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Quote from: jabbajabba on January 14, 2014, 06:06:37 pmQuote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 06:00:50 pmQuote from: delulo on January 14, 2014, 05:54:02 pmQuote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 03:13:26 pmQuote from: barwizi on January 14, 2014, 01:25:58 pmlol, desperation.this emotional thread so transparent to understand, i think its not about Invictus or Bts project only, its about current cryptoindustry in whole, many analysts alarmists think that in near 2-6 months S&P500 going to collapse very deeply. I mean it would be as bad as in 2008. That prediction is influence negatively sentiment to BTC/USD rate.BTC rate/sentiment affect whole cryptos, because altcoins are derivatives of bitcoins.I think that in near term (1-12 months) prices to all cryptocurrencies awaits down trend, even with superb marketing like in nxt proj.So...its good year for investmentsimho my 2 cents how should a stock market crash effect crypto currencies in a negative way??idk, its tendency, it was like that in 2008 USD index skyrocketed in to airlol if this happens and u have 1 BTC u can buy like 3 houses but beware the gold holders ..they will try to crack your head open with their heavy gold bars to find your brain wallet it depends on market situation, nobody know how people will react during stock market decline, thats all i know.
Quote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 06:00:50 pmQuote from: delulo on January 14, 2014, 05:54:02 pmQuote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 03:13:26 pmQuote from: barwizi on January 14, 2014, 01:25:58 pmlol, desperation.this emotional thread so transparent to understand, i think its not about Invictus or Bts project only, its about current cryptoindustry in whole, many analysts alarmists think that in near 2-6 months S&P500 going to collapse very deeply. I mean it would be as bad as in 2008. That prediction is influence negatively sentiment to BTC/USD rate.BTC rate/sentiment affect whole cryptos, because altcoins are derivatives of bitcoins.I think that in near term (1-12 months) prices to all cryptocurrencies awaits down trend, even with superb marketing like in nxt proj.So...its good year for investmentsimho my 2 cents how should a stock market crash effect crypto currencies in a negative way??idk, its tendency, it was like that in 2008 USD index skyrocketed in to airlol if this happens and u have 1 BTC u can buy like 3 houses but beware the gold holders ..they will try to crack your head open with their heavy gold bars to find your brain wallet
Quote from: delulo on January 14, 2014, 05:54:02 pmQuote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 03:13:26 pmQuote from: barwizi on January 14, 2014, 01:25:58 pmlol, desperation.this emotional thread so transparent to understand, i think its not about Invictus or Bts project only, its about current cryptoindustry in whole, many analysts alarmists think that in near 2-6 months S&P500 going to collapse very deeply. I mean it would be as bad as in 2008. That prediction is influence negatively sentiment to BTC/USD rate.BTC rate/sentiment affect whole cryptos, because altcoins are derivatives of bitcoins.I think that in near term (1-12 months) prices to all cryptocurrencies awaits down trend, even with superb marketing like in nxt proj.So...its good year for investmentsimho my 2 cents how should a stock market crash effect crypto currencies in a negative way??idk, its tendency, it was like that in 2008 USD index skyrocketed in to air
Quote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 03:13:26 pmQuote from: barwizi on January 14, 2014, 01:25:58 pmlol, desperation.this emotional thread so transparent to understand, i think its not about Invictus or Bts project only, its about current cryptoindustry in whole, many analysts alarmists think that in near 2-6 months S&P500 going to collapse very deeply. I mean it would be as bad as in 2008. That prediction is influence negatively sentiment to BTC/USD rate.BTC rate/sentiment affect whole cryptos, because altcoins are derivatives of bitcoins.I think that in near term (1-12 months) prices to all cryptocurrencies awaits down trend, even with superb marketing like in nxt proj.So...its good year for investmentsimho my 2 cents how should a stock market crash effect crypto currencies in a negative way??
