,ships etc)

Then there is a second part of community (which i call a bit more realistic) who are seeing that the way bitshares is currently moving has no future because of future regulations and will do no good for BTS price.Some big players already focusing on their realistic vision instead of bitshares because of that reason.They also belive thats the reason bitshares has no big partnership company till today because it wouldn't pass regulations.

Third group are people who are leaving bitshares because beliving we lost momentum and that other decentralised assets are better (which in my opinion is a wrong opinion)

Fourth group are chinese which invested a lot into bitshares and i doubt chinese want to build an anti governmental project but are focusing on a truely decentralised project which will pass regulations (Of course this is my personal opinion and it would be wise to ask chinese about their opinion) and are more profit oriented.
But since in china in 2020 will be citizen score officaly implemented and majority chinese are pro government i doubt they want this project to be an eyesore for their government.

There are a lot of people on bitshares with diffrent understanding and diffrent level of background knowledge which makes it hard to find a consense since something which is for somebody clear is being denied by somebody else because they act on diffrent experience.

WE MUST ENHANCE THE NETWORK POWER STRUCTURE TO ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF SELF-INTERESTS TO DEVALUE BTS.

Thanks for your feedback.

First of all there are no dumpers who are voting.There are people with diffrent kind of views how bitshares should proceed.
Biggest BTS holders are also the biggest supporters of BTS so the wording dumpers is invalid.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 11:16:27 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

I think with cost re-planned he means cost lowered for travel expanse.
I read that chinese say that $2000 per person travel expanse is to much.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 09:47:27 am »
In my opinion there is another major issue which is defining the goal of bitshares.
There are people out who see this project as an pure anti governmental project being 100% decentralised and not fullfilling any regulations and being anonymous (which is unrealistic and impossible in my opinion even with satelites,ships etc)

Then there is a second part of community (which i call a bit more realistic) who are seeing that the way bitshares is currently moving has no future because of future regulations and will do no good for BTS price.Some big players already focusing on their realistic vision instead of bitshares because of that reason.They also belive thats the reason bitshares has no big partnership company till today because it wouldn't pass regulations.

Third group are people who are leaving bitshares because beliving we lost momentum and that other decentralised assets are better (which in my opinion is a wrong opinion)

Fourth group are chinese which invested a lot into bitshares and i doubt chinese want to build an anti governmental project but are focusing on a truely decentralised project which will pass regulations (Of course this is my personal opinion and it would be wise to ask chinese about their opinion) and are more profit oriented.
But since in china in 2020 will be citizen score officaly implemented and majority chinese are pro government i doubt they want this project to be an eyesore for their government.

There are a lot of people on bitshares with diffrent understanding and diffrent level of background knowledge which makes it hard to find a consense since something which is for somebody clear is being denied by somebody else because they act on diffrent experience.

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Seems there is no clear answer for these basic questions so far. Some say this is decenralized anonimous trading platform for crypto enthusiats who believes in freedom, some say this is platform for business. Thes are totaly different business models and approaches, you can't serve both audiences properly at the same time.

Exectly and some give a f... if investors will lose all investments for ideolagy reason and some care about their investment

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Isn't the Marketing fee sharing income way higher than your base opertion cost $9100 (63k cny) ?
I asked before about the income of market fee sharing because i saw the same as abit did that you got bigger amounts of cny from the vesting balance of the market fee sharing which was over 120k cny in a single month which i guess were not planned in your calculation.There is no sign this income will dry out soon.

Personly i didn't vote for the worker of BTSPP because i think you already get a big unexpected income which doesn't justify anymore the need of over $300k usd from the reserve fund which i also consider a bit expensiv

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btspp-registrar transfer 80000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/30 07:19:42 39632804
btspp-registrar transfer 40000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/23 08:29:24 39433112
btspp-registrar transfer 5000 CNY to btspp-team 2019/07/16 02:52:57 39225329


