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Just to add to your list : Facebook Bitshares likes 3310 vs Eteherum 2576. There was no official Bitsahres Facebook page when Brian came on board so good job there Brian !!! There are definitely improvements in the last month or so. Everything is moving in the right direction. This is good.
Most people come to BitShares via Bitcointalk. There are 6 threads that were created/bumped in the last few weeks. (Someone even tried putting a BitShares announcement in the main section but that was promptly removed.)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664146.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=679185.20 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687251.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675455.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596970.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678645 (Bitshares AGS crowd funding - less than *4* days until close)The countdown clock is running on the homepage and of course there's here - http://www1.agsexplorer.com/AGS has received over 5500 BTC and 400 000 PTS in donations and has been running over 190 days. So AGS has been probably both one of the most successful and longest running fund-raisers in crypto. The forum also has over 5000 members, which is more than MSC, XCP & Ethereum's combined. (Though I would say Ethereum has probably been more successful with overall marketing esp. on places like Reddit.) I agree marketing is weak but I have seen an improvement this last month. BitShares does have a steep learning curve & I agree that though not this year, going into 2015, AGS might take some criticism for being closed/illiquid. Edit: I also think there have been threads started on other forums to let people know about BitShares & AGS donations, but I don't visit them so I wouldn't know.
Quote from: wesphily on July 15, 2014, 11:44:19 pmSo as stated before, bitshares desperately needs to improve marketing. I don't know who heads this department up (if anybody) but, somebody definitely needs to own this issue and resolve it.brian@bitshares.org if you have specific suggestions. He's owning it but his background is outside of the crypto space which is why I think we'll do better when we're out of the "nerds only" phase
So as stated before, bitshares desperately needs to improve marketing. I don't know who heads this department up (if anybody) but, somebody definitely needs to own this issue and resolve it.
Marketing will need to improve for all of that to happen. Otherwise, people will not understand why they should even bother with pts when bts-x exists!? Also, I think time expectation of 1 month to double is optimistic. (hopefully I am wrong though!)Edit: I did not set out to discover that marketing was such a big problem with bitshares. What a strange conclusion.
Quote from: wesphily on July 15, 2014, 08:23:00 pmI definitely do not discredit the success of bitshares. Please do not hear me say that. When Stan said something about "an advantage for those that researched," it sparked all those questions. It is a curse I have. I'll assume he meant in general which I agree.So my final conclusion is that ags finale was not marketed well. This was not on purpose. It was just something that was done poorly. Things are being done to improve this but, nothing is being done that can resolve the immediate issue. (lack of people understanding what the last ags is for and that it is the last ags.) I would guess that it would be difficult to resolve this with so little time. Is this correct?Assuming the next month BitShares-PTS will double it's price it is a way better investment in future DACs compared with AGS on these prices...Why could it be a better investment?because:1.After AGS fundraising, the demand of BitShares-PTS will increase because it's the only method to participate in future DACs after 200 Days donation's end.2.It will upgraded to DPOS chain technology + TITAN etc.3.BitSharesX will launch, and it will be the best promotion for any "product" related to I34.DACs snapshots will be announced soon... so what do you expect to happen with PTS after such announcements?5.They are liquid!6.etc......
I definitely do not discredit the success of bitshares. Please do not hear me say that. When Stan said something about "an advantage for those that researched," it sparked all those questions. It is a curse I have. I'll assume he meant in general which I agree.So my final conclusion is that ags finale was not marketed well. This was not on purpose. It was just something that was done poorly. Things are being done to improve this but, nothing is being done that can resolve the immediate issue. (lack of people understanding what the last ags is for and that it is the last ags.) I would guess that it would be difficult to resolve this with so little time. Is this correct?
Well then it is as I thought? No huge push will be made to make all of this as public as possible? The idea is to give those who are willing to go searching an advantage? Nothing will be done to discredit "premine 2.0" type comments?I put question marks because I don't want you to think i'm attacking with statements or making up facts that may not be true.