Quote from: barwizi on January 14, 2014, 01:25:58 pmlol, desperation.this emotional thread so transparent to understand, i think its not about Invictus or Bts project only, its about current cryptoindustry in whole, many analysts alarmists think that in near 2-6 months S&P500 going to collapse very deeply. I mean it would be as bad as in 2008. That prediction is influence negatively sentiment to BTC/USD rate.BTC rate/sentiment affect whole cryptos, because altcoins are derivatives of bitcoins.I think that in near term (1-12 months) prices to all cryptocurrencies awaits down trend, even with superb marketing like in nxt proj.So...its good year for investmentsimho my 2 cents
lol, desperation.
hmm... for some reason this bottom line does not feel fine when reading...a) giving examples for "amzing things" would really increase trustb) if i were you i wouldnt bet my entire life and future on a startup of any kind... i know that this line is probably not said all that seriously, but theres probably still a bit of truth in itc) your bet as a developer and the one on the receiving side of the fundings is definately a different one than on the investment side giving away money
Just so you know1. There is no public ledger over how funds are being spent. I saw Brian gets 100 pts a week for working with Invictus? Last I checked no start-up founder gets close to 10k a month in salary unless he's running a bloated company thats headed to a crash
I invested 4 days with my entire team (I run a start-up too) , setting up 1000's of servers (close to 4000 for those wondering) and burned around 40000 dollars (not to mention time wasted doing this while I could focus on my start-up instead), and mined a seizable amount of coins. Sure I could dump my coins in mid December when coin prices were at a high. But no! I believed in what you guys were doing and stuck around as any reasonable investor would. I looked forward to keyhotee and bitshares and spoke about it to people. As a matter of fact I have also been working on partnerships with different networks for acquiring massive mining hardware, servers and was looking forward to investing another 100,000 in mining operations.
Bottom line is that what you see on the forum is the tip of the iceberg of amazing things going on. We are betting our entire life and future on these things so I can assure you we care very much about PTS, AGS, BitShares, Keyhotee, etc.
Carefull not everybody appreciates that As for the rest I thing the bytemaster answer should cover every concerned raised. thank. you.
Quote from: bytemaster on January 14, 2014, 06:37:58 pmQuote from: oco101 on January 14, 2014, 06:25:28 pmPriority : 1.Keyhotee2.Website3.Bitshares4. MarketingWe have adopted parallel and independent development tracts so Keyhotee will be developed at whatever pace Dan Notestein and team can manage.Website is being working on in Parallel and Super3 is providing full time effort competing for the bounty. BitShares is being worked on in Parallel by ME 75% of the time and daily updates are being posted with a goal toward MVP.Marketing is being worked on in Parallel by Brian full time and based upon what I have seen him produce internally you will be impressed.Recruitment and partnership development is being managed by others.Bounties will soon be managed by a new hire who will take on the roll of system integrator.I have given each individual autonomy so that I do not become the bottleneck. Until 12 days ago we couldn't even consider hiring anyone more, but with this boost in funding things will really start moving. We are allocating a budget of 10% AGS funding to marketing as this is the industry average and Brian is actively working many angles to make most effective use of that.Most of our marketing push has been held back by website update delays, but those delays will not last much longer. Bottom line is that what you see on the forum is the tip of the iceberg of amazing things going on. We are betting our entire life and future on these things so I can assure you we care very much about PTS, AGS, BitShares, Keyhotee, etc. CheersI like how you engage in the forums. If some of the other team members did so too that would be a fun update for us.
Quote from: oco101 on January 14, 2014, 06:25:28 pmPriority : 1.Keyhotee2.Website3.Bitshares4. MarketingWe have adopted parallel and independent development tracts so Keyhotee will be developed at whatever pace Dan Notestein and team can manage.Website is being working on in Parallel and Super3 is providing full time effort competing for the bounty. BitShares is being worked on in Parallel by ME 75% of the time and daily updates are being posted with a goal toward MVP.Marketing is being worked on in Parallel by Brian full time and based upon what I have seen him produce internally you will be impressed.Recruitment and partnership development is being managed by others.Bounties will soon be managed by a new hire who will take on the roll of system integrator.I have given each individual autonomy so that I do not become the bottleneck. Until 12 days ago we couldn't even consider hiring anyone more, but with this boost in funding things will really start moving. We are allocating a budget of 10% AGS funding to marketing as this is the industry average and Brian is actively working many angles to make most effective use of that.Most of our marketing push has been held back by website update delays, but those delays will not last much longer. Bottom line is that what you see on the forum is the tip of the iceberg of amazing things going on. We are betting our entire life and future on these things so I can assure you we care very much about PTS, AGS, BitShares, Keyhotee, etc.