1,关于我们的worker工作内容是为社区开发一款移动端产品,包含规划的功能或社区需求的功能开发。完成后并最终开源。开源的代码任何个人或者企业都可以自行使用或运营(目前已知CTS和GDEX皆有在使用部分或全部该代码)
2,现运营并提供苹果和安卓下载的比特股移动钱包(bts++)的运营成本和收入不包含在worker工作内容之内。
3,中国区域由于政策原因无法上架区域商店进行下载等原因我们将继续运营现有的产品。未来我们希望将比特股移动钱包放到官网、苹果、谷歌商店下载并采用社区水龙头。(需要BBF的协助和配合,目前正在推进中)
4,由于手续费返佣是在我们woker通过后新加入的功能,并在之后拥有收入所以我们将取消并退还原计划的9100美元的基础运营成本费用。
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1. About our worker work is to develop a mobile product for the community, including functional development of planned functions or community needs. After the completion and eventually open source. Open source code can be used or operated by any individual or business (currently both CTS and GDEX use some or all of this code)
2. The operating costs and income of BitShare Mobile Wallet (bts++), which is currently operating and providing Apple and Android downloads, are not included in the work of the worker.
3. We will continue to operate existing products due to reasons such as the inability to upload regional stores for download due to policy reasons. In the future, we hope to put the BitShare mobile wallet on the official website, Apple, Google Store and use the community faucet. (requires assistance and cooperation from BBF, currently under progress)
4. Since the marketing fee share is a new feature after we worker passes, and then has revenue, we will cancel and refund the planned base operating cost of $9,100.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP59:Reduce MCR of bitUSD to 1.5
« on: August 17, 2019, 09:30:44 am »
Poll has been voted active

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: cn-vote投票公示
« on: August 12, 2019, 03:04:05 pm »
怎么样decentralized partnership ?

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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on new OMO fund
« on: August 11, 2019, 10:27:44 am »
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While BTS price is underevaluated, borrow smartcoin and buy more BTS.
While BTS price is overevaluated, sell BTS to close the debt positions.

Could you define that please what exectly eans undervaluated and overevaluated ?

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General Discussion / Re: bad news for Binance,good news for BTS
« on: August 07, 2019, 10:22:20 am »
not possible to read if you have no account on weibo

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       worker的工资实在太吓人了。每天将近20万,两个月就是一千多万,以前交易量大还好说,现在大的交易所一天bts的交易量才几百万,内盘也才几百万,请问平均两个月砸一千万下去,bts能起来么?
      呼吁减少一点开支也根本没反应。
      那就折中一点,用资金池的bts抵押出bitcny或者bitusd,拿他们发工资可以么?即能增加抵押资产供给,又能减少对盘面的压制。理事会能不能站出来推动一下?
     

"OMO fund worker" 今晚正在上线

我还认为与主要资产上的bitcny进行大规模交易也会减少BTS的卖压,因为bitcny可以直接兑换成主要资产而不是在CEX上卖掉BTS用于USDT或BTC

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I also think a big exchange with bitcny on major assets would also decrease the sell pressure on BTS as bitcny could be directly exchanged into major assets instead selling BTS on CEX for USDT or BTC

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How much market fee sharing is that app getting on average per day ?



Is so much funding still needed if BTSSP-REGISTRAR has now an unexpected nice amount of income from market fee share?

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General Discussion / Re: Allow non-LTM accounts to be referrers?
« on: August 05, 2019, 10:51:19 am »
$100 isn't a lot to ask for LTM. If they can't do that, I doubt they have a legit stream of users to refer.

I don't know any webmaster who would pay for being able to advertise something.
Webmasters who needed to pay to be able to advertise something was in the 90's .

Who is going to waste $100 to to test if a refferal system is profitable or not ?
It's you who wants their traffic and not the other way round.

Remember traffic is KING ....always was so and always will be and if you don't fit their requirements they have plenty of other lucrative offers where they can send their traffic for profit.

Also somebody demanding to invest $100 to be able to test a refferal system is normally a scam and as such majority of webmasters are leaving it alone.


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General Discussion / Re: Allow non-LTM accounts to be referrers?
« on: August 02, 2019, 04:58:32 pm »
Am supporting it.Thats something i asked from the beginning.

Multi level provisionon refferes is already industry standard so there should be no legal problems.

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