Quote from: wesphily on July 15, 2014, 05:20:19 pmI am just trying to understand why something so huge has so little marketed. If the answer is that it was not marketed well then fine. If the answer is that it was on purpose to maximize profit of ags/pts then great caused i'm positioned that way.Our marketing blows, it's pretty simple. 2 weeks ago we got a task force put together after a "crisis management" meeting and they produced more educational content in 1 week than had been made the last few months. AGS donations picked up about 1.5x after that was done.Trust me, nobody is trying to depress AGS donations, the threat of it not being considered a legitimate/"fair" distribution is really bad.
I am just trying to understand why something so huge has so little marketed. If the answer is that it was not marketed well then fine. If the answer is that it was on purpose to maximize profit of ags/pts then great caused i'm positioned that way.
PTS had already been mining a while and AGS had been running nearly 60 days by the time of the snapshot. It raised a few thousand BTC so it was one of the most public, longest & successful allotments to date.This 'main product' you pretend they privately/quickly allotted themselves is pre-trading now on BTC38 & bter under the symbol 'BTSX' for circa 34000 BTC CAP! You can buy in now for less than what they were paying at the snapshot! Plus you haven't had to have your money tied up since Feb!?
My OP was not FUD. Not sure how you can welcome questions and then call them fud.
I am just trying to understand why something so huge has so little marketed. If the answer is that it was not marketed well then fine. If the answer is that it was on purpose to maximize profit of ags/pts then great caused i'm positioned that way.The main purpose of this thread was to figure out what the current count down was for. I have determined that it is for DACs that do not exist yet. Also, they are not actively being worked on due to the focus on being on bitshare x. Once that is done then the rest will follow. (if that is not right then feel free to change. I don't plan to argue)However, the thread then morphed because a million thoughts shot out of my head. I still don't know that 100% real answer (doubt anybody but the big wigs really do) but, that is ok. My OP question was answered as close to clear as I think we can get at this time.Finally, I realize that you guys are constantly getting attacked which makes it hard to determine when something is an attack and when it is not. I was not trying to attack. I just kept having thoughts to which I was hoping to get answers. The hard questions I have i'll keep to myself as I know I'd never get the true answer or, I'd never have a way of confirming the rtrue answer if it was given. (truth dac needed?)
Quote from: NewMine on July 15, 2014, 04:39:10 pmWith all that said, I ask why do you care? At this point, you get what you get here, and that is a lot of pumping from the regulars and then they gather pitchforks for any who speaks up or questions. See most recently super3's thread and then AdamBLevine's posts and CharlesHoskinson. I agree with your concerns outside of the AGS donation, because I could care less how many more people donate or not.This is misleading as to what goes on. Obviously there are fanboys. If you have the right stuff, you better have fanboys. Most people do not jump all over sincere questions. One of the biggest reasons I came here is because Dan *invites* questions. He wants to be challenged. I actually felt like I am being listened to. Even if Dan isn't the smartest guy, he is surrounding himself with really sharp guys and has a very open mind. No bullshit rule by committee, just a man who doesn't seem to have ego problems trying to find the best solution. This to me seems like a damn good recipe for success.As far as what CH and ABL have said, I would suggest you look at their critiques. CH was treated well until one person said something negative and he started to imply a threat to remove the support that he came here to initiate. That was one person out of a user base of 5k. I don't care to bring this up, because those threads are behind us and have no positive value going forward.Also, as an investor in AGS, you should care how many people donate. The more people who donated to AGS, the more authenticity it will have going forward. We're already starting to hear the "Wait, I didn't know anything about this." FUD. See this thread for example.
With all that said, I ask why do you care? At this point, you get what you get here, and that is a lot of pumping from the regulars and then they gather pitchforks for any who speaks up or questions. See most recently super3's thread and then AdamBLevine's posts and CharlesHoskinson. I agree with your concerns outside of the AGS donation, because I could care less how many more people donate or not.