Priority : 1.Keyhotee2.Website3.Bitshares4. Marketing
So let see : -3I it is a 2 month old company,and in those two months they manage to crowdfound more than a million dollar and they will have more then 2 millions by the end of the third month . For that matter how's your start-up compare ? Or any start-up in this short time frame?-they have a full team working on Keyhotee around the clock and they delivered the first alpha version. Read the last newsletter, they explained why the delay for keyhotee, in fact they addressee all your concerns that you raise here.-finding new good developers, as you should know, is not easy, finding new developers familiar with cryptoworld is even harder. Bounties it is a way to find those rare developers and to attract that talent make those bounty worthwhile I remember when they announce that they have a team working around the clock for keyhotee, some complained that this is not the right approach and bounty should be the way to do it etc. Well, I guess they have them both now. But I guess this is not good enough either ....You make some good points tough : -I agree some of the bounties they are more efficient done by hiring professionals like for the website. In my opinion the website should be one of the top priorities right know, and should have been done by know. -Marketing until now not the best thing !!( but I have fate on Brian ) -"How about you leave the forum to your great batch of moderators and go ahead with things that actually require your attention?" I thing although bytemaster presence is essential on the forum, I think now there are enough people that could moderate and answer most parts. He already started doing that. -Most of you concerns are addressed in the forum, but not everybody has the time to look this is very true and this must be improved. The newsletter is not enough, some kind of global news once a week will clarify things for everybody. Yeah sure there are things that should and must be improved but let's be objective here. Blaming it the easiest thing to do.
Quote from: hasher on January 14, 2014, 06:21:01 pmQuote from: oco101 on January 14, 2014, 06:10:30 pmSo let see : -3I it is a 2 month old company,and in those two months they manage to crowdfound more than a million dollar and they will have more then 2 millions by the end of the third month . For that matter how's your start-up compare ? Or any start-up in this short time frame?-they have a full team working on Keyhotee around the clock and they delivered the first alpha version. Read the last newsletter, they explained why the delay for keyhotee, in fact they addressee all your concerns that you raise here.-finding new good developers, as you should know, is not easy, finding new developers familiar with cryptoworld is even harder. Bounties it is a way to find those rare developers and to attract that talent make those bounty worthwhile I remember when they announce that they have a team working around the clock for keyhotee, some complained that this is not the right approach and bounty should be the way to do it etc. Well, I guess they have them both now. But I guess this is not good enough either ....You make some good points tough : -I agree some of the bounties they are more efficient done by hiring professionals like for the website. In my opinion the website should be one of the top priorities right know, and should have been done by know. -Marketing until now not the best thing !!( but I have fate on Brian ) -"How about you leave the forum to your great batch of moderators and go ahead with things that actually require your attention?" I thing although bytemaster presence is essential on the forum, I think now there are enough people that could moderate and answer most parts. He already started doing that. -Most of you concerns are addressed in the forum, but not everybody has the time to look this is very true and this must be improved. The newsletter is not enough, some kind of global news once a week will clarify things for everybody. Yeah sure there are things that should and must be improved but let's be objective here. Blaming it the easiest thing to do.To tell truth, im not sure that load marketing campaign is good for Bts project on this stage. We would receive more funding, its good, but we already have enough investments flows, more important for now to develop exceptional product ,so that new people start to use Bts system from start.Priority : 1.Keyhotee2.Website3.Bitshares4. Marketing
Quote from: oco101 on January 14, 2014, 06:10:30 pmSo let see : -3I it is a 2 month old company,and in those two months they manage to crowdfound more than a million dollar and they will have more then 2 millions by the end of the third month . For that matter how's your start-up compare ? Or any start-up in this short time frame?-they have a full team working on Keyhotee around the clock and they delivered the first alpha version. Read the last newsletter, they explained why the delay for keyhotee, in fact they addressee all your concerns that you raise here.-finding new good developers, as you should know, is not easy, finding new developers familiar with cryptoworld is even harder. Bounties it is a way to find those rare developers and to attract that talent make those bounty worthwhile I remember when they announce that they have a team working around the clock for keyhotee, some complained that this is not the right approach and bounty should be the way to do it etc. Well, I guess they have them both now. But I guess this is not good enough either ....You make some good points tough : -I agree some of the bounties they are more efficient done by hiring professionals like for the website. In my opinion the website should be one of the top priorities right know, and should have been done by know. -Marketing until now not the best thing !!( but I have fate on Brian ) -"How about you leave the forum to your great batch of moderators and go ahead with things that actually require your attention?" I thing although bytemaster presence is essential on the forum, I think now there are enough people that could moderate and answer most parts. He already started doing that. -Most of you concerns are addressed in the forum, but not everybody has the time to look this is very true and this must be improved. The newsletter is not enough, some kind of global news once a week will clarify things for everybody. Yeah sure there are things that should and must be improved but let's be objective here. Blaming it the easiest thing to do.To tell truth, im not sure that load marketing campaign is good for Bts project on this stage. We would receive more funding, its good, but we already have enough investments flows, more important for now to develop exceptional product ,so that new people start to use Bts system from start.