I'm just trying to understand why this isn't being blown up like the fourth of july. It is easy to see in the markets that people truly don't understand what will happen. The alternative is that they do understand but, nobody believes in bitshares. It is hard for me to believe that nobody believes in bitshares due to the sheer knowledge/expertise that the developers bring. So, my guess is that they don't understand and/or don't know. I then have to wonder why that is.Were there radio shows, news articles online, news paper articles, etc..? If not then it was marketed well.
Quote from: friendsofbitshares on July 15, 2014, 03:23:37 pmQuote from: wesphily on July 15, 2014, 03:04:13 pmQuote from: toast on July 15, 2014, 02:58:48 pmThe countdown is to the end of AGS donations, not to a snapshot.So for which DAC is the "snapshot"? For every future DAC that honors AGS.Some in the pipeline include the DNS DAC, the lotto DAC, the voting DAC.Yup. So AGS donars are banking on people not understanding this so that they get the best bang for their buck on ags and, their pts holdings increase when people find out it is too late for ags. (directly or indirectly) EDIT: Makes better sense why people wouldn't want to blast out hard about the end of ags.We've been blastin' out hard for the final 2 weeks. Everyone who has been longer had as much time as they needed to donate at the best rates. Hmmmm. I would expect to see more active posts about something this important. I would expect to be able to google "Bitshares End of AGS" and return hits from all crypto websites. Of course, I fail at google so it is entirely possible that it is all there and I am just missing it.
Quote from: wesphily on July 15, 2014, 03:04:13 pmQuote from: toast on July 15, 2014, 02:58:48 pmThe countdown is to the end of AGS donations, not to a snapshot.So for which DAC is the "snapshot"? For every future DAC that honors AGS.Some in the pipeline include the DNS DAC, the lotto DAC, the voting DAC.Yup. So AGS donars are banking on people not understanding this so that they get the best bang for their buck on ags and, their pts holdings increase when people find out it is too late for ags. (directly or indirectly) EDIT: Makes better sense why people wouldn't want to blast out hard about the end of ags.We've been blastin' out hard for the final 2 weeks. Everyone who has been longer had as much time as they needed to donate at the best rates.
Quote from: toast on July 15, 2014, 02:58:48 pmThe countdown is to the end of AGS donations, not to a snapshot.So for which DAC is the "snapshot"? For every future DAC that honors AGS.Some in the pipeline include the DNS DAC, the lotto DAC, the voting DAC.Yup. So AGS donars are banking on people not understanding this so that they get the best bang for their buck on ags and, their pts holdings increase when people find out it is too late for ags. (directly or indirectly) EDIT: Makes better sense why people wouldn't want to blast out hard about the end of ags.
The countdown is to the end of AGS donations, not to a snapshot.So for which DAC is the "snapshot"? For every future DAC that honors AGS.Some in the pipeline include the DNS DAC, the lotto DAC, the voting DAC.
"This is your last chance!"
I have been checking the donations nearly everyday since I discovered bitshares around March 2nd...this feels like a monumentally important week to get information out there for donations. "This is your last chance!"
"Time's up. Had your chance. Muffed it."-- Lord Scrumptious, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, 1968
Once Day 200 arrives this week, the state of the donation chains on that day will be used for all other DACs. So we are counting down to the mega default Snapshot at the End of Time...The Mayan's can't touch this!Quote from: Stan on June 22, 2014, 09:30:07 pm...As far as AGS donors are concerned, Day 200 might as well be... The Snapshot at The End of Timefor every remaining BitShares DAC that will ever be released. Since nothing about AGS will change after that. Day 200 is the terminal AGS snapshot - regardless of when subsequent DAC PTS snapshots may be announced.
...As far as AGS donors are concerned, Day 200 might as well be... The Snapshot at The End of Timefor every remaining BitShares DAC that will ever be released. Since nothing about AGS will change after that. Day 200 is the terminal AGS snapshot - regardless of when subsequent DAC PTS snapshots may be announced.
For what? If a person donates AGS then what do they get a share of?