Quote from: xeroc on January 14, 2014, 12:12:13 pmQuote from: ppcholder on January 14, 2014, 11:54:02 am哥们是中国人吧 行文完全是同胞风格;赞! 需要快马加鞭让他们做事When quoting english .. could you please also reply in english.. thxI think the man starting the thread is a chinese guy!I fully support this man! we should spur those 3i guys to push forward the projects! with a serious team!
Quote from: ppcholder on January 14, 2014, 11:54:02 am哥们是中国人吧 行文完全是同胞风格;赞! 需要快马加鞭让他们做事When quoting english .. could you please also reply in english.. thx
哥们是中国人吧 行文完全是同胞风格;赞! 需要快马加鞭让他们做事
Quote from: sumantso on January 14, 2014, 10:35:20 amI agree on a couple of points.1> Marketing sucks. I have been involved with FTC and especially WDC from the beginning, and the marketing they did was amazing, especially considering it was done by volunteers. In contrast the marketing here is terrible; even more so when you consider that actual money is being paid. Its so bad that I actually thought this might be a deliberate ploy to keep the value down and grab some cheap PTS/AGS.2> PTS got the raw deal wrt AGS. I can understand why it would be so though, considering AGS is fully I3 profit while PTS is not. With the new license, 3rd party DACs which use the code (which they will unless they try to reinvent the wheel) will honour both AGS and PTS so there is good argument to change AGS to PTS. I guess PTS will end up as 1.2 PTS = 1 AGS.Would be nice if there were more updates. Bytemater is doing some good work which he can see in the Bitshare thread. If there is an weekly update which shows how much other stuff are being done that will be very nice.actually AGS is not for I3 profit, this was clearly stated. 0% goes to profit, all the money goes for angel investment in DACs which you will own part of if you buy AGS
I agree on a couple of points.1> Marketing sucks. I have been involved with FTC and especially WDC from the beginning, and the marketing they did was amazing, especially considering it was done by volunteers. In contrast the marketing here is terrible; even more so when you consider that actual money is being paid. Its so bad that I actually thought this might be a deliberate ploy to keep the value down and grab some cheap PTS/AGS.2> PTS got the raw deal wrt AGS. I can understand why it would be so though, considering AGS is fully I3 profit while PTS is not. With the new license, 3rd party DACs which use the code (which they will unless they try to reinvent the wheel) will honour both AGS and PTS so there is good argument to change AGS to PTS. I guess PTS will end up as 1.2 PTS = 1 AGS.Would be nice if there were more updates. Bytemater is doing some good work which he can see in the Bitshare thread. If there is an weekly update which shows how much other stuff are being done that will be very nice.
How about you get off the forum and start focusing solely on work for starters?How about you allocate a single hour to address users and use the rest for more productive work?How about we have a public ledger showing how funds are spent?How about we reconsider the bounty system? (I can personally assist in this)How about you leave the forum to your great batch of moderators and go ahead with things that actually require your attention?How about you set deadlines for marketing and development and work towards it?How about you hire more people instead of giving goddamn bounties?I sure want to see history being made, but the way you handle things now makes me wonder if you will end up BEING history instead of making it.
I invested 4 days with my entire team (I run a start-up too) , setting up 1000's of servers (close to 4000 for those wondering) and burned around 40000 dollars (not to mention time wasted doing this while I could focus on my start-up instead), and mined a seizable amount of coins.
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